The Assault Weapons Ban Is A Dumb Idea Pushed By Dumb People

[sanman]

another stupid diversion that is both dishonest and oozes straw. you claim 18 year olds cannot be trusted to own firearms. You base it on one case You have failed to back up your claim and when confronted with the FACT that society has entrusted 18 year olds with things far more serious than a rifle, you retreat evade and spew nonsense

the law is fine as it is.

And you are equating operating military hardware overseas in a combat theater with owning/operating it on US soil (otherwise why bring it up?)

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Young people in a military organization aren't in the same situation as some young loner without any social attachments.

 

[sanman]

Well that's a strawman argument.

So then if you don't feel everyone should be entrusted with everything, then what's so special about a semi-auto rifle?

 

[Rucker61]

So then if you don't feel everyone should be entrusted with everything, then what's so special about a semi-auto rifle?

What part of "in common use for lawful purposes" do you not understand?

 

[PhysicalRemoval]

Or by your standard, why not make it 5?

Why not?

 

[jaeger19]

So then if you don't feel everyone should be entrusted with everything, then what's so special about a semi-auto rifle?

Nothing.. that's why people can be entrusted with it.

 

[PhysicalRemoval]

When did any Democrats say that we should not have armed security/police?

IF it is good enough for the common man to be disarmed, its good enough for the police.

 

[sanman]

Nothing.. that's why people can be entrusted with it.

So what's so special and different about high explosives compared to a semi-auto rifle? Why can people be entrusted with one and not the other?

 

[sanman]

What part of "in common use for lawful purposes" do you not understand?

What happens when some teenager decides to use it unlawfully? Lots of innocent unarmed people have to die? How many deaths is too many?

 

[Rucker61]

What happens when some teenager decides to use it unlawfully? Lots of innocent unarmed people have to die? How many deaths is too many?

Here's a list of mass shootings from Mother Jones. How many of those were by teenagers using an "assault weapon" that they legally purchased?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/

 

[sanman]

Here's a list of mass shootings from Mother Jones. How many of those were by teenagers using an "assault weapon" that they legally purchased?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/

So that info makes me see that the threat is from a lot more than just teenagers. So I want to then ask - how many of those killers were legal gun-owners?

Also, how many crimes are committed by legal-gun-owners, compared to non-gun-owners?

 

[MAGAnificent]

you're wrong

1) assault rifles weren't banned then-they were banned in 1986 but there is no Case of a legally owned assault rifle by a private citizen being used to commit murder EVER in the USA

2) the ban was directed at cosmetic features and magazine capacities. Since there were millions upon millions of magazines in circulation and since the makers merely get rid of a few offending features (like bayonet lugs LOL) the sale of the rifles continued

3) however there is no evidence the rate of gun crime with these rarely used firearms decreased as a result of the stupid ban nor did they increase when the stupid ban disappeared.

True.....however to be more specific the rifle in question, the AR 15 is not an assault rifle. It is an assault style weapon, which means it's just a semi-automatic designed to look like an assault rifle. Only a fully automatic weapon qualifies as an assault rifle.

 

[MAGAnificent]

If you flag these young men who mentally ill early enough, he does not become an active shooter, duh!! Everyone here is missing the point. You all jump to either ban or protect your guns. The issue is not guns, the issue is a mental health crisis. All the flags were going off for this guy, was ANYONE in mental health called? Nope, the kids mother died last year, he has NO one. So many lives could have been saved if this young man could have received professional treatment even 6 months ago.

I read that he had actually spent time in a mental institution. He should have remained there.

My idea is being proactive, banning guns, or jumping to create more guns on school grounds is reactive.

It would be wise to vet, train and arm a few teachers and employ off duty cops or soldiers to provide security at public schools. Most sizable Universities, even many junior colleges actually have a campus police force, at least one of which stopped a terrorist attack on campus before any innocents were killed.

 

[MAGAnificent]

If you cannot even call the Democratic Party by its name, I cannot take you seriously.

These days, there is not much about the Democrat party that could be considered democratic. Hillary Clinton for instance took over the DNC and cheated Bernie Sanders out of any real chance in the 2016 primaries. And the democrat party for at least a couple decades has been attempting to change the voting demographics in their favor through illegal immigration. They were actually successful in California. When that nonsense stops, then perhaps we will refer to your party as the "democratic party".

 

[MAGAnificent]

Bayonets are still very much used in military combat. Thanks for posting that Gettysburg scene though. It was my favorite scene in that miniseries.

 

[Casper]

Well, since military service is voluntary, and deals with security, then perhaps linking semi-auto rifle ownership to military service (at least below a certain age) could result in more responsible gun use. You would still have the opportunity to acquire a semi-auto rifle at age 18, but a more rigorous assessment would be required than is currently the case.

Such as?

 

[jet57]

That requires a Will to do so and the backbone to try, so much for that thought.

Well said.

