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Thanks to Idiots demands police refrain from using deadly force, a woman died.

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https://www.dailynews.com/2018/06/1...-stabbed-in-van-nuys-by-man-killed-by-police/
[FONT=&quot]Authorities Friday released the name of a woman who police say was stabbed to death by a man fatally shot by police officers during a brief standoff in Van Nuys.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Officers were sent to the 6400 block of Tyrone Avenue about 1:10 p.m. Saturday on a report that a man was holding a knife to a woman, the Los Angeles Police Department said.[/FONT]

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If you wish to view the body cam footage, please beware it is graphic.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=kH1I8_1533049578

So what happened. A man was reported with a knife, police respond and he comes towards them. Demanding he drop the knife, he refuses. they use less than lethal methods (bean bag gun) and the man is able to grab a near by bystander, slit her throat and kill her before the officers take him down.

THIS is what we can expect more of as this insanity about "POLICE VIOLENCE" continues. An innocent woman dead, because the police were afraid to use lethal force.
 
From just the body vids I would say lethal force is justified. I feel for the family of the murdered woman.
 
https://www.dailynews.com/2018/06/1...-stabbed-in-van-nuys-by-man-killed-by-police/


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If you wish to view the body cam footage, please beware it is graphic.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=kH1I8_1533049578

So what happened. A man was reported with a knife, police respond and he comes towards them. Demanding he drop the knife, he refuses. they use less than lethal methods (bean bag gun) and the man is able to grab a near by bystander, slit her throat and kill her before the officers take him down.

THIS is what we can expect more of as this insanity about "POLICE VIOLENCE" continues. An innocent woman dead, because the police were afraid to use lethal force.

your OP says absolutely nothing to support your bull**** narrative

Officers were dispatched about 1:10 p.m. Saturday to the 6400 block of Tyrone Avenue, where the man was holding woman at knifepoint, the Los Angeles Police Department reported.

“Officers were forced to take action,” LAPD Sgt. Frank Preciado told ABC7.

The man, in his 30s, died at a hospital about 1:45 p.m. Saturday, said coroner’s Assistant Chief Ed Winter. His name was withheld, pending notification of relatives.
 
Didnt watch video but if there was any danger to public safety they shouldnt have waited to use lethal force.

Tueller Drill. Doesnt have to be a charge towards the person holding the firearm.

And people are idiots for remaining frozen in place or gawking during situations like that. (I didnt watch so I dont know if the woman killed could have left the area or not).
 
From just the body vids I would say lethal force is justified. I feel for the family of the murdered woman.

I wasn't sure till I saw the video it was like "Oh NO!" and she was dead, just like that.
 
your OP says absolutely nothing to support your bull**** narrative

Watch the video, or keep making the mistake thinking you have a clue. I don't care either way, anyone that watches the body cam will realize how you are in the wrong here.
 
Didnt watch video but if there was any danger to public safety they shouldnt have waited to use lethal force.

Tueller Drill. Doesnt have to be a charge towards the person holding the firearm.

And people are idiots for remaining frozen in place or gawking during situations like that. (I didnt watch so I dont know if the woman killed could have left the area or not).

She was standing beside a building and didn't move, she has some small blame here in the sense she should have gotten the hell out of the area but...
 
https://www.dailynews.com/2018/06/1...-stabbed-in-van-nuys-by-man-killed-by-police/


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If you wish to view the body cam footage, please beware it is graphic.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=kH1I8_1533049578

So what happened. A man was reported with a knife, police respond and he comes towards them. Demanding he drop the knife, he refuses. they use less than lethal methods (bean bag gun) and the man is able to grab a near by bystander, slit her throat and kill her before the officers take him down.

THIS is what we can expect more of as this insanity about "POLICE VIOLENCE" continues. An innocent woman dead, because the police were afraid to use lethal force.

Sounds like a no win situation for the police. I’m sure they’ll be criticized for not using lethal force soon enough, but if they had, they’d be accused of being trigger happy killers, which may still happen.
 
That was a full on **** show. Bystanders all over the place, the woman never moved even when the situation got real. "Less than lethal" was really the only choice at the time as a matter of bystander safety. I can't really fault the cops and pulling the trigger when all they could see was the guy's head behind his hostage would have been a serious pucker moment.

