The American Academy of Pediatrics calls for end to nonmedical vaccine exemptions for school attendance

[Roadvirus]

That's fine. Vaccines are generally safe anyway. Amtivaxxets should get double doses just out of spite!

What they really need a x2 dose of is Chill Pills.

 

[Roadvirus]

Vaccines are generally safe and the AAP is saying they should be given unless there is a medical reason not to.

Your implication that since they received money from HHS, there must be something sinister afoot, is mere innuendo.

Anti-Vaxxers are in the Top 5 when it comes to Conspiracy Theorists, right behind the likes of "Moon Landing Hoaxers", "9/11 Truthers" & "JFK & RFK Assassinations"

 

[NOLA Dude]

Vaccines are tested for safety.

The FDA has been doing that for decades.

False. None of the vaccines on the childhood schedule have had long term placebo controlled safety studies. If you think they did one post a study.

 

[NOLA Dude]

Big pharma is really mad about their profits decreasing



The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP)—along with other Big Pharma-aligned trade groups—is suing Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for daring to suggest that healthy children shouldn’t be forced into COVID shots without full scientific backing.

Kennedy’s stance? Common sense.
AAP’s stance? Full access to every child’s arm—no questions asked.
But let’s look at the AAP’s track record—because this is about WAY more than vaccines.

1. Pushing Weight-Loss Drugs & Bariatric Surgery for KIDS

The AAP actively recommends injectable weight-loss drugs (like Ozempic) and bariatric surgery for obese children—instead of nutrition & lifestyle changes.
"Waiting doesn’t work," they say. But neither does mutilating kids’ metabolisms.

2. Cutting Parents Out of Medical Decisions
The AAP has lobbied for policies letting minors consent to vaccines WITHOUT parental knowledge.
In some states, they’ve argued "there’s no minimum age"—just let the doctor decide. This is medical tyranny.

3. Promoting Risky Gender Treatments for Children
The AAP backs puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and even surgeries for minors—despite mounting evidence of harm.
Countries like the UK, Sweden, and Finland have BANNED these practices for kids. But the AAP? Full speed ahead.
Meanwhile, American Kids Are SICKER Than Ever

A JAMA study just confirmed what parents already know:
- Infant mortality in the U.S. is 1.8x HIGHER than other developed nations.

- 45.7% of kids now have chronic conditions (up from 39.9% in 2011).

- Obesity, early puberty, depression, and "sudden infant death" (SIDS) are surging.
The Bottom Line?

The AAP isn’t protecting kids—it’s exploiting them.
- They want control over your child’s body.

- They push dangerous, profit-driven treatments.

- They silence dissent (like RFK Jr.) because REAL science threatens their agenda.

This lawsuit isn’t about "health." It’s about POWER.

 

[Ikari]

Big pharma is really mad about their profits decreasing



The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP)—along with other Big Pharma-aligned trade groups—is suing Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for daring to suggest that healthy children shouldn’t be forced into COVID shots without full scientific backing.

Kennedy’s stance? Common sense.
AAP’s stance? Full access to every child’s arm—no questions asked.
But let’s look at the AAP’s track record—because this is about WAY more than vaccines.

1. Pushing Weight-Loss Drugs & Bariatric Surgery for KIDS

The AAP actively recommends injectable weight-loss drugs (like Ozempic) and bariatric surgery for obese children—instead of nutrition & lifestyle changes.
"Waiting doesn’t work," they say. But neither does mutilating kids’ metabolisms.

2. Cutting Parents Out of Medical Decisions
The AAP has lobbied for policies letting minors consent to vaccines WITHOUT parental knowledge.
In some states, they’ve argued "there’s no minimum age"—just let the doctor decide. This is medical tyranny.

3. Promoting Risky Gender Treatments for Children
The AAP backs puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and even surgeries for minors—despite mounting evidence of harm.
Countries like the UK, Sweden, and Finland have BANNED these practices for kids. But the AAP? Full speed ahead.
Meanwhile, American Kids Are SICKER Than Ever

A JAMA study just confirmed what parents already know:
- Infant mortality in the U.S. is 1.8x HIGHER than other developed nations.

- 45.7% of kids now have chronic conditions (up from 39.9% in 2011).

- Obesity, early puberty, depression, and "sudden infant death" (SIDS) are surging.
The Bottom Line?

The AAP isn’t protecting kids—it’s exploiting them.
- They want control over your child’s body.

- They push dangerous, profit-driven treatments.

- They silence dissent (like RFK Jr.) because REAL science threatens their agenda.

This lawsuit isn’t about "health." It’s about POWER.

