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Thanks for not raping us, all you ‘good men.’ But it’s not enough.

YorkshirePete said:
Not really applicable to this old white fart forum where our white boys can't remember the last time they got it up.
All sucking off their socialist SS Medicare VA benefits
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I guess it's a good thing then that we also have "black boys" on board then who can remember when they last got it up. :roll:

Seriously, do you realize how nasty and hateful and bitter you sound here?
 
Mithrae said:
Sure, it was a golden age of peace, love and prosperity. No-one sent their kids off to be distanced from familial love for months on end at boarding schools. There was no social stigma to divorce at all, and women's entirely equal education and career prospects further proves that they stuck together because they were happy marriages. Things like abuse and teen pregnancies were never hushed up or under-reported, they really were just a better type of humans back then.

Seriously, let's not romanticize the past. The 21st century has its own major societal challenges to deal with, some new and some just more visible now, but wistfully looking back and ignoring the progress we've made in many areas won't solve anything.
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But the thing is that this "progress" does not include the stability of the nuclear family, which was a major point that Vesper was making.
 
She does not represent me as a woman and I am embarrassed for her and women who think like her. She hates men, more than likely because they have never found her attractive so she has to settle for other, unattractive women to share life. Such ugliness!
 
nota bene said:
But the thing is that this "progress" does not include the stability of the nuclear family, which was a major point that Vesper was making.
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Nuclear families aren't the be-all and end-all of human social structures. But I suspect we're heading back in that direction with moves toward recognition of gay marriages, improving sexual education/contraceptive access, and a growing disillusionment with the hollow promises of materialism/consumerism/capitalism. Marriages based purely or primarily on teen pregnancy, or a misguided effort to 'fix' one's orientation were always going to be recipes for mediocrity, at best. And the 'me first,' earn-and-buy culture into which we've been indoctrinated for decades has had many people over-prioritizing careers and status ahead of family.
 
trixare4kids said:
Boy talk. Doesn't mean we should criminalize "words." Seems to me that we are forgetting that actions speak louder than words.
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Excusing "boy talk" which is actually defaming and demeaning women is part of the problem. A simple action of stating those words are unacceptable would be an excellent start to solving the problem.
 
PirateMk1 said:
I have heard women talk when they think no man is around, men are tame and boring comparatively speaking. I was a fly on the wall, the experience was, shall we say, enlightening.
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I've never questioned that there are jerks representing all genders.
 
JMR said:
Excusing "boy talk" which is actually defaming and demeaning women is part of the problem. A simple action of stating those words are unacceptable would be an excellent start to solving the problem.
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As long as the boy talk remains talk between boys, what's the problem? How does boy talk you are not privy to hearing demean you? You and the other SJW don't have the right not to be offended.
Sorry.
 
trixare4kids said:
As long as the boy talk remains talk between boys, what's the problem? How does boy talk you are not privy to hearing demean you? You and the other SJW don't have the right not to be offended.
Sorry.
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How does it demean you? Perhaps when you are leered at by people you barely know. How is it "fine" for a woman's reputation to be dragged through the mud, yet you muster up crocodile tears for judge Brett? Ask Renate what she thinks.

As usual resort to your name calling to defend a sad position. I don't belong to a group. I cannot translate "don't have the right not be offended" Obvious typo somewhere, but who knows where.

If you have a daughter, I hope she is never the subject of the kind of hurtful talk you seem so interested in defending. I have seen the psychological and emotional damage victims of this "boy talk" have experienced. It is also telling that you choose to infantilize the "men" that do this. Like it's a farting game, or some such stupid occupation.

Real men do not do this, and real men would call it out.
 
JMR said:
How does it demean you? Perhaps when you are leered at by people you barely know. How is it "fine" for a woman's reputation to be dragged through the mud, yet you muster up crocodile tears for judge Brett? Ask Renate what she thinks.

As usual resort to your name calling to defend a sad position. I don't belong to a group. I cannot translate "don't have the right not be offended" Obvious typo somewhere, but who knows where.

If you have a daughter, I hope she is never the subject of the kind of hurtful talk you seem so interested in defending. I have seen the psychological and emotional damage victims of this "boy talk" have experienced. It is also telling that you choose to infantilize the "men" that do this. Like it's a farting game, or some such stupid occupation.

Real men do not do this, and real men would call it out.
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Now you are talking about something altogether differently than what was discussed above.
 
