The Amazing Moses

[Metanoia]

Let’s talk about Moses……just think about it. He wrote the first 5 books of the Bible giving details that happened 2;500 years prior to his birth……just amazing considering his nomadic life…….carefully revealing specific conversations of the ancients. By contrast the era that the New Testament covers is minuscule in comparison. We have unending debates about the New Testament but little about the Old Testament……think about this. It really seems like too much information produces less understanding, agreement or consensus. Realizing this I must suspect that looking within ourselves is perhaps where the ultimate answer lies…..and that this looking within means activating the Spirit. We demonstrate every day that denominations are not the answer and that Scripture is subject to interpretation……and literal understanding bears little fruit…..

 

[Loulit01]

Moses is truly amazing. 3000 years later he has people believing he parted the Red Sea and wandered around the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years.

 

[Metanoia]

Moses is truly amazing. 3000 years later he has people believing he parted the Red Sea and wandered around the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years.

Yes…..if people looked at the actual distance covered it was a relatively short journey….symbolism scares people who insist on the literal…..

 

[Gordy327]

Yes…..if people looked at the actual distance covered it was a relatively short journey….symbolism scares people who insist on the literal…..

Some people seem to prefer symbolism over the literal or actual.

 

[Gordy327]

Moses is truly amazing. 3000 years later he has people believing he parted the Red Sea and wandered around the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years.

Mel Brooks portrayed Moses the best

 

[Metanoia]

Some people seem to prefer symbolism over the literal or actual.

Yes….people are different….all at different levels….some find meaning in art and poetry for example…..and that is meaningless to those that are determined to remain literalists and materialists….they fear the realm of possibility….but it does simplify their lives…

 

[KingLeo]

If he actually existed at all.

Moses is not explicitly mentioned in ancient Egyptian historical records. While the names of some biblical figures, including Moses, share Egyptian elements, no contemporary Egyptian texts directly refer to him. Instead, popular Egyptian traditions preserved stories about Moses and the Israelites' departure, though not in written form, until much later

 

[Gordy327]

Yes….people are different….all at different levels….some find meaning in art and poetry for example…..and that is meaningless to those that are determined to remain literalists and materialists….they fear the realm of possibility….but it does simplify their lives…

What makes you think they fear something? That's just silly presumption. The ones who try to avoid the literal or actual are more likely being the fearful ones.

 

[Metanoia]

What makes you think they fear something? That's just silly presumption. The ones who try to avoid the literal or actual are more likely being the fearful ones.

You have an argument if people neatly fit into either/or boxes…..reality is not quite that simple…..it does seem like you are presuming the either/or dichotomy ?

 

[Gordy327]

You have an argument if people neatly fit into either/or boxes…..reality is not quite that simple…..it does seem like you are presuming the either/or dichotomy ?

Reality is reality. Some seem unable to cope with or accept it. Some do. Simple fact.

 

[Metanoia]

Reality is reality. Some seem unable to cope with or accept it. Some do. Simple fact.

Simplfing

 

[Gordy327]

Simplfing

Because it's simple. No need for the superfluous.

 

[Metanoia]

Simplifying again ? It has to be universal that at one time or another that everyone declares “I can’t believe that !”

 

[ataraxia]

Moses is truly amazing. 3000 years later he has people believing he parted the Red Sea and wandered around the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years.

Sounds like stuff Paul Bunyan reportedly did.

 

[Daisy]

literal understanding bears little fruit…..

lol...so do personal opinions...

 

[Metanoia]

lol...so do personal opinions...

It is not opinions that are beyond the literal rather it is the spiritual…..the Spirit trumps everything….

 

[redbeer]

Let’s talk about Moses……just think about it. He wrote the first 5 books of the Bible giving details that happened 2;500 years prior to his birth……just amazing considering his nomadic life…….carefully revealing specific conversations of the ancients. By contrast the era that the New Testament covers is minuscule in comparison. We have unending debates about the New Testament but little about the Old Testament……think about this. It really seems like too much information produces less understanding, agreement or consensus. Realizing this I must suspect that looking within ourselves is perhaps where the ultimate answer lies…..and that this looking within means activating the Spirit. We demonstrate every day that denominations are not the answer and that Scripture is subject to interpretation……and literal understanding bears little fruit…..

