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I seriously doubt that in this market, with the construction field devastated by layoffs, that you cannot find high skilled US construction workers willing to take $25/hr jobs. I know for a fact that there are hundreds of thousands in AZ and CA willing and waiting.Not exactly. My stance is that the unskilled and lazy US workers think they deserve more money than they are worth. I would have hired them if they didn't price themselves out of the market. Why would I pay $30 an hour for an American who wasn't as skilled or hardworking as the skilled, hardworking immigrant who would work for $25 an hour? I'd hire that American for $10-$15 an hour because they weren't worth more than that. They wouldn't take the job for that amount, though.
(And that's the actual rates I paid per hour for carpenters, not $10 an hour. I'd pay my unskilled laborers the $10-$15 an hour rate).
Not exactly. My stance is that the unskilled and lazy US workers think they deserve more money than they are worth. I would have hired them if they didn't price themselves out of the market. Why would I pay $30 an hour for an American who wasn't as skilled or hardworking as the skilled, hardworking immigrant who would work for $25 an hour? I'd hire that American for $10-$15 an hour because they weren't worth more than that. They wouldn't take the job for that amount, though.
(And that's the actual rates I paid per hour for carpenters, not $10 an hour. I'd pay my unskilled laborers the $10-$15 an hour rate).
OK here you go, saved you those precious keystrokes: Wage Determinations Online
OK, let me TRY to explain to you the difference between hard working immigrants and lazy-ass Americans.
Immigrants work hard. They do this for less money.
Americans are lazy. They expect more money for this.
I don't give a flying **** about the standards of living (and by the way, my employees weren't Mexican. Hate to burst your pathetic strawman bubble, they were Irish immigrants. I do find it rather telling that you are ignorant enough to assume immigrant means Mexican, though. The Irish have a comparable standard of living, but a much better work ethic)
Okay, so a quick comparison between Nebraska (not many Mexicans, I assume) and Arizona shows that that the rates in AZ are more than double the rates in Nebraska. Hmmmm....
Maybe cost of living...
How about Maine? Nah, Arizona still pays better than 50% more. Hmmm....
Actually there's very little to cultural or linguistic differences between any of the 50 states. The big cultural/linguistic/political divide is actually between the inner city (of every city in America), and everyone else.
...but that is the wage you are offering.
Again, the established high skilled US worker is someone you do not want to higher.
or "non-lazy" US workers.
Your whole argument hinges on this "lazy" American.
That is always the characterization used by those who won't pay a real wage.
I am in SOUTH TEXAS we have very few Irish immigrants but PLENTY of illegal immigrants, MANY of them, believe it or not, are from Mexico and other points south. Job offer link: Career Opportunities
Again, you claim you can't find high skilled US workers willing to accept $25/hr rates. I say that is totally false. My BiL was a foreman for residential slab pours, he is now sweeping the floors at an Amazon distribution center for much less than $25/hr.How do you know what I was offering? Most of the immigrants who worked for me were well-established here, as well. Some having lived here for 20+ years. Bull****. The established, high skilled US worker still wasn't worth what they wanted because the established, high skilled Immigrant worker was willing to work for less than even the unskilled US worker would work for. The unskilled US worker wanted the same as the skilled Immigrant worker, and the skilled US worker wanted 30% more than the skilled immigrant worker. simply being a US worker doesn't warrant the pay they wanted. Reality hinges on that. That line of idiocy falls apart when you learn what I paid my workers.
Again, you claim you can't find high skilled US workers willing to accept $25/hr rates. I say that is totally false. My BiL was a foreman for residential slab pours, he is now sweeping the floors at an Amazon distribution center for much less than $25/hr.
Your story doesn't hold up in this market.
Ah...you are in CHICAGO, a pretty high CoL area, of course you can't find high skilled labor at below rate levels.....except for those living 10 to a room.Reality 101: I'm in Chicago.
Well bully for you. You are not only ignorant in your assumption that immigrant = Mexican, you're a Texan to boot.
I'm from Chicago, and we have just as many immigrants as "y'all" do, both legal and illegal, from points all over the globe. Including Mexico and points south.
And now he mentions the area he was working in....a VERY high cost region where he wanted to pay below market rates.He mentioned above that he doesn't own the company any more.
Again, you claim you can't find high skilled US workers willing to accept $25/hr rates.
Your story doesn't hold up in this market.
And now he mentions the area he was working in....a VERY high cost region where he wanted to pay below market rates.
How do you know what I was offering? Most of the immigrants who worked for me were well-established here, as well. Some having lived here for 20+ years.
Bull****. The established, high skilled US worker still wasn't worth what they wanted because the established, high skilled Immigrant worker was willing to work for less than even the unskilled US worker would work for.
The unskilled US worker wanted the same as the skilled Immigrant worker, and the skilled US worker wanted 30% more than the skilled immigrant worker.
simply being a US worker doesn't warrant the pay they wanted.
Reality hinges on that.
That line of idiocy falls apart when you learn what I paid my workers.
Ah...you are in CHICAGO, a pretty high CoL area, of course you can't find high skilled labor at below rate levels.....except for those living 10 to a room.
My rates were not below market. The key to knowing what oyu are talking about is actually knowing what you are talking about.
I am using what I know to be true HERE where I live and try to work. As you can see from the following link carpenters in Texas are hurting right now, paid about $20K/year less than in IL: Carpenters
Of course you couldn't find skilled US workers at below market level rates in CHICAGO....during the CONSTRUCTION BOOM.....when employment levels were HIGH.I said I couldn't. Past tense. When the construction industry died (along with familial issues), I closed down the company. In 2005, you couldn't find an American construction worker willing to work for $25 an hour. Today you can, because there are no jobs and people have become more humble. The problem is that equally skilled immigrants will do the same work for $10.
It's not my fault you ignored my use of the past tense. :shrug:
OK, I was WRONG about AZ, assuming (wrongly) that it was much like TX see link: Carpenters
They sure as hell can't afford a house in Chicago @ less than $50K for that household during the boom.I guess I'll call up all of my former employees and tell them they aren;'t allowed to own their homes because some guy on the internet who didn't know **** said they had to live 10 to a room.
Of course you couldn't find skilled US workers at below market level rates in CHICAGO....during the CONSTRUCTION BOOM.....when employment levels were HIGH.
They sure as hell can't afford a house in Chicago @ less than $50K for that household during the boom.
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