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lol

We get it, anyone who doesn't toe the anti-vaxx line is a "big pharma shill". It can't be that medical doctors have seen the importance and benefit of vaccinations. Nope, it has to be "big pharma shill" stuff.

Your arguments are a joke as are your sources.

 

[CLAX1911]

In a revised policy statement published today, the AAP said that it continues to support medical exemptions from immunization when granted appropriately and believes such exemptions should be available to children. But it's concerned that the growth in nonmedical vaccine exemptions, and the variation in how different states implement nonmedical exemption policies, is leading to disparities in immunization coverage and schools that are less safe.

The statement, which updates a 2016 policy that was reaffirmed in 2022, comes amid rising rates of vaccine exemptions in the United States and the worst year for measles the country has seen since the disease was declared eliminated in 2000. Of the 1,319 confirmed US measles cases so far this year, 92% have been in individuals (primarily children) who are unvaccinated or have unknown vaccination status.

AAP argues that nonmedical vaccine exemptions "erode the safety of school environments" and limit the public health value of vaccine requirements for school attendance.

"Because medically recognized contraindications for specific individuals from specific vaccines exist, there continues to be a place for legitimate medical exemptions to immunization," the team of five AAP-affiliated physicians wrote. "However, exempting children for nonmedical reasons from immunizations is problematic for medical, public health, and ethical reasons and creates unnecessary risk to both individuals and communities."

AAP calls for end to nonmedical vaccine exemptions for school attendance

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American Academy of Pediatrics wants forced vaccination. That’s not surprising considering they are a literal big pharma funded mouthpiece.

They are trying to ban all religious or philosophical objection rights

They are an evil organization.

I think they're going to come up against the first amendment.

You should vaccinate your kids and I'm okay with the government saying that but making it mandatory no.

 

[CLAX1911]

And keep them out of public places. If they must interact with the public make them wear clinical masks boldly marked "AV".

Why not make them wear and Scarlet letter because of their parents' decision.

Or maybe it should say "Cootie-Face."

 

[Ikari]

I think they're going to come up against the first amendment.

You should vaccinate your kids and I'm okay with the government saying that but making it mandatory no.

It's not mandatory. Generally there are health exceptions for them, and these are just for public schools. You can always do private or homeschool. Though some private schools also have vaccination requirements because it just makes sense.

 

[CLAX1911]

Anti-Vaxxers are in the Top 5 when it comes to Conspiracy Theorists, right behind the likes of "Moon Landing Hoaxers", "9/11 Truthers" & "JFK & RFK Assassinations"

I would say they're worse because they're hurting their own kids. You can believe in a JFK assassination plot without hurting your kids.

 

[CLAX1911]

It's not mandatory.

It can't be we don't live in that kind of country.

Generally there are health exceptions for them, and these are just for public schools. You can always do private or homeschool. Though some private schools also have vaccination requirements because it just makes sense.

So you have to pay taxes into something that you are forbidden to use legally based on a religious position yeah that's going to be a First amendment issue.

 

[Ikari]

It can't be we don't live in that kind of country.

So you have to pay taxes into something that you are forbidden to use legally based on a religious position yeah that's going to be a First amendment issue.

I don't know how religious freedom means you have the freedom to spread disease to anyone you want. And as this has been a thing for a real long time, and while many states do currently allow for religious exemption, not all do. And those restrictions have existed and been challenged, so it seems like schools do have the right and privilege to insert health safety criteria on incoming students.

 

[CLAX1911]

I don't know how religious freedom means you have the freedom to spread disease to anyone you want.

Vaccines don't stop spread. You're still stuck in covid brain. They reduce severity of symptoms.

We should never make laws based on scientific literacy

And as this has been a thing for a real long time, and while many states do currently allow for religious exemption, not all do.

You're not allowed to discriminate against people on the basis of religion that's what the First amendment says.

And those restrictions have existed and been challenged, so it seems like schools do have the right and privilege to insert health safety criteria on incoming students.

But again a vaccine is about protecting the individual not anybody else. Nobody else on the planet benefits from my immunity to measles only I do.

 

[Ikari]

Vaccines don't stop spread. You're still stuck in covid brain. They reduce severity of symptoms.

We should never make laws based on scientific literacy

You're not allowed to discriminate against people on the basis of religion that's what the First amendment says.

But again a vaccine is about protecting the individual not anybody else. Nobody else on the planet benefits from my immunity to measles only I do.

Depends on disease, actually. Vaccines are particularly efficient in preventing illness in the first place in slow-incubating diseases. For things like the flu or covid, they are less effective at preventing infection and so you still get spread; but it will lower the probabilities.

