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The 14th Amendment Birthright Citizenship was intended for the children of freed slaves (3 Viewers)

So why did the draft of the amendment that passed not include language that specified what you claim? How do you know that the states who ratified the amendment intended it to only be about freed slaves and now what it stated? Why do you keep repeating the same stupid claims without evidence?
I repeat, you need to understand the context and intent.
Read about why the 14th was created and passed.
It was about freed slaves.
It was not created for people who illegally crossed our border.
 
Born to American citizens = birthright citizen
Born to non-Americans citizens = no birthright citizenship
That's not what the Amendment says. It might be what you want it to say, but nothing you've provided re "context" or "intent" indicates the above (Post #273).
 
That's not what the Amendment says. It might be what you want it to say, but nothing you've provided re "context" or "intent" indicates the above (Post #273).
Why do you think that the 14th Amendment was created?
A: Do you think that it was about freed slaves.
B: Or do you think that it was about illegal migrants?

A or B?
 
Born to American citizens = birthright citizen
Born to non-Americans citizens = no birthright citizenship
That's not what the constitution says.
This is not complex
This is the context and intent.
At the time of the amendment it was about freed slaves
It was not about illegal border crosses
The word "all" means all American citizens
It does not include every person on the planet
It does not include non-citizen who illegally entered our country
The Supreme Court should correct this misinterpretation.
You seem confused. The issue is not about non-citizens or illegal immigrants. Obviously they are not citizens of this country until natuarlized. But children born here are natural born citizens regardless.
I repeat, you need to understand the context and intent.
Read about why the 14th was created and passed.
It was about freed slaves.
It was not created for people who illegally crossed our border.
It establishes rights and citizenship for ALL PERSONS BORN in the US. That is the intent of the 14th Amendment.
 
Why do you think that the 14th Amendment was created?
A: Do think that it was about freed slaves.
B: Or do you think that it was about illegal migrants?

A or B?
It was about "all persons born" or naturalized in the US. I dont know where you get the illegal immigrant idea from.
 
Why do you think that the 14th Amendment was created?
A: Do you think that it was about freed slaves.
B: Or do you think that it was about illegal migrants?

A or B?
Doesn't matter what I think about your question.

What matter is what's in the text.

What also matters: the fact you've provided nothing more than your OPINIONS re "context" and "intent".
 
It was about "all persons born" or naturalized in the US. I dont know where you get the illegal immigrant idea from.
You need to read about why the 14th Amendment was created.
It was about protecting freed slaves.
When it says all born, it means all born from American citizens.
The slaves were American citizens.
It had no intent to include non-citizens.
That has come from a misinterpretation of the meaning.
They were talking about American citizens, not non-citizens.
 
That's nice. Prove it!
The 13th, 14th and 15th Amendment are known collectively as "The Civil War Amendments" or "The Reconstruction Amendments," all passed in the same three year period after the Civil War. The Civil War was fought to bring an end to slavery. The 13th Amendment prohibits slavery. The 14th Amendment guaranteed equal rights for former slaves. The 15th Amendment guaranteed the right to vote for former slaves. All three are devoted to correcting the injustice against former slaves and protecting their equal rights in the future.

Figure it out.
 
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The 13th, 14th and 15th Amendment are known collectively as "The Civil War Amendments" or "The Reconstruction Amendments," all passed in the same three year period after the Civil War. The Civil War was fought to bring an end to slavery. The 13th Amendment prohibits slavery. The 14th Amendment guaranteed equal rights for former slaves. The 15th Amendment guaranteed the right to vote for former slaves. All three are devoted to correcting the injustice against former slaves.

Figure it out.
The 14th establishes rights and citizenship for "all persons born or naturalized." There, simple enough.
 
Doesn't matter what I think about your question.

What matter is what's in the text.

What also matters: the fact you've provided nothing more than your OPINIONS re "context" and "intent".
Have you read the 14th amendment and about why it was created?
 
Doesn't matter what I think about your question.

What matter is what's in the text.

What also matters: the fact you've provided nothing more than your OPINIONS re "context" and "intent".
The answer is A.
 
You need to read about why the 14th Amendment was created.
It was about protecting freed slaves.
When it says all born, it means all born from American citizens.
The slaves were American citizens.
It had no intent to include non-citizens.
That has come from a misinterpretation of the meaning.
They were talking about American citizens, not non-citizens.
You offered nothing to support your assertion the 14th applied to those born from American citizens. Provide a SCOTUS case ruling on thet intent of the 14th Amendment! Until you do, it is nothing more than your own opinion.
 
