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It depends who the GOP nom is. I'm #NeverTrump, so if it's him, I'll be headed Third Party.
Democrat this time around. I voted for McCain and Romney the last two elections.
I'm undecided about the IL Senate. Sen. Kirk is a great moderate candidate, however the Republican Party has been dreadful and has been completely disinterested in governing. They've been do-nothing obstacles and I don't want them to have agenda setting powers again.
It depends who the GOP nom is. I'm #NeverTrump, so if it's him, I'll be headed Third Party.
Which many if not most would say is a vote for Hillary. How do you rebut that point of view?
You're headed for a third party vote. Who got the new suit and is running this time around? :lamo
I'm voting Trump.
Depends on nominee.
If Sanders v Trump....D
If Kasich v Clinton...may be R
If Trump v Clinton...3rd, 4th, 5th or Mickey Mouse. If either of the two wins, I shall get drunk. Anyone with me? The question is, how do I stay drunk for 4 years. Perhaps I should move to CO?
Two points:
1. It is theoretically incorrect. My vote does not belong to the GOP - the Republican Party does not own me. I am no more taking anything from them if they do not earn my vote than the government is giving me money by not taxing 100% of my income.
2. It is also mathematically incorrect. Shifting my vote from Trump to Hillary has a twofer effect: -1 for Trump and +1 for Hillary. If Trump had ever had my vote (and he never did), then shifting it to Johnson, or a write-in Candidate is a -1 to Trump, but not a +1 to Hillary. So even if you were willing to state that a political party had a right to presume my vote (which they do not - as a citizen, it is their job to earn my vote, not my job to convince them to have someone I like at the top of their ticket), then the loss to a third party does not count as a "vote for Hillary", but simply as a "lost vote". Mathematically, it makes no more sense than claiming that those who don't vote at all are "voting for Hillary" or "voting for Trump".
Of course you are right with the math. But in reality, when there is choice between two people, one of which will be President, refusing to support either means that the one who should be elected will have one less vote. It isn't a matter of who owns you or your vote. Nobody owns me or my vote either.
Say the choice is between A, the less than optimum but better choice, vs B the worse choice. Those who just can't appreciate A enough to vote for him/her but who simply will not vote for B choose instead to vote for C or they don't vote at all. If enough do that, then B will win by default.
Well, again, I originally wanted Trump vs Sanders and let the voters decide the course of our nation's future. But now we have Trump vs the same old same old crooked lying politician.
Well, again, I originally wanted Trump vs Sanders and let the voters decide the course of our nation's future. But now we have Trump vs the same old same old crooked lying politician.
I wish it were possible for Bernie to run as I.
What would happen if enough of us would write him in?
The primary isn't done for the dems yet. Convince your superdelegates to vote Bernie instead of Hillary and the race for the nom is very close.
That is exactly what A and B are counting on. Pretty sad for a country this size.
A con man v. a crook. What a choice. Well, we've survived crooks before. I'm not sure we could survive a con man.
The choices really suck for this election cycle. Like worse than usual.
Of course you are right with the math. But in reality, when there is choice between two people, one of which will be President, refusing to support either means that the one who should be elected will have one less vote. It isn't a matter of who owns you or your vote. Nobody owns me or my vote either.
Say the choice is between A, the less than optimum but better choice, vs B the worse choice. Those who just can't appreciate A enough to vote for him/her but who simply will not vote for B choose instead to vote for C or they don't vote at all. If enough do that, then B will win by default.
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