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Thank you, Mr. Donald Trump.

Mycroft said:
As I said, you should be thanking Trump for exposing the control and corruption we've been living with for the past 40 years or so.

I'm talking about these "usual practices" you speak of.
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You mean the false claims of election fraud or the non-existent 'deep state?'
I have to love the guy who's a billionaire, has his own golf resorts, a penthouse in Manhattan and private jet always claiming grievances and that he's held down, while also claiming "elections are rigged, unless I win."
 
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snakestretcher said:
Yes, it's clear that the US is in desperate need of electoral reform. I propose the following:
Scrap the entirely undemocratic Electoral College.
Ban corporate and lobby group campaign 'donations' (bribes).
Limit private donations with a maximum cap.
Ban negative advertising about the opposition.
Give equal but limited airtime to candidates to lay out their manifesto.
Encourage the adoption of additional political parties.
Put an end to the guy with the most money getting the top job.
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Hi, snakestretcher!

That's quite a laundry list. When I try to winkle out those proposals which have a chance of making it through the gauntlet of actual constitutional amendment, said gauntlet being a path through the two major parties, I find the list has decreased more than somewhat.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.
 
Torus34 said:
Hi, snakestretcher!

That's quite a laundry list. When I try to winkle out those proposals which have a chance of making it through the gauntlet of actual constitutional amendment, said gauntlet being a path through the two major parties, I find the list has decreased more than somewhat.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.
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Well, with the exception of an Electoral College which we don't have, that's the way it works in Britain.
 
Mycroft said:
You are correct in thanking Trump. Without him, we would still be unaware of just how much our government is controlled by a relative handful of individuals. He flushed them out by doing nothing more than threatening their money and power sources.

But if you think altering our Constitution will correct the problem, you are wrong. We should be adhering to our constitution and strictly enforcing our laws.
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**** the lying, thieving childish prick Trump.
Trump overloaded the swamp with his own thieves.
 
Mycroft said:
As I said, you should be thanking Trump for exposing the control and corruption we've been living with for the past 40 years or so.

I'm talking about these "usual practices" you speak of.
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Exactly who did he flush out, on what grounds and to what result? Who has been outed and punished?

All I saw was the orange shit gibbon, as another poster so eloquently put it, flail around for four years, get half his cabinet and campaign arrested, fleece the public and the GOP by directing their money to his businesses, deliberately drop the ball on a pandemic, lose a ****ing election and waddle back to his gaudy resort with his tail between his fat legs.

Again, what corruption specifically did he expose, who suffered the consequences and how is business any different from usual as a result?
 
Torus34 said:
The presidency of Mr. Donald Trump and its aftermath have done a great service to these United States of America. That service was to bring the relative fragility of our republic form of constitutional democracy to the attention of the American public. It's well past time for our Constitution and the thoughts of those who drafted it and acted as its apologists to be carefully examined and the implicit warnings heeded.

Stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.

Season's best to all.
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For this to be in the "Breaking News" section, shouldn't there be breaking news -- at least even a linked article?
 
MTAtech said:
For this to be in the "Breaking News" section, shouldn't there be breaking news -- at least even a linked article?
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Hi, MTAtech!

You are absolutely correct!

I've requested that the thread be moved to the general political section.

Regards, and thank you for the alert!
 
Mycroft said:
You are correct in thanking Trump. Without him, we would still be unaware of just how much our government is controlled by a relative handful of individuals. He flushed them out by doing nothing more than threatening their money and power sources.

But if you think altering our Constitution will correct the problem, you are wrong. We should be adhering to our constitution and strictly enforcing our laws.
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I would like it to be amended so that politicians get the same wages as someone in the private sector, term limits of no more than 6 years for any office, no lunches, dinners, holidays with businesses, no donations of more than a thousand from any individual or corporation.
 
uptower said:
Exactly who did he flush out, on what grounds and to what result? Who has been outed and punished?

All I saw was the orange shit gibbon, as another poster so eloquently put it, flail around for four years, get half his cabinet and campaign arrested, fleece the public and the GOP by directing their money to his businesses, deliberately drop the ball on a pandemic, lose a ****ing election and waddle back to his gaudy resort with his tail between his fat legs.

Again, what corruption specifically did he expose, who suffered the consequences and how is business any different from usual as a result?
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Mycroft is still buying the BS that Trump was draining the swamp. It took me awhile to realize that Trump supporters defined the "swamp" very differently from the way I did. I simply misunderstood what they meant, and I think a lot of us liberals did too.

I had thought the "swamp" was about self-dealing insiders who profited from their connections in government by pulling strings for their own private benefit or profit. But I now realize that's not what they meant at all. They meant "government officials who help people I don't like" or policy makers that help "Those People."

That's why it didn't faze Trump supporters at all when he filled the government with lobbyists and corporate executives who directly benefited from their regulatory decisions, or when he relaxed or simply ignored ethics laws and regulations. It didn't matter to them that cabinet members were investing in stocks that rose based on the cabinet secretary's decision or the president's daughter made deals with China and granting her licenses just as her father is deciding on sanctions for Chinese companies -- or when foreign governments booked rooms in the president's hotels to bestow favor.