Religious freedom is NOT an absolute. The right to swing your fist ends at my nose. For instance, many states allow religious exemption from medical treatment; but that's not universal. There's something like 16 states where parents can be criminally liable for withholding medical treatment resulting in harm or death of a child. 3 States don't allow religious exemption for students enrolled in public schools. Generally we have religious exemptions for all sorts of things (but don't make a religion that says you personally don't have to pay taxes), but that doesn't necessarily hold when discussing the health and wellbeing of others.

But again, a vaccine is about protecting the whole, that's how they work and are the most effective. That's why we have the term "herd immunity". Vaccinations are a statistical system.

 

[CLAX1911]

Depends on disease, actually.

No. Me having antibodies does not protect anybody else.

Vaccines are particularly efficient in preventing illness in the first place in slow-incubating diseases.

But it doesn't prevent the virus from existing it prevents it from replicating as readily in your body. If you carry it it can still infect others from you even if you're vaccinated.

For things like the flu or covid, they are less effective at preventing infection and so you still get spread; but it will lower the probabilities.

The problem with a covid vaccine and the only company that made one was Johnson or Johnson was that it had a tendency to cause blood clots.

And this explains why having antibodies to a virus doesn't magically make the virus not existing.

Religious freedom is NOT an absolute.

Right. You can't sacrifice virgins you can't eat human flesh you can't abuse animals as part of your religion.

But you're going to have a hard time convincing me that somebody having antibodies or not to certain virus hurts anyone else.

The right to swing your fist ends at my nose.

The right to dictate what antibodies I have ends at my skin.

For instance, many states allow religious exemption from medical treatment; but that's not universal. There's something like 16 states where parents can be criminally liable for withholding medical treatment resulting in harm or death of a child.

This causes harm to a child and not having antibodies do a certain virus may not cause harm to the child.

3 States don't allow religious exemption for students enrolled in public schools.

Three states don't allow for bodily autonomy okay.

Generally we have religious exemptions for all sorts of things (but don't make a religion that says you personally don't have to pay taxes),

It is your duty to pay taxes it is not your duty to have antibodies.

but that doesn't necessarily hold when discussing the health and wellbeing of others.

Me having antibodies or not has nothing at all to do with the health and well-being of others.

But again, a vaccine is about protecting the whole,

To the scientifically illiterate yes. You having antibodies does not protect anybody else.

that's how they work and are the most effective.

So make the argument that people should get vaccines instead of using authoritarian dictatorship to force it on people. If you want that sort of thing you belong in North Korea.

That's why we have the term "herd immunity". Vaccinations are a statistical system.

So how many people choose not to vaccinate and how is it threatening herd immunity?

 

[bythoughts]

I oppose this idea.

First, because genuine religious objections should be respected.
Second, because the alternative is having anti-vaxxers mobilize to outright ban vaccines and leave us all sick.
And third, because we have to get rid of the MAGA movement somehow, and this will do it, one bad case at a time.

 

[CLAX1911]

I oppose this idea.

First, because genuine religious objections should be respected.

What is a genuine religions exception?

Second, because the alternative is having anti-vaxxers mobilize to outright ban vaccines and leave us all sick.

I think there is an approach that doesn't involve concern about anti vaxx. Information. Instead of telling people that they're good little boys and girls for getting a vaccine or doing your kids vaccinated really but we're talking about explain what a vaccine does and what happens if you catch the illness and are not vaccinated.

And third, because we have to get rid of the MAGA movement somehow, and this will do it, one bad case at a time.

So kiss everything you said goodbye because you have to get rid of 75 million people and that's not going to happen.

Go back to the drawing board. I'm willing to bad you 95 to 99% of trump supporters are vaccinated.

 

[Roadvirus]

Not true.

But I'm assuming you're saying "effectively eradicated". Is that right? According to the CDC, the US gets cases here and there nearly every year.

But not outbreaks like we've seen this year.

 

[Roadvirus]

There have been 38,000 deaths from the Covid vaccine according to VAERS. Does that mean the deaths from the Covid vaccine are closer to 3.8 million?

What VAERS Is (And Isn’t) | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Anyone can report a post-vaccination health issue to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System—which anti-vaccination activists often misuse to sow misinformation and distrust.

publichealth.jhu.edu

 

[CLAX1911]

But not outbreaks like we've seen this year.

Where has there been an outbreak of measles?

 

[Ikari]

No. Me having antibodies does not protect anybody else.

But it doesn't prevent the virus from existing it prevents it from replicating as readily in your body. If you carry it it can still infect others from you even if you're vaccinated.

The problem with a covid vaccine and the only company that made one was Johnson or Johnson was that it had a tendency to cause blood clots.

And this explains why having antibodies to a virus doesn't magically make the virus not existing.

