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The ALTERNATE 9/11 theory.[W:15:213:1219]

ozeco41 said:
Presumably that is disregarding the reality that there was no window of opportunity for such a decision to be legitimately taken? :roll:

Take pity on those of us who, like me, cannot think "Truther Mode" - one issue at a time and ignoring the conflicts/lack of coherence. :doh



NB - NWO_Spook - try classifying 'cannot think "Truther Mode"' :mrgreen:
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Again, I did show Cheney ordering the plane shot down, and the map of the debris field spanning several km.

Is the resulting evidence more consistent with a plane crash? Or a plane that exploded in the air?

As for not being able to respond, definitely the first plane to crash, however, this was the last plane, in the air much longer.

I'll start digging up witness accounts, there's bound to be some.
 
Fledermaus said:
Have you an ALTERNATE 9/11 theory?

No?

Why do you post here?
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Just to draw fire from you Maus, and of course because I like to. There is the occasional thought-provoking post offered by someone other than the Coalition of the Dissonant. ;)
 
Henry David said:
Just to draw fire from you Maus, and of course because I like to. There is the occasional thought-provoking post offered by someone other than the Coalition of the Dissonant. ;)
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Close enough
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BmanMcfly said:
Again, I did show Cheney ordering the plane shot down, and the map of the debris field spanning several km. (1)

Is the resulting evidence more consistent with a plane crash? (2) Or a plane that exploded in the air? (3)

As for not being able to respond, definitely the first plane to crash, however, this was the last plane, in the air much longer.

I'll start digging up witness accounts, there's bound to be some.(4)
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1. Neither is EVIDENCE of a shoot down. In fact, the debris field indicates that it WAS NOT shot down.

2. Plane crash. If you look at ALL thew evidence. Not take a "Truther" look at evidence.

3. No EVIDENCE it exploded in the air.

4. Dig up any "looked like" or "sounded like" folks you want.
 
Quag said:
Does anyone else wonder if he actually understands what he just wrote?
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Since he tends to be forgetful....


Look, if you wouldn't be so convincing at playing stupid, but you do manage to illustrate my point with the quote.

If we are struggling with, not even concepts but simple words, is it any wonder that so much of this forum seems to go over your head?

But, with your track record of not understanding anything of an intricate position, you'd probably be asking tea party people about how they are truthers... Not understanding the distinctions that need to be made for honesty.

I seriously wonder, with the games you play, are you actually like 13-14? Serious question.

(and yes, I know I can be insulting... And I freely admit it)
 
General question for truthers (I know they dont answer questions, but still)
If you wont answer questions, wont provide any evidence and remain ambiguous in your remarks why are you bothering to post at all?
 
BmanMcfly said:
Again, I did show Cheney ordering the plane shot down, and the map of the debris field spanning several km.
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No, you didn't. Repeating truther memes is not evidence.
 
Quag said:
General question for truthers (I know they dont answer questions, but still)
If you wont answer questions, wont provide any evidence and remain ambiguous in your remarks why are you bothering to post at all?
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That has often puzzled me. The truther movenment is dead so why bother?
 
BmanMcfly said:
Again, I did show Cheney ordering the plane shot down, and the map of the debris field spanning several km.

Is the resulting evidence more consistent with a plane crash? Or a plane that exploded in the air?

As for not being able to respond, definitely the first plane to crash, however, this was the last plane, in the air much longer.

I'll start digging up witness accounts, there's bound to be some.
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If the debris field is spread over several km how is it that all the heavy debris and all the human remains are confined to a small area around the crash site and only light items (that blow in the wind) were found more than a few hundred meters away?

What type of aircraft shot down 93?

From one unit operating out of where?

Why does it not show up on radar?
 
Mark F said:
If the debris field is spread over several km how is it that all the heavy debris and all the human remains are confined to a small area around the crash site and only light items (that blow in the wind) were found more than a few hundred meters away?

What type of aircraft shot down 93?

From one unit operating out of where?

Why does it not show up on radar?
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Where are the records of vectoring to intercept?

Where are the ground crews that serviced and launched the interceptor?

Where are the ordnance ground crews that loaded to missiles and guns?

Where are the ordnance ground crews that downloaded LESS missiles and guns than went out?

Where are the expenditures (the paperwork that goes with the expenditure of missiles and ammunition)?

Where are the pilots who intercepted?

Where are the air traffic controllers who supervised the launch and recovery of the interceptors?

Where are the phone calls describing a missile or gun attack on the airliner?

Where are the Cockpit Voice Data recorder transcripts showing a missile or gun attack on the airliner?

Oh, look.... Dozens more "IN ON IT"....
 
Fledermaus said:
Where are the records of vectoring to intercept?

Where are the ground crews that serviced and launched the interceptor?

Where are the ordnance ground crews that loaded to missiles and guns?

Where are the ordnance ground crews that downloaded LESS missiles and guns than went out?

