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The abortion issue paralyzing our country is easily solved.

What "other" is being harmed? No person is being harmed in an abortion and pregnancy can certainly cause potential or actual harm to the pregnant woman.
Now you're just being obtuse. I suggest you go read AL's "Human Life Protection Act," and you'll find the answer to your question.
 
Now you're just being obtuse. I suggest you go read AL's "Human Life Protection Act," and you'll find the answer to your question.
I am familiar with it. That doesn't change what I said.
 
Alabama recognizes fetal personhood. But having an abortion is not strictly prohibited there or in any other state. Apparently personhood has its limits.
Yes, but administering an abortion in AL is a crime.

The Constitution itself still does not recognize unborn personhood and it supercedes all else.
No, it does not. Suggest you also read up on the purpose of the 9th and 10th amendments. The feds do not "supersede" the states when it comes to non enumerated powers. Quite the opposite is true.
 
Why, then, do we have punishments for taking people's lives? Someone murders you --- you never had the right to live anyway, so there is no violation.
We only sometimes enact punishments for taking people's lives. Sometimes we praise the taking of lives. It's all a matter of perspective.
 
We only sometimes enact punishments for taking people's lives. Sometimes we praise the taking of lives. It's all a matter of perspective.

Why do we have punishments for it at all if no one has a right to live?
 
Because deterring people from murder helps to maintain social order and cohesion.

If no one has the right to live, then there's no upset in the social order by murdering someone.

Why do you value the life of a 3 year old over a 93 year old?
 
If no one has the right to live, then there's no upset in the social order by murdering someone.
That's not true. Some people fulfill necessary functions within society, so killing them would be destabilizing. Not fetuses though; they don't offer any value to society, and they can be easily replaced.
Why do you value the life of a 3 year old over a 93 year old?
Because a 93 year old has already lived their life, while a 3 year old is full of potential value to society. However, a 3 year old would not be as valuable as a 23 year old, because a 23 year old has more abilities. Does that make sense?
 
That's not true. Some people fulfill necessary functions within society, so killing them would be destabilizing. Not fetuses though; they don't offer any value to society, and they can be easily replaced.
Fetuses can potentially cause harm to the pregnant woman too. But I have yet to have anyone logically explain how abortion negatively affects someone or society in general. It simply does not. And you are correct, fetuses are easily replaceable. They're effectively the proverbial dime a dozen.
 
That's not true. Some people fulfill necessary functions within society, so killing them would be destabilizing.

But even if they fulfill necessary functions within society, they still have no right to live. Right?

Not fetuses though; they don't offer any value to society, and they can be easily replaced.

What does a 3 month old offer to society?

Because a 93 year old has already lived their life, while a 3 year old is full of potential value to society. However, a 3 year old would not be as valuable as a 23 year old, because a 23 year old has more abilities. Does that make sense?

What if the 3 year old is a prodigy and the 23 year old has been a heroin addict for 10 years? What if the 93 year old was Einstein or Madame Curie or Martin Luther King, Jr.?

Should our laws be written to reflect that? Murder sentences are on a sliding scale based on how "valuable" the human being was to society?
 
Why would I? The law does not determine the value of someone's life.
You wouldn't because you can't.

And the law is a collective and codified expression of the value of someone's life. For example, it's perfectly correct to say that in 18th century America the value of a black person's life was less than that of a white person. That was so because of what was and what was not legal at the time.
 
But even if they fulfill necessary functions within society, they still have no right to live. Right?
Correct.
What does a 3 month old offer to society?
Nothing.
What if the 3 year old is a prodigy and the 23 year old has been a heroin addict for 10 years? What if the 93 year old was Einstein or Madame Curie or Martin Luther King, Jr.?
Makes no difference to me.
Should our laws be written to reflect that? Murder sentences are on a sliding scale based on how "valuable" the human being was to society?
They already are. People will face different punishment, or even no punishment at all, depending on who they killed and why.
 
But even if they fulfill necessary functions within society, they still have no right to live. Right?
That's right. But at least they (hopefully) have value to society. A fetus has none.
What does a 3 month old offer to society?
Nothing!
What if the 3 year old is a prodigy and the 23 year old has been a heroin addict for 10 years? What if the 93 year old was Einstein or Madame Curie or Martin Luther King, Jr.?
"What ifs" is not an argument. If anything, it indicates a lack of a rational argument.
Should our laws be written to reflect that? Murder sentences are on a sliding scale based on how "valuable" the human being was to society?
There are already different degrees of murder. I'll bet a murder charge and sentence would likely be more severe if an important figure was murdered over an "ordinary" person.
 
You wouldn't because you can't.

And the law is a collective and codified expression of the value of someone's life. For example, it's perfectly correct to say that in 18th century America the value of a black person's life was less than that of a white person. That was so because of what was and what was not legal at the time.
So, the value of a human life can change depending on their physical location?
 
Correct.

Nothing.

If a human gives nothing to society, should they be able to be legally killed?

Makes no difference to me.

You said it did, though. You value people who provide something to society.

They already are. People will face different punishment, or even no punishment at all, depending on who they killed and why.

We're not talking about all killing -- murder. Should murder sentences be on a sliding scale based on how "valuable" the human being was to society?
 
Your complaint is not with Dobbs; it’s with the 10th amendment. Leaving an unenumerated power to the states or the people — more specifically, not the federal government — is exactly what that law states and for that reason Dobbs is entirely Constitutional where Roe never was.

As for deciding which powers and authorities belong to the people or the states, that’s for the people and the states to decide. A majority of a state’s people vote for state officials who then enact policies they agree with. If those state officials do something else, or if the people’s opinions change, that’s what elections are for. In short, we’re meant to decide our differences through a democratic process.

And that was what was so wrong with Roe. Roe said, in so many words, “We don’t care what the states or the people want. We, a majority of judges with lifetime tenure, are forbidding you the states and you the people from banning abortion before the third trimester.” They simply had no authority to enact that opinion into law.
Actually, I'll disagree with this. Some things are not for the states to decide. Freedom of speech, religion, and assembly are not up for a vote, for example. Again, no state has a right to send as a US Representative to the House who will not be at least 24 years old by traditional Western count at the time he/she takes office. And if a state government has a right to use a pregnant woman as a sex slave or involuntary servant for nine months, then I see no reason why it wouldn't have a right to remove one of your kidneys to save the life of a person who needs it.

This isn't about judges deciding. You are writing as if Roe oppressed the people by saying a woman had a right to control the inside of her sex organs and body in the interests of her own health interests as a component of her liberty and a doctor had a right to practice medicine in the interests of her good health.

The notion that anyone has a right to violate a person's health in the interests of a bunch of sadists claiming that the unborn are equal to the born is the essence of tyranny.
 
There is every probability that something like 10 people will be shot and killed this weekend on the South Side of Chicago. Neither of us know whom they will be today. Odds are their neither of us will know who they are on Monday morning, either. Yet I think it's wrong that they will have been killed. You?

We don't need to know a life in order to value it.
It isn't that the life is valued. It's that the person and the person's rights as such that are valued. Other persons don't have the right to violate a person's right to life. But a right to life doesn't exist until a person can sustain his or her own life as do the rest of us, by using common property and not abusing another person's rights to life, liberty, and property. That happens at birth.
 
If a human gives nothing to society, should they be able to be legally killed?
Are they leeching off society?
You said it did, though. You value people who provide something to society.
Providing something to society is being valuable and necessary for said society.
We're not talking about all killing -- murder. Should murder sentences be on a sliding scale based on how "valuable" the human being was to society?
It already kind of is.
 
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