That's going to be a tough one for those cops to get past.
 
Sounds like a no win situation for the police. I’m sure they’ll be criticized for not using lethal force soon enough, but if they had, they’d be accused of being trigger happy killers, which may still happen.

A woman died because of the stupidity of mob outrage, generally without facts.
 
Watch the video, or keep making the mistake thinking you have a clue. I don't care either way, anyone that watches the body cam will realize how you are in the wrong here.

A rather common mistake for that poster.
 
A woman died because of the stupidity of mob outrage, generally without facts.

I doubt that incident had much to do with the cops thinking about public outrage. They can't see the future any better than you or I can and 99 times out of a hundred the guy with the knife is going to be more focused on them than any bystanders. Less than lethal was the right choice in that moment but all incidents are made up of moments and fractions of moments where things can change a lot.
 
I doubt that incident had much to do with the cops thinking about public outrage. They can't see the future any better than you or I can and 99 times out of a hundred the guy with the knife is going to be more focused on them than any bystanders. Less than lethal was the right choice in that moment but all incidents are made up of moments and fractions of moments where things can change a lot.

Maybe you are right, but with all the public "outrage" with so many shootings, I bet it did alter their actions.
 
https://www.dailynews.com/2018/06/1...-stabbed-in-van-nuys-by-man-killed-by-police/


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If you wish to view the body cam footage, please beware it is graphic.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=kH1I8_1533049578

So what happened. A man was reported with a knife, police respond and he comes towards them. Demanding he drop the knife, he refuses. they use less than lethal methods (bean bag gun) and the man is able to grab a near by bystander, slit her throat and kill her before the officers take him down.

THIS is what we can expect more of as this insanity about "POLICE VIOLENCE" continues. An innocent woman dead, because the police were afraid to use lethal force.

The complaints that have filled news stories over the past lustrum or so pertain to cops using undue violence.







What you've highlighted is a scenario in which a suspect wielding a knife was proximate to someone else and the cops inaptly assessed the situation they faced. The suspect clearly to the cops had a knife and he was in the vicinity of bystanders.


Nobody takes exception with cops using deadly force when it's warranted. Doing so and being able to tell when to do so and when not to do so is part of what cops must be capable of doing and doing well. The problem is that too few cops are adept at assessing the nature of a situation and assailant.

To be sure, it's not easy to aptly assess certain situations, yet doing so better and and with vastly greater aplomb is the expectation up to which cops must perform. That it's not easy militates for our upping the psychology training and mastery requirements as goes the theory and application to the kinds of situations and cops encounter. Yes, cops must be adept at using force, but they must be even more adept at assessing when to use it, how much to use and when not to use force.

In short, 21st century policing requires officers to have and exhibit more skills and abilities than it used to. It used to be that if a cop said events transpired "thus," that's how they happened. In these days of ubiquitous video and audio, we're observing that policing in accordance with our country's standards of jurisprudence is simply beyond the capacity of many a person with but a high school degree and training in how to use weapons and command people to do XYZ.

Exacerbating the matter is seniority and promotion model used in police forces. That model obliges the least experienced cops to face the most challenging situations. That's like tasking the fresh-out-of-med-school doctor with taking the lead in performing open heart surgery. Moreover, upon developing extensive experience in managing the most complex situations that comprise the day-to-day of policing, they are then promoted to positions wherein they either face no such scenarios, or they are "trotted out" to face predominantly exceptional situations.

Policing is like many other careers: it needs a variety of types of people:
  • Officers who enjoy and want to ply their trade working a beat. These folks don't want to manage the administration of a police force; they want to police and they're good at doing so it. They read people and tense situations really well, they're good at diffusing situations, they excellent marksmen, etc. These are what some might call "high EQ" people.
  • Officer who have some experience on a beat, but they really don't want to be on patrol. These are folks who are good at abstract organizational management who are only so-so on the "EQ" side of things. These are the cops who should move into police force management rather than remain in policing. The cops who transition into this aspect of policing and who don't produce demonstrable results -- operational improvements that benefit the community -- should be return to beat patrol where they're given a couple years to get up to quality of the "high EQ" guys whereafter if they don't they are let go. Alternatively, if they don't "work out" as police administrators, they can leave the police force and not return to the beat patrol.
The military has figured out that not all service members want to be or are good at combat, yet there is a need for non-combat enlisted and commissioned personnel. Why police departments haven't figured that out and overwhelmingly implemented career paths in accordance with that is anybody's guess.
 