Where are the expenditures (the paperwork that goes with the expenditure of missiles and ammunition)?

Where are the pilots who intercepted?

Where are the air traffic controllers who supervised the launch and recovery of the interceptors?

Where are the phone calls describing a missile or gun attack on the airliner?

Where are the Cockpit Voice Data recorder transcripts showing a missile or gun attack on the airliner?

Oh, look.... Dozens more "IN ON IT"....
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Too many questions at once.
 
Fledermaus said:
Oh I Gish I were in Dixie.....

Or, the Make-A-Gish Foundation......

Or, more obscure... If Gishes were Horses, Truthers would ride. :lamo
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I should have said go lay by your Gish.
 
Note this RARE EVENT in your diaries folks.

I'm lost for words - I cannot think of a parody of your parodies.

(Don't anyone tell NWO_Spook)
 
Mark F said:
If the debris field is spread over several km how is it that all the heavy debris and all the human remains are confined to a small area around the crash site and only light items (that blow in the wind) were found more than a few hundred meters away?

What type of aircraft shot down 93?

From one unit operating out of where?

Why does it not show up on radar?
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Fledermaus said:
Where are the records of vectoring to intercept?

Where are the ground crews that serviced and launched the interceptor?

Where are the ordnance ground crews that loaded to missiles and guns?

Where are the ordnance ground crews that downloaded LESS missiles and guns than went out?

Where are the expenditures (the paperwork that goes with the expenditure of missiles and ammunition)?

Where are the pilots who intercepted?

Where are the air traffic controllers who supervised the launch and recovery of the interceptors?

Where are the phone calls describing a missile or gun attack on the airliner?

Where are the Cockpit Voice Data recorder transcripts showing a missile or gun attack on the airliner?

Oh, look.... Dozens more "IN ON IT"....
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Will it count if I can't find out what the pilot had for breakfast that morning?

Here's the thing: if the evidence showed conclusively that the plane was shot down, all your questions are irrelevant since it's clear that someone did.

Instead, we have a plane that crashed straight into the ground and losing an engine miles away (yes an engine, not flecks of paint). Also, we have a man, who was in a position to order a shoot down of the plane saying that he gave that order.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Will it count if I can't find out what the pilot had for breakfast that morning?

Here's the thing: if the evidence showed conclusively that the plane was shot down, all your questions are irrelevant since it's clear that someone did.
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That's a fairly typical example of evading the question(s) at hand.

Instead, we have a plane that crashed straight into the ground and losing an engine miles away (yes an engine, not flecks of paint). Also, we have a man, who was in a position to order a shoot down of the plane saying that he gave that order.
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Except none of that is true. The furthest any significant piece of engine was found from the impact crater was a fan from one engine that was found about 300 yards to the south (in the direction the plane was travelling) downhill in a catchment basin.

What you are talking about is the unsupported old claim from Rense.com that Rense.com which said: "The main body of the engine ... was found miles away from the main wreckage site with damage comparable to that which a heat-seeking missile would do to an airliner." That claim so old in fact it was put to bed as long ago as the Popular Mechanics article.

9/11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - Flight 93 - Popular Mechanics
Missing Engine

Did Cheney give a shoot-down order? He says he did after a call to the President for which there is no documentation so sure, why not. Shortly after Cheney has said he even thought fighters had taken out a couple of aircraft. That of course turned out to be false.

So what?

It is clear from the timeline that NEADS was not even informed Flight 93 was a potential hijack until after it had crashed, so shoot down what exactly? The opportunity to do so had already passed.

It is also clear no fighter pilot received the order even if there had been any opportunity to intercept.

Since Cheney admits to giving the order and for a time even believed we had shot down more than one hijacked airliner there is no reason to cover anything up. So what was the point of all these false claims?
 
BmanMcfly said:
Will it count if I can't find out what the pilot had for breakfast that morning?

Here's the thing: if the evidence showed conclusively that the plane was shot down, all your questions are irrelevant since it's clear that someone did.

Instead, we have a plane that crashed straight into the ground and losing an engine miles away (yes an engine, not flecks of paint). Also, we have a man, who was in a position to order a shoot down of the plane saying that he gave that order.
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Can't address the questions? Say something stupid.

CLUE: What direction did the engine go? Answer (since you won't) in the direction of flight. Which suggests it departed UPON IMPACT.

CLUE: HOW FAR was it? Answer (since you won't) it WASN'T miles away. It was around 300 yards away... WHERE did you get "miles away"? That is a TRUTHER shibboleth.

You REALLY don't understand crash dynamics, do you?

And it DOES NOT matter if anyone ordered the shoot down if the orders were not carried out.

CLUE: IF the orders were carried out there would be EVIDENCE of that happening...
 
"When you gish upon a star'
The truthers know not where you are,
When you gish upon a star
Their dreams won't come true..."
 
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