The ALTERNATE 9/11 theory.[W:15:213:1219]

[Fledermaus]

I wonder if Bob has any experience or education in international relations.

I am guessing the education stopped somewhere in high-school....

 

[BmanMcfly]

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The meat had went rotten. It seriously indicated a very simplistic way of thinking about international relations. It doesn't work like you think it does.

I could open up any newspaper, today, and could find you 3 examples of this technique being used in smaller scales.

situations obviously get more intricate and complex, but in the same way that there is a formula in writing a tragedy, that is a general formula for manipulating populations.

 

[Fledermaus]

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I could open up any newspaper, today, and could find you 3 examples of this technique being used in smaller scales.

situations obviously get more intricate and complex, but in the same way that there is a formula in writing a tragedy, that is a general formula for manipulating populations.

And WHAT does this have to do with 9/11?

A terrorist attack occurred. An attack from the OUTSIDE.

Unless y9u have EVIDENCE of some sort of US collusion (and you don't) what does any of this have to do with an ALTERNATE Theory for 9/11?

 

[OldWorldOrder]

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I could open up any newspaper, today, and could find you 3 examples of this technique being used in smaller scales.

situations obviously get more intricate and complex, but in the same way that there is a formula in writing a tragedy, that is a general formula for manipulating populations.

Good job

 

[NWO_Spook]

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You've got to be the only person that believes that 9-11 had nothing to do with the war in Afghanistan. .. it had nothing to do in reality with Iraq, but when bush and dick were selling those wars to the country, everything was imminent and we had to attack to prevent another 9-11.

I swear, this is the first concession that the government lies I've heard from you.

How did you arrive at that stupid conclusion? Jesus Christ! I never said any such thing! 9/11 triggered the war in Afghanistan obviously, but it was inevitable if Al-Qaeda did not give up its training grounds in the Kush. You do realise that Clinton launched missile attacks on targets in Afghanistan as a punitive exercise that failed?

Obviously, you misunderstood the post in its context.

 

[Jango]

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Well...why do you THINK information is classified? Honestly.

We've talked about that before. My position hasn't changed and I doubt yours has either.

 

[OldWorldOrder]

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We've talked about that before. My position hasn't changed and I doubt yours has either.

And one of them is informed and experienced. Is yours?

 

[Jango]

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And one of them is informed and experienced. Is yours?

Yes. I have experience in a battery office as an administrative clerk post-arty pre-deployment training injury.

 

[OldWorldOrder]

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Yes. I have experience in a battery office as an administrative clerk post-arty pre-deployment training injury.

Exactly. I have experience as a battalion CLPM. Unfortunately, neither applies to classifications.

Obviously, many things regarding Nepal defense will be classified: that is to say, "purposefully withheld". Now, if you're a Bob and/or you just have no experience, you might think that's indicative of a cover-up. If you're not paranoid or have some experience, however, you'd have a better grasp.

it's up to everyone individually to figure out where they stand, but it doesn't change reality.

 

[BmanMcfly]

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Exactly. I have experience as a battalion CLPM. Unfortunately, neither applies to classifications.

Obviously, many things regarding Nepal defense will be classified: that is to say, "purposefully withheld". Now, if you're a Bob and/or you just have no experience, you might think that's indicative of a cover-up. If you're not paranoid or have some experience, however, you'd have a better grasp.

it's up to everyone individually to figure out where they stand, but it doesn't change reality.

A distinction that won't be made is That while there is information that can be legitimately withheld, it can also provide a legitimate cover for criminality.

 

[OldWorldOrder]

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A distinction that won't be made is That while there is information that can be legitimately withheld, it can also provide a legitimate cover for criminality.

While most people driving near schools are normal, some might be taking pictures of little kids to jerk off to. What's your point? You could be a disinfo agent's sock puppet made to make conspiracy theorists look bad. You could be Obama. You could be a collection of the Miami Dolphins backfield. A lot of things could be.

 

[Jango]

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Exactly. I have experience as a battalion CLPM. Unfortunately, neither applies to classifications.

Obviously, many things regarding Nepal defense will be classified: that is to say, "purposefully withheld". Now, if you're a Bob and/or you just have no experience, you might think that's indicative of a cover-up. If you're not paranoid or have some experience, however, you'd have a better grasp.

it's up to everyone individually to figure out where they stand, but it doesn't change reality.

I was involved in classification as administrative clerk, a billet 4 ranks higher than my actual rank.

Now that our qualifications are out of the way, I'll answer your original question: a lot of stuff is classified because it involves sources/methods/technical specifications/troop & SOF related/planning including contingencies/communication/certain directives & orders/etc.

Overclassification also is present, which itself covers a variety of topics. A recent example is the F.B.I.'s in-house Internet terminology dictionary. There was no discernible justification for classification, but it got stamped anyway. Another would be with the Fast & Furious gun-running program being shielded by Executive Privilege - information that the GOP would have used to beat the Obama administration over the head with was scuttled away to prevent just that: a political quagmire.

I know, from earlier conversations with you, that you don't believe that. And that's fine. I'm not going to hound you or hang on your nuts over it (unlike what certain members in this section do to those that they're opposed to). You're a grown man who can believe what you want, it's no skin off my back nor my concern.

