Thank you GOP for fixing healthcare!

[Moderate Right]

So yet again you prove me right. Trump and the GOP could shoot people and you would still support them.

Spoken like the partisan you are. I have repeatedly said that both the House and Republican plan suck and that so does Obamacare. In another post I rated all three plans on a scale of one to ten with the Republican plans scoring a mere 3 and Obamacare scoring a mere 2. So, yes, the Republican plans would be a slight improvement over Obamacare. What's pitiful is that you partisans think that Obamacare ranks an 8, 9, or a 10.

 

[Praxas]

Spoken like the partisan you are. I have repeatedly said that both the House and Republican plan suck and that so does Obamacare. In another post I rated all three plans on a scale of one to ten with the Republican plans scoring a mere 3 and Obamacare scoring a mere 2. So, yes, the Republican plans would be a slight improvement over Obamacare. What's pitiful is that you partisans think that Obamacare ranks an 8, 9, or a 10.

Even the CBO score showed the AHCA was worse so it is actually YOUR partisanship on display as you even said you would till vote GOP even after they passed such a horrible bill. Yep you will show them alright, you'll continue voting for them.

 

[Moderate Right]

How is being taxed to pay for a national benefit for everyone being screwed? Our whole political system is set up that way. We pay taxes for services we may never need or use, whether it's a highway or social security disability benefits. Obamacare, correctly or not, was designed to benefit all of us. I assume it was the democrats second choice after single payer, the only possibility given GOP refusal to see a problem and the power of the insurance companies.

Hah hah. That's funny. I can tell you're not a salesman for a living and neither is anyone else on the left because you haven't sold the younger, healthier people that load of crap. They're not buying. What a load of liberal crap. I can't stop laughing. First you think that the rich, who already pay the huge lion's share of federal income taxes already should do their civic duty and pay even more and now you're trying to say that the younger, healthier people should also do their civic duty and pay much more for healthcare than they use because it is their civic duty. I'm going to be busting a gut the rest of the night now. I'm probably going to crack a rib.

 

[Moderate Right]

Even the CBO score showed the AHCA was worse so it is actually YOUR partisanship on display as you even said you would till vote GOP even after they passed such a horrible bill. Yep you will show them alright, you'll continue voting for them.

The CBO score is what the liberals use - a score that was proven to be off by A LOT when it scored Obamacare. Mostly what the CBO score does is rate how many people will have or lose their health insurance, which is the part of the score that liberals really want to focus on because they can use it for partisan political purposes. There is much more to healthcare and the CBO score than how many people have insurance. Most of the people the CBO score says will lose their insurance will not actually "lose" their insurance. They will choose not to have it anymore, which is what the Republican plan does - give people a choice of whether they don't want health insurance at all, want a cheaper crappier policy, or a more expensive comprehensive policy. The people who would fall off of the Medicaid rolls would be the responsibility of the individual states and not the federal government. Each state knows best how they should handle Medicaid. How would you rate Obamacare on a scale of one to ten?

 

[Fenton Lum]

"I really don't know what to say but you got unlucky in the gene pool. Remeber, being poor and sick is more a state of mind than reality."

That's the america I know and love, right there.

 

[Fenton Lum]

The CBO score is what the liberals use - a score that was proven to be off by A LOT when it scored Obamacare. Mostly what the CBO score does is rate how many people will have or lose their health insurance, which is the part of the score that liberals really want to focus on because they can use it for partisan political purposes. There is much more to healthcare and the CBO score than how many people have it. Most of the people the CBO score says will lose their insurance will not actually "lose" their insurance. They will choose not to have it anymore, which is what the Republican plan does - give people a choice of whether they don't want health insurance at all, want a cheaper crappier policy, or a more expensive comprehensive policy. The people who would fall off of the Medicaid rolls would be the responsibility of the individual states and not the federal government. Each state knows best how they should handle Medicaid. How would you rate Obamacare on a scale of one to ten?

It used to be considered non-partisan, until you lost the stats game.

 

[Praxas]

The CBO score is what the liberals use - a score that was proven to be off by A LOT when it scored Obamacare. Mostly what the CBO score does is rate how many people will have or lose their health insurance, which is the part of the score that liberals really want to focus on because they can use it for partisan political purposes. There is much more to healthcare and the CBO score than how many people have insurance. Most of the people the CBO score says will lose their insurance will not actually "lose" their insurance. They will choose not to have it anymore, which is what the Republican plan does - give people a choice of whether they don't want health insurance at all, want a cheaper crappier policy, or a more expensive comprehensive policy. The people who would fall off of the Medicaid rolls would be the responsibility of the individual states and not the federal government. Each state knows best how they should handle Medicaid. How would you rate Obamacare on a scale of one to ten?

Only in con lala land is raising premiums to the point a person can't afford it seen as a "choice" to the person losing the healthcare.

 

[iguanaman]

but that savings to the government is needed to cover the massive tax break for the 1%

And that is only the start, $900 billion more in their pockets is not nearly enough for those greedy bastards. This what happens when you put the GOP in charge. Perhaps now some will start seeing what a mistake it was.

 

[Fenton Lum]

And that is only the start, $900 billion more in their pockets is not nearly enough for those greedy bastards. This what happens when you put the GOP in charge. Perhaps now some will start seeing what a mistake it was.

This is all part of a half century trajectory and it has been utterly bipartisan.

 

[reinoe]

Only in con lala land is raising premiums to the point a person can't afford it seen as a "choice" to the person losing the healthcare.

Raising premiums to the point where it can't be afforded is one of the goals of the ACA.