Moses, speaking of a coming one like unto him is very interesting:


(Deu 18:15) The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
(Deu 18:16) According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
(Deu 18:17) And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
(Deu 18:18) I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
(Deu 18:19) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.


The miracle of the five barley loaves and two small fish is where the people saw that Jesus is this coming prophet:


(Joh 6:14) Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.


Then the words of Jesus confirms it:

(Joh 7:16) Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

(Joh 8:28) Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

(Joh 12:49) For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
(Joh 12:50) And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

(Joh 14:24) He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.


Peter on the Day of Pentecost:

(Act 3:22) For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
(Act 3:23) And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.


Truly Jesus is the prophet like unto Moses, miraculously conceived in the womb of Mary, born a man like unto us, as prophesied, who came being sent by God, for God gave him command what to speak, confirmed by Jesus himself and the apostles. This Prophet is the Christ, the Son of the living God.

 

[Daisy]

 

[redbeer]

Yes, speaking gibberish where nobody knows what they are saying is not "speaking in tongues" in the first place. On the day of Pentecost men from many nations of varying languages all heard the words of the apostles in their own language, i.e., they spoke only once and each of them understood those words in their own dialect without an interpreter, as the HS made it so they all understood what was said. Here is full and total understanding, not mumbo jumbo words, flailing around on the ground as if they are having a seizure and all the people shout "Amen", when nobody knows what the heck they said.


(Act 2:4) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
(Act 2:5) And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
(Act 2:6) Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
(Act 2:7) And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
(Act 2:8) And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
(Act 2:9) Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
(Act 2:10) Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
(Act 2:11) Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

 

[Daisy]

Yes, speaking gibberish where nobody knows what they are saying is not "speaking in tongues" in the first place. On the day of Pentecost men from many nations of varying languages all heard the words of the apostles in their own language, i.e., they spoke only once and each of them understood those words in their own dialect without an interpreter, as the HS made it so they all understood what was said. Here is full and total understanding, not mumbo jumbo words, flailing around on the ground as if they are having a seizure and all the people shout "Amen", when nobody knows what the heck they said.


(Act 2:4) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
(Act 2:5) And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
(Act 2:6) Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
(Act 2:7) And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
(Act 2:8) And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
(Act 2:9) Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
(Act 2:10) Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
(Act 2:11) Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

lol...tell the truth...you're a JW incognito...

 

[Napoleon]

If he actually existed at all.

Moses is not explicitly mentioned in ancient Egyptian historical records. While the names of some biblical figures, including Moses, share Egyptian elements, no contemporary Egyptian texts directly refer to him. Instead, popular Egyptian traditions preserved stories about Moses and the Israelites' departure, though not in written form, until much later

In fairness, the ancient Egyptian historical records that have survived to the present day consist of some weathered hieroglyphs and fragments of fragments of a handful of papyri and stele. Almost everything we know (which is next to nothing) about the real ancient Egyptian historical record comes to us second and third hand from sources that make it difficult to discern between what the record actually said and their own interjections. And, unlike Herodotus, those authors didn’t distinguish between rumor and what they were able to verify. The rest is archaeological supposition.

It’s a sad state of affairs considering that Egypt was renowned in the ancient world as the repository of historical knowledge. If you wanted to know the history of anything or anywhere you’d go to Egypt and consult the priests.

 

[SoccerCoach]

Let’s talk about Moses……just think about it. He wrote the first 5 books of the Bible giving details that happened 2;500 years prior to his birth……just amazing considering his nomadic life…….carefully revealing specific conversations of the ancients. By contrast the era that the New Testament covers is minuscule in comparison. We have unending debates about the New Testament but little about the Old Testament……think about this. It really seems like too much information produces less understanding, agreement or consensus. Realizing this I must suspect that looking within ourselves is perhaps where the ultimate answer lies…..and that this looking within means activating the Spirit. We demonstrate every day that denominations are not the answer and that Scripture is subject to interpretation……and literal understanding bears little fruit…..

Moses didnt write the Pentateuch Leviticus is Civil law. There were many authors and considering the time it was written its insight is amazing. Using the allegory Genesis describes evolution way ahead of its time. Adam evolves form the beginning to the end. It also combines morals and free will with the allegory of the eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The abstract conception of God was too difficult fir many people so they created Jesus literally an idol by distorting the moral teaching od man to the fall of man and original sin which doesnt exist