JMR said:
You need to update your definition of consent. IMO. What does "lets him" mean?
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Is that really something you do not know.

Let is consent.
 
Thanks for not raping us, all you ‘good men.
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Umm.....thank you?

I think....
 
Lutherf said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/10/12/thanks-not-raping-us-all-you-good-men-its-not-enough/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.95cb224c2bc8

This seems to be what the author is pissed off about -


At the risk of being yelled at, if I'm a good guy and I don't assault women the odds are that I don't hang around with guys that do assault women. That being the case, I really don't have anyone to yell at. I suppose I could go around yelling at random people who look like they might be a sexual predator but if I did that then I would no longer be a good guy. I'd be a lunatic.

I'm not really sure what the author expects men to do. Heck, I'm not sure that the author knows what SHE expects men to do.
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Unfortunately it has got to the point where a woman who was touched on the knee thirty years ago considers herself assaulted. I have the utmost contempt for men who genuinely assault women, but at the same time I detest feminists
 
Mason66 said:
Is that really something you do not know.

Let is consent.
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Say if a person is flirting with another, perhaps even mutual flirting, then suddenly grab or strokes the other's genitals without asking, permission or even prior indication of intent. But the strokee's initial shock is smoothly glossed over/laughed away by yhe stroker and - perhaps because of the power gap between the two - no formal complaint is ever lodged.

That seems entirely compatible with "let you grab them..."

Would you call it consent?
 
Lutherf said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/10/12/thanks-not-raping-us-all-you-good-men-its-not-enough/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.95cb224c2bc8

This seems to be what the author is pissed off about -


At the risk of being yelled at, if I'm a good guy and I don't assault women the odds are that I don't hang around with guys that do assault women. That being the case, I really don't have anyone to yell at. I suppose I could go around yelling at random people who look like they might be a sexual predator but if I did that then I would no longer be a good guy. I'd be a lunatic.

I'm not really sure what the author expects men to do. Heck, I'm not sure that the author knows what SHE expects men to do.
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I call BS. Most men are pigs regarding women. All men know this.

I can prove this to you easily with a thought experiment. Imagine a very beautiful woman with huge breasts shows up in an office. Now imagine there are no sexual harassment laws or policies. We all know what would happen.
 
Lutherf said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/10/12/thanks-not-raping-us-all-you-good-men-its-not-enough/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.95cb224c2bc8

This seems to be what the author is pissed off about -


At the risk of being yelled at, if I'm a good guy and I don't assault women the odds are that I don't hang around with guys that do assault women. That being the case, I really don't have anyone to yell at. I suppose I could go around yelling at random people who look like they might be a sexual predator but if I did that then I would no longer be a good guy. I'd be a lunatic.

I'm not really sure what the author expects men to do. Heck, I'm not sure that the author knows what SHE expects men to do.
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Well, it might mean any number of things. One of the things it might mean is that if for example a credible woman comes forward with sexual assault allegations, you do not automatically start claiming that the evil liberals and Democrats conspired with her to fabricate those allegations. In fact, you actively confront people who automatically start claiming such things.

It might also apply to calling out other broader misogyny, to attaching consequences for it to other men.


:shrug:
 
Kal'Stang said:
If I were that womans husband I would be seriously thinking about separating. When someone, ANYONE, acts like she claims to have acted it is good to separate yourself from them as they have become unhinged. The moment that someone started yelling at me like that, blaming me for things beyond my control, I would have walked out the door.
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Kal, I love ya man, but have you met a modern progressive male? That's the ONLY kind of man that would marry someone like that, or another progressive female..

Tim-
 
YorkshirePete said:
Not really applicable to this old white fart forum where our white boys can't remember the last time they got it up.
All sucking off their socialist SS Medicare VA benefits
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That’s only because the memory goes first.
 
Mason66 said:
Is that really something you do not know.

Let is consent.
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That is where you are confused. Consent occurs BEFORE any grabbing. Without that, "lets him" boils down to what options are available and does not translate into consent.
 
JMR said:
This is precisely what we have been discussing. Glad to see you've come around.
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Drop the condescending tone in your posts, and you might even be surprised if you should draw a crowd.
 
JMR said:
Is this step two in your back away plan?
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Do you even remember what you were arguing?

Doesn't look like you are intent on following the original discussion between us but I already said that, so I won't be wasting anymore of my time here.

Adiós muchacha
 
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