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The AP is taking Trump to court on 1rst and 5th amendment violations

Peter said:
I'm mostly against remaning street names unless they find that someone did something super special in the area.

People like Mozart, Shakespear or Isaac Newton that sort of famous not something like Justin beeber.
Then I can go with it.

In the UK we have a thing about having golden post boxes in areas where someone who's won Olympic gold lives which is nice.

To me this is simply Trump flexing his power for the sake of it.
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We don't have any volcanoes in the UK which is both a good thing and a shame.
 
Peter said:
Do you really think it's Presidential for him to be doing things just to annoy a section of the country?
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He most certainly is not presidential in many things.
Peter said:
He's supposed to be President for everyone.
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LOL...

We know the left will never give him that satisfaction.
Peter said:
How would you feel if I (don't ask me how) became president and started doing things I know would annoy conservatives but not actually do anything usefull?
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Ooops... I just realized. i already responded to this post.
 
It does look like government retaliation and an overt and explicit attempt to control the speech of the AP. I'm curious how the courts will view it.
 
exoplanet said:
It does look like government retaliation and an overt and explicit attempt to control the speech of the AP. I'm curious how the courts will view it.
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It is a privilege to be in the Briefing Room. Not a right. That is how the courts will view it.
 
Lord of Planar said:
It is a privilege to be in the Briefing Room. Not a right. That is how the courts will view it.
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We'll see. There are lots of things that aren't explicit right yet could be used by the government to limit rights, such as free speech. Driving a vehicle is a privilege and not a right, but if you deny vehicle access based on political views, then the government is restricting speech by punishing political views.

If Trump hadn't made it absolutely clear that this was about restricting and controlling the speech of the AP, then it would be a different case.
 
exoplanet said:
We'll see. There are lots of things that aren't explicit right yet could be used by the government to limit rights, such as free speech. Driving a vehicle is a privilege and not a right, but if you deny vehicle access based on political views, then the government is restricting speech by punishing political views.
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It is based on reporting fact.

The name was factually changed. They are not allowed for not reporting the facts.
exoplanet said:
If Trump hadn't made it absolutely clear that this was about restricting and controlling the speech of the AP, then it would be a different case.
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He may simply be making a point that the press must report the facts to be allowed in the briefing room.

Going to lie... No entry permitted.
 
Lord of Planar said:
It is based on reporting fact.

The name was factually changed. They are not allowed for not reporting the facts.

He may simply be making a point that the press must report the facts to be allowed in the briefing room.

Going to lie... No entry permitted.
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The AP did not lie. Show me a single sentence where you think they lied.
Trump doesn't accuse them of lying. That is not his stated rationale.
“We’re going to keep them out until such time as they agree that it’s the Gulf of America,” Trump said, speaking to reporters who witnessed the signing of an executive order at Mar-a-Lago, his Florida estate. “We’re very proud of this country, and we want it to be the Gulf of America.”

He's telling you he is trying to restrict their speech because they don't agree with him. Why do you disagree with and not trust Trump?
 
exoplanet said:
The AP did not lie. Show me a single sentence where you think they lied.
Trump doesn't accuse them of lying. That is not his stated rationale.
“We’re going to keep them out until such time as they agree that it’s the Gulf of America,” Trump said, speaking to reporters who witnessed the signing of an executive order at Mar-a-Lago, his Florida estate. “We’re very proud of this country, and we want it to be the Gulf of America.”

He's telling you he is trying to restrict their speech because they don't agree with him. Why do you disagree with and not trust Trump?
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It now has a new name. Legally. They are choosing not to call it that.

Do you really think they have a case?
 
butterfly said:
An executive order is not law. Presidents cannot make law.
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Sure he can. He directed the agency in charge to do so. Congress has given government agencies lots of power.

You know what comes to mind with Trump's recent stupid actions? Rush Limbaugh used to demonstrate the absurd by being absurd. Maybe if Trump does these stupid things enough, congress will remove the power these government agencies have, and restore such things to congress.
 
Lord of Planar said:
It now has a new name. Legally. They are choosing not to call it that.

Do you really think they have a case?
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All Trump can do is make federal agencies use the term. The press is not a federal agency and the Gulf of Mexico consists almost entirely of international waters.

