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The Bible and wine

What do you think about Bible & Wine?

  • the Bible is in favour of wine

    Votes: 3 75.0%

  • the Bible is against wine

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • the Bible is more in favour than against wine

    Votes: 3 75.0%

  • the Bible is more against wine than in favour of wine

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • good Christians may enjoy wine

    Votes: 2 50.0%

  • good Christians should not drink wine - never ever!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
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It has been said that you can find support for any opinion in the Bible - and also for the opposite of it.
What do you think about Bible & Wine?
 
Christians who think they are "better people" for not drinking wine also think that they are even more Christian than Jesus Christ. :)
 
Rumpel said:
It has been said that you can find support for any opinion in the Bible - and also for the opposite of it.
What do you think about Bible & Wine?
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Your options doesn't include the phrase I was looking for. IN FAVOR OF WINE IN MODERATION.

Wine was used for medicinal purposes in ancient times.


1 Timothy 5:23
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.


Furthermore, how can wine be forbidden when Jesus had turned water into wine at a wedding celebration?
 
Rumpel said:
It has been said that you can find support for any opinion in the Bible - and also for the opposite of it.
What do you think about Bible & Wine?
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Wine good. Beer better. Whiskey best 😀
 
tosca1 said:
Furthermore, how can wine be forbidden when Jesus had turned water into wine at a wedding celebration?
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This has been my argument in favour of wine all along!
But some Christians say that Jesus turned water into grape juice.
I am not of that opinion.
 
To drink wine meant something different in ancient times than it does today. In ancient times, wine was heavily diluted with water. For example, when the Ancient Greeks talked about drinking wine they were talking about a standard dilution of 1 part wine to 4-6 (sometimes up to 20!) parts water. Drinking wine neat was considered barbaric by most ancient civilizations.
 
Napoleon said:
To drink wine meant something different in ancient times than it does today. In ancient times, wine was heavily diluted with water. For example, when the Ancient Greeks talked about drinking wine they were talking about a standard dilution of 1 part wine to 4-6 (sometimes up to 20!) parts water. Drinking wine neat was considered barbaric by most ancient civilizations.
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And - did you vote for anything?
 
Napoleon said:
To drink wine meant something different in ancient times than it does today. In ancient times, wine was heavily diluted with water. For example, when the Ancient Greeks talked about drinking wine they were talking about a standard dilution of 1 part wine to 4-6 (sometimes up to 20!) parts water. Drinking wine neat was considered barbaric by most ancient civilizations.
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Obviously, the wine was still intoxicating...remember the wedding feast...

"When the director of the feast tasted the water that had now been turned into wine, not knowing where it came from (although the servants who had drawn out the water knew), the director of the feast called the bridegroom and said to him: “Everyone else puts out the fine wine first, and when people are intoxicated, the inferior. You have saved the fine wine until now.” John 2:9,10
 
Elora said:
Obviously, the wine was still intoxicating...remember the wedding feast...

"When the director of the feast tasted the water that had now been turned into wine, not knowing where it came from (although the servants who had drawn out the water knew), the director of the feast called the bridegroom and said to him: “Everyone else puts out the fine wine first, and when people are intoxicated, the inferior. You have saved the fine wine until now.” John 2:9,10
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You’d have to drink a substantial amount of that swill to become intoxicated.
 
Rumpel said:
It has been said that you can find support for any opinion in the Bible - and also for the opposite of it.
What do you think about Bible & Wine?
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Wine is an interesting word study, if you have a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.

Just skimming the refrences, you get the idea, that the word is drunk by Isaiah and then in the New Testament it's getting drunk again.
 
Exquisitor said:
Wine is an interesting word study, if you have a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.

Just skimming the refrences, you get the idea, that the word is drunk by Isaiah and then in the New Testament it's getting drunk again.
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That fits with the customs of the ancient world. To be a drunkard was to be a barbarian.
 
Napoleon said:
You’d have to drink a substantial amount of that swill to become intoxicated.
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I doubt the story, they were rich and affluent, why wouldn't they have strong wine?
 
Napoleon said:
That fits with the customs of the ancient world. To be a drunkard was to be a barbarian.
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Maybe the Word favors the juice, because the prophets were stoners.
 
Interesting...mixing wine with water was to help purify the water...

The ancient Greeks and Romans usually drank their wine mixed with water.

But why did they do this? And why aren’t we used to doing that anymore?

The ancient Greeks and Romans indeed mixed water and wine – but technically they put wine in their water more than they put water in their wine. At that time, wine was also considered a way to purify and improve the taste of (often stagnant) water, but mainly by mixing wine with water, they could avoid all the unpleasant consequences of still wine.

How dilute was the water/wine mixture?

Three or four parts water to one part wine are usually reported but other ratios have also been recorded. There are also reports of adding lemon, spices, or even seawater to dilute the wine. You may have heard of a mixture of honey and wine that sounds strange today but was very popular back then.

The quality of the wine was taken into account in the mixing ratio. That is, strong wines were diluted with more water. The ratio of the mixture was three parts water to one part wine. Hesiod, advising his brother Persis, in the summertime, suggests to him three parts of water to one part of the wine.

The correct proportion of the mixture followed the activity of each wine. The most active, which accepted the greatest involvement, was Ismarus. With three glasses, Odysseus got drunk and then blinded the Cyclops Polyphemus.

Drinking wine that had not been mixed with water (“still wine”) was considered barbaric and was only used by the sick or during travels as a tonic.

They made sure that the water they used for diluting the wine came from a spring, a “secret fountain” or a “cold well”. Thus, along with mixing wine with water, the ancients succeeded in cooling it at the same time.
https://santoriniwinetour.com/why-did-the-ancient-greeks-drink-watered-down-wine/
 
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