That wasn't the swamp to them. Instead, the swamp is government employees who write regulations to help poor people, or prevent discrimination, or keep corporations from poisoning the air and water. It doesn't matter whether those are civil service employees who'll never earn an extra dime due to the decisions they make. They're still the "swamp." And Trump did absolutely clear THAT swamp.
 
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snakestretcher said:
Yes, it's clear that the US is in desperate need of electoral reform. I propose the following:
Scrap the entirely undemocratic Electoral College.
Ban corporate and lobby group campaign 'donations' (bribes).
Limit private donations with a maximum cap.
Ban negative advertising about the opposition.
Give equal but limited airtime to candidates to lay out their manifesto.
Encourage the adoption of additional political parties.
Put an end to the guy with the most money getting the top job.
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Well that's no fun! How can the oligarchs and religious fundamentalists rig elections with all of these little rules?!
 
Acadia said:
That lawyer who falsified official documents (re: Carter Page) to get a FISA warrant to spy on Trump's campaign, just got his good standing restored so he can practice law.
There are 2 sets of rules and THAT is another thing Trump exposed.
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The DC swamp doesn't hold it's own members accountable, leading to a bifurcated justice system.

justthenews.com

D.C. Bar yet to disbar ex-FBI attorney guilty of altering doc to wiretap Trump campaign adviser

U.S. government prosecutors are seeking prison time for Clinesmith, who will be sentenced Friday
justthenews.com justthenews.com

www.foxnews.com

Ex-FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith given probation after guilty plea in John Durham probe

Former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith was sentenced to 12 months probation and 400 hours of community service Friday after pleading guilty to making a false statement in the first criminal case arising from Special Counsel John Durham’s investigation into the origins of the Trump-Russia probe.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

www.realclearinvestigations.com

Accused in Justice Dept.'s Upper Echelon, and Innocent Until Scot-Free | RealClearInvestigations

Above, a crime lab depicted in the trailer for 1959's
www.realclearinvestigations.com www.realclearinvestigations.com
 
Quag said:
Yeah it did the certification was delayed by the failed insurrection
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Whatever.

It's still the fear of bedwetters. Our Republic is not fragile or easily overthrown.
 
Mycroft said:
The fact that you don't know who they are only illustrates that you either suffer from lack of knowledge or pretend not to know things.

This shows just how effective their control of the government really is.
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Then please name names. You have been vague in many post of who these people are.

So tell us. I will check it against the list of names I know.
 
Mycroft said:
As I said, you should be thanking Trump for exposing the control and corruption we've been living with for the past 40 years or so.

I'm talking about these "usual practices" you speak of.
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OMG

You are a hoot!

I have absolutely no mere shred of any reason to be thanking the orange shit gibbon aka donny trump.

Nor does any other, like me, sane, rational and politically well informed person.

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Mycroft said:
You are correct in thanking Trump. Without him, we would still be unaware of just how much our government is controlled by a relative handful of individuals. He flushed them out by doing nothing more than threatening their money and power sources.

But if you think altering our Constitution will correct the problem, you are wrong. We should be adhering to our constitution and strictly enforcing our laws.
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He didn’t flush anyone out.

Right wing talk radio America has been believing variations of this deep state mythology for generations. Trump just gave it a new title, and a slogan for his mindless followers to chant. The far right has always manufactured deliberately vague conspiracy theories about how they are helpless in a world secretly controlled by an all seeing, all knowing elite. They have been variously described as the black helicopter guys, trilaterals, the New World Order. And before that as the Learned Elders of Zion.

Trump just took the old nativist trope and dressed it up with a new label. And suckers in his flock of sheep accept this as real and act as if he actually did something.

Indeed, he did his very best to cash in,

And his son in law saw it as his primary mission.

thehill.com

Kushner investment firm raises more than $3B: report

Jared Kushner’s new investment fund, Affinity Partners, has raised over $3 billion in committed funding from international investors, Reuters reported Thursday.Kushner, a former top Whit…
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Mycroft said:
???

Who says the President has to get permission from the DOJ to pardon someone?

Now see? THIS is a very good example of what I've been talking about: People tried making up offenses and laws to put Trump in jail...many times. They failed.
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The shoe was on the other foot with guys like you when Clinton pardoned Marc Rich.
 
Torus34 said:
The presidency of Mr. Donald Trump and its aftermath have done a great service to these United States of America. That service was to bring the relative fragility of our republic form of constitutional democracy to the attention of the American public. It's well past time for our Constitution and the thoughts of those who drafted it and acted as its apologists to be carefully examined and the implicit warnings heeded.

Stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.

Season's best to all.
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Indeed. His efforts to strong arm Pence into violating the Constitution to undermine our democratic process was quite the eye opener.
 
j brown's body said:
Indeed. His efforts to strong arm Pence into violating the Constitution to undermine our democratic process was quite the eye opener.
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Hi, j brown's body!

That, and a number of other 'red' flags [Ed.: Ol' Torus can't help himself when it comes to word play,] popped up.

Regards, season;s best to you and yours.
 
TomFitz said:
The shoe was on the other foot with guys like you when Clinton pardoned Marc Rich.
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Whatever you consider "guys like me" is irrelevant and seriously??? you have to go back to Clinton?

Anyway, you've failed if you have to "whatabout"...even if you are wrong.
 
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