Have you read the 14th amendment and about why it was created?
Doesn't matter what others think about "intent". What matters is this: text and interpretation by the Supreme Court of the United States.

Could be the SCOTUS might decide that "all" doesn't mean "all". But, unless and until that happens, "all" sure as heck means "all".

Or, unless and until there's an Amendment to the Constitution that replaces or clarifies the Amendment in question (the 14th), "all" means "all".

This is the way our system works, whether you like it or not.
 
I repeat, you need to understand the context and intent.
Read about why the 14th was created and passed.
It was about freed slaves.
It was not created for people who illegally crossed our border.

It was explicitly created for ”all persons born or naturalized in the United States.”

Furthermore, no one born here crossed our borders illegally. The birth canal is a legal port of entry.
 
It was explicitly created for ”all persons born or naturalized in the United States.”

Furthermore, no one born here crossed our borders illegally. The birth canal is a legal port of entry.
Why was the 14th Amendment created?
 
The 14th establishes rights and citizenship for "all persons born or naturalized." There, simple enough.
If the Constitution were "simple," we wouldn't need the Supreme Court. Of equal importance to the words are the legislative history and Congressional intent. I don't know how SCOTUS will decide, but I know that the "simple minded" objections on the left ignore a great deal.
 
If the Constitution were "simple," we wouldn't need the Supreme Court. Of equal importance to the words are the legislative history and Congressional intent. I don't know how SCOTUS will decide, but I know that the "simple minded" objections on the left ignore a great deal.
What does left or right have to do with anything? Or are you just making assumptions or sweeping generalizations? Regardless, the text is clear. Cite where the SCOTUS ruled on the intent of the 14th!
 
Why was the 14th Amendment created?

To remedy the fact that some people were not being granted the rights of citizenship, despite having been born here.

It was meant to broadly address any and all such cases, not just freed slaves. If it were meant to exclusively address freed slaves, it would explicitly apply to freed slaves, instead of applying to ”all persons born or naturalized in the United States.”
 
This is not complex
This is the context and intent.
At the time of the amendment it was about freed slaves
It was not about illegal border crosses
The word "all" means all American citizens
It does not include every person on the planet
It does not include non-citizen who illegally entered our country
The Supreme Court should correct this misinterpretation.

What does the law say?
 
What does left or right have to do with anything?
That's easy. Those people here on the left are almost all saying the same words. It's obvious who they are and that they support illegal immigration, probably because Biden did it. They are uniformly opposed to regulation of any sort on immigration. The left/right division is very sharply drawn.
Cite where the SCOTUS ruled on the intent of the 14th!
In 1898 they ruled that a child born here to non-citizens was a citizen and, in their reasoning, made a point of the fact that his parents had been resident here and, "That, at the time of his said birth, his mother and father were domiciled residents of the United States, and had established and enjoyed a permanent domicil and residence therein at said city and county of San Francisco." That fact, not typical of today's illegal aliens, must have meant something to the Justices.
 
If the Constitution were "simple," we wouldn't need the Supreme Court. Of equal importance to the words are the legislative history and Congressional intent. I don't know how SCOTUS will decide, but I know that the "simple minded" objections on the left ignore a great deal.
None of us knows whether trump's attempt to E. O. a change to the 14th Amendment will end up being decided by the SCOTUS. Or how the current Supreme Court would rule.

In the meantime, the Amendment stands as written.
 
That's easy. Those people here on the left are almost all saying the same words. It's obvious who they are and that they support illegal immigration, probably because Biden did it. They are uniformly opposed to regulation of any sort on immigration. The left/right division is very sharply drawn.

In 1898 they ruled that a child born here to non-citizens was a citizen and, in their reasoning, made a point of the fact that his parents had been resident here and, "That, at the time of his said birth, his mother and father were domiciled residents of the United States, and had established and enjoyed a permanent domicil and residence therein at said city and county of San Francisco." That fact, not typical of today's illegal aliens, must have meant something to the Justices.
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It's very easy to "say the same words", when one is citing the text of the Amendment in question.
 
It's very easy to "say the same words", when one is citing the text of the Amendment in question.
It's also easy to say the same one word when one doesn't consider any other interpretation. It's easy to tell the future, too. If the USSC decides as I think they should, you on the left will caterwaul about "Trump's Judges" or some other such political whining.
 
None of us knows whether trump's attempt to E. O. a change to the 14th Amendment will end up being decided by the SCOTUS.
Since they're going to hear arguments on the case in a few days, it's a pretty good bet they'll decide it. (The purpose of the E.O. was to be sued so that SCOTUS would decide the issue.)
 

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