Right. You can't sacrifice virgins you can't eat human flesh you can't abuse animals as part of your religion.

But you're going to have a hard time convincing me that somebody having antibodies or not to certain virus hurts anyone else.

The right to dictate what antibodies I have ends at my skin.

This causes harm to a child and not having antibodies do a certain virus may not cause harm to the child.

Three states don't allow for bodily autonomy okay.

It is your duty to pay taxes it is not your duty to have antibodies.

Me having antibodies or not has nothing at all to do with the health and well-being of others.

To the scientifically illiterate yes. You having antibodies does not protect anybody else.

So make the argument that people should get vaccines instead of using authoritarian dictatorship to force it on people. If you want that sort of thing you belong in North Korea.

So how many people choose not to vaccinate and how is it threatening herd immunity?

I mean, I guess scientifically illiterate might not understand what heard immunity is.

Proper vaccination does mean that the whole are protected from outbreaks and epidemics. It's also a furtherance of the health of the individual. We've seen a world without vaccinations and the diseases that used to run rampant through our communities, for a lot of the big illnesses that has been put to bed through proper immunization. This isn't an "authoritarian dictatorship", that's a bit of the ol' hysterics. And again, there are ways to go about this and avoid having to immunize ones kid if an individual is a ****ing moron and against proper vaccination. Don't know the level of stupid that requires, and mostly those people are relying on the rest of us having proper vaccinations to prevent epidemics from breaking out. But stupid people exist.

And more than 3 States have laws against bodily autonomy, there are plenty of States for example which ban abortion. So this idea of "bodily autonomy" is also not an absolute. I fear you'll find very few absolutes in the real world.

 

[NOLA Dude]

What VAERS Is (And Isn’t) | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Anyone can report a post-vaccination health issue to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System—which anti-vaccination activists often misuse to sow misinformation and distrust.

publichealth.jhu.edu

What will you hide behind once your boy RFK has a real vaccine injury reporting system in place? Big pharma shills don't do well with transparency.

 

[Gordy327]

Anti-Vaxxers are in the Top 5 when it comes to Conspiracy Theorists, right behind the likes of "Moon Landing Hoaxers", "9/11 Truthers" & "JFK & RFK Assassinations"

Top 5 of the stupidity groups. Dont forget the Flat Earthers too.

 

[bythoughts]

What is a genuine religions exception?

I don't know, and it's not my responsibility to figure out. Some people out there have weird ideas. We need those ideas, because our society is insane and we're not going to get anywhere repeating the same thing over and over again. No, I don't believe it's a smart idea to do without vaccines, but does it matter? We need to be thinking more realistically how to delay losing our ability to take a vaccine, not how to mess with Sasquatch.

I think there is an approach that doesn't involve concern about anti vaxx. Information. Instead of telling people that they're good little boys and girls for getting a vaccine or doing your kids vaccinated really but we're talking about explain what a vaccine does and what happens if you catch the illness and are not vaccinated.

Go head - distribute information. That's fair. It's also not the same as ending somebody's exemption and ringing the bell for Round 1.

So kiss everything you said goodbye because you have to get rid of 75 million people and that's not going to happen.

We're going to be getting rid of more than that soon. Come on, we're all resigned to banning solar panels (or at least tariffing them and taxing them into unusability), burning coal, until the oceans boil, and steam sanitizes every last rock crevice of the Antarctic. Why the hell do I have to care if some loving parents want to volunteer their kids for measles and polio?

Go back to the drawing board. I'm willing to bad you 95 to 99% of trump supporters are vaccinated.

Well, 1 to 5% is a start, and would have been sufficient edge in the last election. There's no need to feel morally culpable for not imposing a haughty, elitist policy to offend the pseudo-religious ethics of the population. Especially when we've done without it for all history, and when it's never going to pass, and when it will just be used as an excuse to rag on the liberals. This is our time to speak up like we should have spoken up when geniuses started with the "Defund the Police" campaign.

 

[Gordy327]

What will you hide behind once your boy RFK has a real vaccine injury reporting system in place? Big pharma shills don't do well with transparency.

A reporting system has been in place for over 30 years, long before RFK was appointed to the helm. Apparently you dont do well with facts.

 

[Ikari]

Top 5 of the stupidity groups. Dont forget the Flat Earthers too.

These groups have a lot of overlap on the ol' Venn diagram.

Flat Earthers are perhaps the dumbest of them all, but I think they also are likely to be in all the other conspiracy circles too.
Anti-Vaxx are usually second or third, up there with the "Moon landing is fake". Although anti-vaxx has the largest ability to inflict actual harm onto others
Sov Cits are in the list too, and can be individually very dangerous. More than a few have taken shots at cops.