He is very explicitly an openly using his powers to try to control their speech, so yes, I do think they have a case.
 
exoplanet said:
All Trump can do is make federal agencies use the term. The press is not a federal agency and the Gulf of Mexico consists almost entirely of international waters.
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I already explained that. Different nations probably still keep the other name.
exoplanet said:
He is very explicitly an openly using his powers to try to control their speech, so yes, I do think they have a case.
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He is controlling accuracy. In the US, it is now legally the Gulf of America. The UK edition can still call it the Gulf of Mexico.

Besides. See post 161 in reference to Limbaugh.
 
NatMorton said:
This is a frivolous lawsuit. Trump's renaming of the Gulf may be jingoistic, but the names of places as recognized under US federal law (even if those places are outside of the US) are set by the US Board on Geographic Names, which is part of the Department of the Interior, and that department reports to the President.

As for in-person access to White House press briefings, that is a privilege, not a right.
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Trump tried banning Acosta. Acosta prevailed in court.
 
exoplanet said:
All Trump can do is make federal agencies use the term. The press is not a federal agency and the Gulf of Mexico consists almost entirely of international waters.
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I already explained that.
exoplanet said:
He is very explicitly an openly using his powers to try to control their speech, so yes, I do think they have a case.
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He is controlling accuracy. In the US, it is now legally the Gulf of America. The UK edition can still call it the Gulf of Mexico.
 
Lord of Planar said:
He is controlling accuracy. In the US, it is now legally the Gulf of America.
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The AP is accurate and their style guide acknowledges that the Trump admin has made the change. But that wasn't enough for him.

"Legally" still just means federal agencies use the term. It is completely meaningless otherwise and does not apply to the AP or anybody else in the US. And what term a federal agency uses for an international body of water isn't very important outside of government business. He could call the moon the Great Trump Orb, but nobody outside of the Federal Government needs to care, nor should they.
 
lol, OK. I don't know if there's much standing there for the lawsuit, but we'll see how it goes. Usually it's Trump who's suing the Press, guess we have The Press Strikes Back.

lol
 
Ikari said:
lol, OK. I don't know if there's much standing there for the lawsuit, but we'll see how it goes. Usually it's Trump who's suing the Press, guess we have The Press Strikes Back.

lol
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Like I eluded to in a previous post. So many things Trump is doing is right out Limbaugh's handbook. "Demonstrate the absurd by being absurd." That is one thing people didn't understand about Limbaugh, and Trump sure is ruffling feathers by doing so.

Think about it. When you break it down, he is playing within the laws that congress made. Congress gave these agencies the power. He has the power over these agencies.

Maybe congress will reign in the power of the agencies finally.
 
panic buyer said:
This is an interesting discussion. It does appear they have a good case
He has no actual right or. mandate to rename the Gulf of Mexico.
And certainly not punish an orgamisation for regusing to comply with what is just a decree.
He has actually banned the AP from White House press briefings for continuing to call it the Gullf of Mexico. Its a move of stunning pettiness by a child.

I thought that this was just a first amendment issue but they make clear that ifs a fifth issue because the AP werre denied due process.

I future historians will llook at this and shake their heads. A crazy man using public funds to pursue whims and private vendettas while half the world is at war.

Its just so petty.

Maf King Ludwig was possibly the craziest man in history but at least he built pretty castles.

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Lord of Planar said:
Like I eluded to in a previous post. So many things Trump is doing is right out Limbaugh's handbook. "Demonstrate the absurd by being absurd." That is one thing people didn't understand about Limbaugh, and Trump sure is ruffling feathers by doing so.

Think about it. When you break it down, he is playing within the laws that congress made. Congress gave these agencies the power. He has the power over these agencies.

Maybe congress will reign in the power of the agencies finally.
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I think what we're learning is that the power of the President needs to finally be reigned in. Particularly what can and cannot be done via EO.
 
Jagged said:
Irrelevant in terms of this thread, which is about filing a lawsuit to reinstate a press pass.
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Now with the prior suit, a precedent is set for a ruling.
 
Ikari said:
I think what we're learning is that the power of the President needs to finally be reigned in. Particularly what can and cannot be done via EO.
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How would not be able to tell the other executives what to do if congress did not give them that power. they have power outside of congressional voting, because congress gave them that power. the president can direct them what to do change that. All you can do is restrict those agencies power that the president controls.

If you think I am wrong, please explain.
 
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