The alarming degree of ignorance of the average American.

[Cephus]

Kids are in school to be taught the core subjects, English, reading, writing, math, science, geography, history, languages.

In a perfect world, yes. This is not, however, a perfect world.

Then why is sex education taught in our public schools systems? Why are kids taught about birth control, homosexuality, life syles. why are they given sensitivity training so that they will accept all lifestyles, all behaviors?

What good does it do to teach kinds the core subjects and end up having a good percentage of them become criminals, welfare recipients and worse? There was a time when morality was taught in the home, when parents cared about what their kids did and took the responsibility for disciplining them. Those days are, unfortunately, gone and someone has to do it for the good of society. Do you have any ideas who should do it if not the schools?

Personally, I'd rather go back to having the parents be responsible but I have no idea how to force them to do so. Do you?

 

[UtahBill]

My wife retired last summer, and the previous year was her worst of all 29 years. She had ONE Hispanic kid who parents claimed racism because the teachers at his school wouldn't let hem be a bully, act out in class, refuse to do his school work, etc. What eventually worked was calling the parents in every time he acted up. Both parents worked, so they had to leave work many times. He graduated, barely, and is now in high school. There, he won't be the big boy, and will likely get his sorry butt beaten up routinely until he learns to behave. The parents failed him first, and there was nothing the school could do to undo the damage that parents tend to do. It is the parents job to prepare the child for school, and if they cannot or will not do their part, then the kid should stay home and remain uneducated. The parents can support him until they die, and that will be just punishment for bad parenting.
If the parents don't care, the kids won't care. So why should the teachers care about the kids who don't care? They have plenty to do taking care of the ones who do care. If there is no cure for bad parenting, there sure should be punishment.

 

[Cephus]

The parents can support him until they die, and that will be just punishment for bad parenting.

But it never works out that way, parents think it's the school's duty to raise their brats for them, you'd just have the parents whining and bitching and threatening to sue because they might actually have to have something to do with raising their own children.

If there is no cure for bad parenting, there sure should be punishment.

There should, but our society has long since lost the will to use it.

 

[doughgirl]

“After all, since it goes so completely against His teachings on the subject, it can only be described as anti-Christ. I do believe Jesus said in Matthew 6.6 to pray behind closed doors in private and not make a show of things. This politically motivated poem is devised to undermine His teachings by encouraging prayer as a public spectacle to be mouthed for the ears of men rather than a private conversation with God.”

Why don’t you look up what the Great Commission is. The Bible teaches that all Christians have a duty to be salt and light to the surrounding culture (Mt. 5:13-16) and that Christians should witness to their neighbors.

So I am not to mention that I am a Christian and I should not spread the gospel to those who don’t know Christ?

This is just a prayer to show how bad things have gotten. How society has changed. I have no clue who wrote it.

“This poem was obviously penned by a modern day pharisee, and I would think it incumbent on any Christian to learn how to recognize when something supports His teachings and when it doesn't. He warned His followers to beware wolves in sheep's clothing.’

I think it was written by someone who sees realistically what a god-less society we live in and how people DO NOT STAND UP FOR HIM. How people think they can live without God. IMO there is nothing in that poem that is not true. Curious what you find so wrong in that poem" Give examples.

Cephus said, “What good does it do to teach kinds the core subjects and end up having a good percentage of them become criminals, welfare recipients and worse? There was a time when morality was taught in the home, when parents cared about what their kids did and took the responsibility for disciplining them. Those days are, unfortunately, gone and someone has to do it for the good of society. Do you have any ideas who should do it if not the schools?”

Kids aren’t just learning the core subjects. And a good majority of them are becoming felons and welfare recipients and pregnant and infected with STD‘s at alarming rates. So this new humanistic system aint workin is it?
Yes, morality was taught at home and it was then enforced at school. Today it isn’t. Schools don’t get into morality. Morality was tossed out of the dictionary years ago. They don’t teach that there is a right and a wrong. Everything is right if it feels good. All in the eyes of the beholder.

“Personally, I'd rather go back to having the parents be responsible but I have no idea how to force them to do so. Do you?”

Parents should be responsible and the school should only teach core subjects. But today schools feel the need to get into everything, especially sensitivity training and lifestyle choices. All lifestyle choices are right. And if you do teach your child at home and send them to public schools good luck. Because most public school undermine many of the moral things that parents do teach at home.


See what happens when you take god out of everything.

There are many teachers who do care and God love em, because schools are tough. And I know in many school systems teachers hands are tied and they are forced to teach the crap that the NEA has on their agendas. Why would anyone want to go into teaching today? Heck with the way minimum wage has been going up a worker at McDonalds will make as much as a teacher.