 

[beerftw]

You are just making up an argument I never made nor will ever make, just so you can avoid my actual argument. Pretty damn week. YOu don't need an assault rifle to hunt and to defend yourself, plenty other weapons will suffice, and reduce the ability for a large number of people to be slaughtered

The argument need not be made personally, as weapon of war covers virtually every firearm. You do not need an assault rifle to hunt at all, but a freedom is not a priviledge meaning you do not need to justify it's use if it is a freedom. Also to note hunting with an assault rifle is really expensive, with the tax stamp and other requirements.

Now if you meant assault weapon, which is nothing more than a scary looking semi auto rifle, than removing them would have zero impact as any semi auto weapon fires at the same rate as a semi auto ar-15, as do semi auto handguns. Technichally speaking a bolt action or lever action or a pump action shotgun could be used efficiently to try a mass murder, simply due to the fact in most cases their targets are massed together with little to no protection.

 

[jet57]

But Assault rifles are mostly the weapon of choice in mass shootings, with multiple victims, yes?

You are absolutely correct. The AR15 will be gone from the racks as well as the banana clips.

 

[Casper]

You are absolutely correct. The AR15 will be gone from the racks as well as the banana clips.

Except for the Millions already owned and those that have a printer

 

[jet57]

Except for the Millions already owned and those that have a printer

Well, that just means that the owners of those 5 million AR15s better take very good care of them and keep them secure, because those owners will be headed for jail when theirs is used in a murder...

ps: your avatar looks like it's cool, but it's kinda of blurry...

 

[jet57]

What does a pistol grip do to increase the lethality of a firearm? Has there ever been a single bayonet mass murder, or any murder? When was the last bayonet use in the US military?

That's right - keep right on dancing.

 

[Casper]

Well, that just means that the owners of those 5 million AR15s better take very good care of them and keep them secure, because those owners will be headed for jail when theirs is used in a murder...

ps: your avatar looks like it's cool, but it's kinda of blurry...

Murder should always be prosecuted and punished to the full extent of the law. The tool matter not.

It is an old one, about to change back to another again anyway. It is still a good statement on who I am so I still use it from time to time, means more to me than to others as most Avatars do.

 

[jet57]

Murder should always be prosecuted and punished to the full extent of the law. The tool matter not.

It is an old one, about to change back to another again anyway. It is still a good statement on who I am so I still use it from time to time, means more to me than to others as most Avatars do.

Too bad we can't see it to get the message; got another version?

And the tool does matter; if someone's banned weapon gets into the public through some sort of neglect; read Adam Lanza, then the owner of the weapon is going to jail. And that's as it should be.

 

[rhinefire]

Recently we were talking assault style weapons and I said I don't think they should be sold to the public. After that a friend said "Americans need to have access to everything the police have." It struck me immediately as I just watched a documentary about the military build up of America's police. The documentary showed the shocking build up of military equipment the American police are doing all over the country and in little one horse towns even one town with one cop. They are buying equipment and the military is giving used equipment to them. I hate the police when they attack in the name of law and order when it is no more than a show of force to insure the population they will be killed if they take it "too far". I can fire off 15 rounds in just a few seconds with my semi auto pistols and the government if allowed will declare that unacceptable. Where will they draw the line?

 

[Oreo]

translation-use the deaths to vote in Democrats.

semi automatic weapons are 90% of the handguns sold, more than half the 22 rifles sold, and have won at least half the world skeet shooting and sporting clays championships of the last 40 years.

So you are lying. its all about bashing conservatives. You have proven you really don't care about gun deaths. Its all about your hurt over the GOP winning the last election with NRA help

It's clear that after all these massacre's that the only thing that Republicans are fierce about protecting is the NRA at any cost & no matter how many innocent lives

The gun rights organization (NRA) spent a stupendous $54.4 million in the 2016 election cycle, almost all of it in "independent expenditures," meaning spending for or against a candidate but not a direct contribution to a campaign. The money went almost entirely to Republicans to a degree that almost looks like a misprint (but isn't): Of independent expenditures totaling $52.6 million, Democrats received $265. Yes, that's $265 dollars.

'Thoughts and prayers' ? and fistfuls of NRA money: Why America can't control guns

So what would gun control look like under Democrats?

1. A semi-automatic weapons ban and ban on large gun clips--30 round clips.
2. Background checks, including mental health that Trump & Republicans did away with--when Obama inacted them after Sandy Hook.
Donald Trump Revoked Obama-Era Gun Checks For Mentally Ill Law | Fortune

3. Background and extended mental health at all gun shows.
4. No private sales: Meaning if you want to sell a gun you would drop it off at a licensed gun dealer and put it on consignment for sale so a background check could be done.

This is pretty much what Colorado did after the Aurora theatre shooting, with the exception of banning semi automatics. Gun clips are 9 in this state. So if you're caught with a larger gun clip it will be confiscated, and you will be fined.

This has got to happen--we can no longer ignore this problem that seems to be weekly news now-a-days and Republicans are not going to do it for the above reason.