 

[OldWorldOrder]

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I was involved in classification as administrative clerk, a billet 4 ranks higher than my actual rank.

Oh, I thought we were just sharing experiences that had nothing to do with the conversation at hand. I also worked at the Chicago Auto Show as a teenager.

Now that our qualifications are out of the way, I'll answer your original question: a lot of stuff is classified because it involves sources/methods/technical specifications/troop & SOF related/planning including contingencies/communication/certain directives & orders/etc.

If that's your qualification, we have a serious disconnect. Things are classified almost exclusively because of means and methods. More so for those reasons than the content there in. What you described is almost always classified confidential and makes up a pittance of actual classified material.

Quite a bit about 9/11 will withheld. As well it should: it concerns national defense. Even if people on an internet message board really really want to know it.

 

[Bob0627]

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Quite a bit about 9/11 will [be] withheld.

Especially the truth.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” - Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Minister of Propaganda

As well it should: it concerns national defense.

Or to defend national criminals.

Even if people on an internet message board really really want to know it.

And even if all Americans want to know. Bend over sheep exempted of course, they would rather remain ignorant and pretend it concerns national defense.

(just speaking generally of course)

 

[NWO_Spook]

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Quite a bit about 9/11 will be withheld. As well it should: it concerns national defense. Even if people on an internet message board really really want to know it.

This is it. Some just jump to the irrational conclusion that withholding information equals a cover-up. You and I both understand that operations against Al-Qaeda are ongoing and there will be some material held back in order to protect the integrity of these operations.

Amazing how the simplest explanation is often dismissed in favour of the fantastic.

 

[Fledermaus]

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Especially the truth.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” - Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Minister of Propaganda

Or to defend national criminals.

And even if all Americans want to know. Bend over sheep exempted of course, they would rather remain ignorant and pretend it concerns national defense.

(just speaking generally of course)

So, No ALTERNATIVE Theory?

 

[NWO_Spook]

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So, No ALTERNATIVE Theory?

It doesn't look like it. All I saw were specious generalisations with no foundation other than quote mining Goebbels, as if that somehow validates the drivel. Not really worthy of a response in my view.

 

[OldWorldOrder]

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Especially the truth.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” - Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Minister of Propaganda

Okay, thanks for the update from Paranoia Land.

Or to defend national criminals.

No, not really.

And even if all Americans want to know. Bend over sheep exempted of course, they would rather remain ignorant and pretend it concerns national defense.

(just speaking generally of course)

Sure, whatever. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[Bob0627]

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So, No ALTERNATIVE Theory?

Oh damn, I made a mistake and posted facts. My apologies, wrong thread, this one is about make believe. Ok, I'll just let the children play. Carry on kiddies.

 

[Fledermaus]

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Oh damn, I made a mistake and posted facts. My apologies, wrong thread, this one is about make believe. Ok, I'll just let the children play. Carry on kiddies.

Failure to understand the OP.... Or intentionally avoiding the question.

No, it is taking the EVIDENCE and formulating an intelligent counter-theory... Can't do it? Not surprising given no other Trutheroid has either in the last 12 years.

 

[NWO_Spook]

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Oh damn, I made a mistake and posted facts.

Where and when?

 

[Jango]

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So you're saying you have to accept what you're told is the evidence on faith just because you believe there's no other proof that may contradict what you've been told? Suppose the proof is in the evidence they're not releasing? Suppose they're not releasing it because it contradicts what you've been told? This is all speculatory of course but you do understand that that's how a cover-up works, no? It sounds like you have an awful lot of faith in the US government, the same one that lies all the time about anything and everything that's important. It's your prerogative of course.

I have a completely opposite philosophy. There's not one thing government says that I accept on faith. Everything must be questioned. These people are pathological liars and always have been. They are politicians after all and their track record is well known.

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." - (arguably attributed to) Thomas Jefferson

1) The credible information in open-sources do not prove 9/11 wasn't operationally conducted by al Qaeda.
2) I've never said, nor do I believe, that the information being purposely withheld from us can't prove that the information the government has released is wrong.
3) I'm aware of cover-ups & how they work, yes.
4) "Awful lot" does not accurately reflect my view.
5) Some things I'll take on faith, like, "The sun is bright, hot & will rise tomorrow," or "Water is wet."

 

[rjay]

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Please. All joking aside, this is for BmanMcfly, HD, Bob and others to put their best foot forward.

They have tried in the past - why are you trying to embarrass these poor delusional folks?

 

[Jango]

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What proof do you see that any airliners were hijacked that day? No matter who did the hijacking, AQ or anybody else?

• Family members of the people on the planes.
• Planes flying into buildings.
• Radio transmissions from the hijackers & passengers.
• Hijackers received flight training in the U.S.
• Phoenix memo.
• Hijackers were on camera in the airport.

 

[BmanMcfly]

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While most people driving near schools are normal, some might be taking pictures of little kids to jerk off to. What's your point?

That's exactly the point... But you act as though there's no chance that criminality would ever get covered up through classifying the information, or labelling it "national security"...

But given this response, it seems a bit hypocritical that you act as though there has never been anything nefarious that's been classified in order to avoid justice.