Many, not all parents are to busy today to care. Both parents now work and when they don’t work they play sometimes to hard and forget little Johnny at home.
The entire family unit is breaking down and parents responsibilities have shifted to the schools. And look what our schools have turned into.

 

[UtahBill]

Christians can best show the light of Christ by living HIS teachings, quietly, and unobtrusively, and setting an example for the rest of us that makes us admire/respect them for what they do. I say HIS teachings because many Christians have much less knowledge of the teachings of Christ than they should. Too many of them have been brainwashed with the teachings of Paul taken out of context, shuffled a bit like a deck of cards, and then rearranged to suit the desires of the dealer (preacher). Many call themselves Christians, but unless they serve their fellow man as we are told to do by Christ himself, they are false Christians. Nearly all the televangilists fit that description.

Getting back on topic, a brainwashed child can attend school for 40 years and still be ignorant, because he will not believe what the schools teach if they conflict with the untruths that his parents taught him. An open mind is required if you are to become educated. Clinging to false teachings will never make a better person of any of us. Public Schools should teach only what benefits the public, and that includes morality. But morality, or civil behaviour, can be taught in the schools without getting into religion. If the parents want their kids to be taught morality in church as well, that is good. But we still need to keep churches out of our schools.
BTW, the NEA has influence ONLY in highly unionized states. The western states (exclude the left coast) pretty much ignore what the NEA says.

 

[Stace]

Christians can best show the light of Christ by living HIS teachings, quietly, and unobtrusively, and setting an example for the rest of us that makes us admire/respect them for what they do.

So true! It's funny, one of my friends just wrote something about this in her blog. She's very in tune with her spiritual side, and she's been feeling very blessed lately because many of her friends have seen how happy she and her family are with their faith, and have begun to join them at church. No nagging, no preaching at them, no trying to shove the Bible down their throats, nothing but leading by example. Heck, she even makes me consider going back to church myself.

 

[doughgirl]

“Nearly all the televangilists fit that description.”

Curious to which ones you are judging.

Who?

“No nagging, no preaching at them, no trying to shove the Bible down their throats”

No one should shove the Bible down anyones throat. But one who is a Christian should read the scriptures. How else will they know what God commands them to do, how they are to live? The Bible is God-breathed. It should be opened, it should be read. Pastors and clergy should stand on the scriptures, they shouldnt change them. Gods Word will never change.

What should be preached in your opinion? Heaven? Hell? Salvation? Sin?
Leading by example?
Whose example? Jesus or mans?

There is more in the Bible than just love your fellow man.

 

[UtahBill]

Curious to which ones you are judging.

Who?

No one should shove the Bible down anyones throat. But one who is a Christian should read the scriptures. How else will they know what God commands them to do, how they are to live? The Bible is God-breathed. It should be opened, it should be read. Pastors and clergy should stand on the scriptures, they shouldnt change them. Gods Word will never change.

What should be preached in your opinion? Heaven? Hell? Salvation? Sin?
Leading by example?
Whose example? Jesus or mans?

There is more in the Bible than just love your fellow man.

Turn on your religion station and count how many times any given preacher asks for money, and those are the ones I am "judging". funny you should use that word, as being judgemental is the biggest flaw of many "Christians".
I think I already said it, but just to make it clear. Take the words that were spoken by Jesus first, and weigh the words of the rest against what He said. Many, many of the other writers are in conflict with his words, if you take the scriptures individually. Take them in context and in conjunction with other writings on the same issue, and the result is clear. I can send you a nice little write up about grace vs. works with a long list of scriptures that demonstrates this issue. Jesus against Paul, mostly, and it is clear that the issue is not grace OR works, but grace AND works. Works alone won't do it, and grace alone will not either. Yet the preachers persist in telling us all we have to do is believe. Not true. Even most of Pauls writings support the inclusion of works.
So here is the challenge, will any protestants here read it with an open mind or just cling to the FEW scriptures that seem to say grace alone does the trick?
Man's example, if the man or woman is following the example of Christ, then the examples will be the same, no?

 

[Stace]

No one should shove the Bible down anyones throat. But one who is a Christian should read the scriptures. How else will they know what God commands them to do, how they are to live? The Bible is God-breathed. It should be opened, it should be read. Pastors and clergy should stand on the scriptures, they shouldnt change them. Gods Word will never change.

What should be preached in your opinion? Heaven? Hell? Salvation? Sin?
Leading by example?
Whose example? Jesus or mans?

There is more in the Bible than just love your fellow man.

I was talking about regular folks such as you and me. Of course pastors and other clergypersons should preach; that is, after all, their job and their calling. But I don't need other people trying to preach at me. If I want to hear a sermon, I'll go to church. If I want to know the word of God, I'll read my Bible or go to church. And if I want to discuss such matters with another, I'll initiate the conversation.