The complaints that have filled news stories over the past lustrum or so pertain to cops using undue violence.







What you've highlighted is a scenario in which a suspect wielding a knife was proximate to someone else and the cops inaptly assessed the situation they faced. The suspect clearly to the cops had a knife and he was in the vicinity of bystanders.


Nobody takes exception with cops using deadly force when it's warranted. Doing so and being able to tell when to do so and when not to do so is part of what cops must be capable of doing and doing well. The problem is that too few cops are adept at assessing the nature of a situation and assailant.

To be sure, it's not easy to aptly assess certain situations, yet doing so better and and with vastly greater aplomb is the expectation up to which cops must perform. That it's not easy militates for our upping the psychology training and mastery requirements as goes the theory and application to the kinds of situations and cops encounter. Yes, cops must be adept at using force, but they must be even more adept at assessing when to use it, how much to use and when not to use force.

In short, 21st century policing requires officers to have and exhibit more skills and abilities than it used to. It used to be that if a cop said events transpired "thus," that's how they happened. In these days of ubiquitous video and audio, we're observing that policing in accordance with our country's standards of jurisprudence is simply beyond the capacity of many a person with but a high school degree and training in how to use weapons and command people to do XYZ.

Exacerbating the matter is seniority and promotion model used in police forces. That model obliges the least experienced cops to face the most challenging situations. That's like tasking the fresh-out-of-med-school doctor with taking the lead in performing open heart surgery. Moreover, upon developing extensive experience in managing the most complex situations that comprise the day-to-day of policing, they are then promoted to positions wherein they either face no such scenarios, or they are "trotted out" to face predominantly exceptional situations.

Policing is like many other careers: it needs a variety of types of people:
  • Officers who enjoy and want to ply their trade working a beat. These folks don't want to manage the administration of a police force; they want to police and they're good at doing so it. They read people and tense situations really well, they're good at diffusing situations, they excellent marksmen, etc. These are what some might call "high EQ" people.
  • Officer who have some experience on a beat, but they really don't want to be on patrol. These are folks who are good at abstract organizational management who are only so-so on the "EQ" side of things. These are the cops who should move into police force management rather than remain in policing. The cops who transition into this aspect of policing and who don't produce demonstrable results -- operational improvements that benefit the community -- should be return to beat patrol where they're given a couple years to get up to quality of the "high EQ" guys whereafter if they don't they are let go. Alternatively, if they don't "work out" as police administrators, they can leave the police force and not return to the beat patrol.
The military has figured out that not all service members want to be or are good at combat, yet there is a need for non-combat enlisted and commissioned personnel. Why police departments haven't figured that out and overwhelmingly implemented career paths in accordance with that is anybody's guess.


You are one of the people who make our streets less safe
 
You are one of the people who make our streets less safe

While it's kind of you to try to make the discussion about me -- I'm flattered that you did -- I'm sure I'm not who or what people here want to discussion. TY all the same.
 
can't see the video...
 
Demanding he drop the knife, he refuses. they use less than lethal methods (bean bag gun) and the man is able to grab a nearby bystander, slit her throat and kill her before the officers take him down.

If the man was coming at the police with a knife they were more than within their rights to shoot him. The police officer's lack of training, and ability to decern when lethal force is truly necessary is not anybody's fault, but their own.

If I have to choose between a madman killing an innocent, and then himself getting killed vs an innocent man getting killed by police, and the police getting away with it I will choose the former. Both are tragedies, but at least the blood is on the mad man's hands not our own.
 
You are one of the people who make our streets less safe

isn't it funny that those who push for laws that mean only cops can be legally armed in our civilian society, are the same people who complain the most about cops using deadly force?
 
isn't it funny that those who push for laws that mean only cops can be legally armed in our civilian society, are the same people who complain the most about cops using deadly force?

I remember once someone, maybe Calamity or Vegas made the comment that if guns are banned cops wouldn't need guns anymore.
 
She was standing beside a building and didn't move, she has some small blame here in the sense she should have gotten the hell out of the area but...

Very sad.
 
So, basically, it's better for the government to kill innocent people than criminals.
 
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