 

[Moderate Right]

Only in con lala land is raising premiums to the point a person can't afford it seen as a "choice" to the person losing the healthcare.

The CBO score of the House plan showed premiums would be lowered. You're confused with Obamacare where those premiums are going so high people will not be able to afford them.

 

[Praxas]

The CBO score of the House plan showed premiums would be lowered. You're confused with Obamacare where those premiums are going so high people will not be able to afford them.

Not lowered for elderly or people with pre existing conditions.

 

[Nickyjo]

Hah hah. That's funny. I can tell you're not a salesman for a living and neither is anyone else on the left because you haven't sold the younger, healthier people that load of crap. They're not buying. What a load of liberal crap. I can't stop laughing. First you think that the rich, who already pay the huge lion's share of federal income taxes already should do their civic duty and pay even more and now you're trying to say that the younger, healthier people should also do their civic duty and pay much more for healthcare than they use because it is their civic duty. I'm going to be busting a gut the rest of the night now. I'm probably going to crack a rib.

While you laugh consider that I am not a fan of Obamacare, just think that Medicare for all or some similar system is the best way to go, based on what the rest of the developed world does. Look it up, insurance involves healthier people subsidizing sicker, Medicare involves younger people subsidizing older, people who drive on city streets subsidizing highways. It is indeed our civic duty, as we decided generations ago. And those that don't want to pay up and insure themselves get taxed. It's coercion, much like I am forced to pay for highways, rural post offices, and other government services I may not take advantage of. You are free to laugh at the way the world works and, of course, try to change it. Go ahead, campaign against Medicare, the interstate highways... Make my day.

And of course the rich pay more taxes... It's one of the great honors of being rich. They are also free to trade places with those who pay less any time they want. Somehow they don't.

 

[Moderate Right]

Not lowered for elderly or people with pre existing conditions.

I really don't understand why you lefties even want to debate this at all, other than for partisan politics. It's unlikely the bill will even pass the Senate and, even if it does, it's not going to pass the House. I find it funny that Democrats claim they are going to fight this tooth and nail, like they even have a say in it. Not one Democrat was going to vote for it anyway. But, they waste everyone's time giving it lip service in the Senate like what they say would make any kind of a difference to anyone. I guess they just have to go on record for their constituents even though the eventual vote will be a matter of record anyway. Neither side actually wants to debate. Both sides say it is either their way or the highway.

 

[Moderate Right]

While you laugh consider that I am not a fan of Obamacare, just think that Medicare for all or some similar system is the best way to go, based on what the rest of the developed world does. Look it up, insurance involves healthier people subsidizing sicker, Medicare involves younger people subsidizing older, people who drive on city streets subsidizing highways. It is indeed our civic duty, as we decided generations ago. And those that don't want to pay up and insure themselves get taxed. It's coercion, much like I am forced to pay for highways, rural post offices, and other government services I may not take advantage of. You are free to laugh at the way the world works and, of course, try to change it. Go ahead, campaign against Medicare, the interstate highways... Make my day.

And of course the rich pay more taxes... It's one of the great honors of being rich. They are also free to trade places with those who pay less any time they want. Somehow they don't.

But, the younger, healthier people AREN'T buying Obamacare policies so you have not convinced them of their civic duty.

 

[Praxas]

I really don't understand why you lefties even want to debate this at all, other than for partisan politics. It's unlikely the bill will even pass the Senate and, even if it does, it's not going to pass the House. I find it funny that Democrats claim they are going to fight this tooth and nail, like they even have a say in it. Not one Democrat was going to vote for it anyway. But, they waste everyone's time giving it lip service in the Senate like what they say would make any kind of a difference to anyone. I guess they just have to go on record for their constituents even though the eventual vote will be a matter of record anyway. Neither side actually wants to debate. Both sides say it is either their way or the highway.

And yet nothing of the regurgitated partisan garbage you just posted had anything to do or refute what I've said. You'd been better just to not post, seriously.

 

[Moderate Right]

I have no idea why the GOP wants to throw the baby out the window with the bath water. I believe the American people have spoken, they want the ACA FIXED, not repealed. Keep going over the cliff GOP, karma come Nov 2018.

Health care for all-D Trump

Spoken like a true Conservative Bwahaha

The American people spoke when they elected huge amounts of Republicans over the last six years, largely on the Obamacare failure.

 

[Fenton]

I know...can you imagine this crazy idea that insurance is supposed to be about healthy people helping to spread out the costs of sick people? That is nuts! No, insurance should only be for healthy people. That is what makes sense and keeps costs down. But wait...why would healthy people want to buy insurance?

And THAT is the fatal flaw that led to ObamaCare's current death spiral. Its cost shifting mechanism that was dependent on a minumum number of young healthy individuals purchasing a policy

When not enough young healthy individuals signed up, that increased cost of covering older sicker Americans was shifted onto the Middle Class

Govt dictated what private insurers could sell and what they could charge and then mandated the purchase of that product

Premiums skyrocketed and so did deductibles and insurance companies started bleeding money from selling policies on the exchanges.
The Obama admin stepped in and diverted billions of dollars ( illegally ) in a effort to prop them up and prevent the laws collapse but it didnt matter, they started leaving the exchanges anyway.

The risk corridors failed, the co-ops failed and States blew through hundreds of millions of dollars to set up exchanges that never worked ( Oregon )

What a disasterous piece of crap the ACA was ( is ) and someone has to clean up the Dems collosal mess.

 

[Moderate Right]

And that is only the start, $900 billion more in their pockets is not nearly enough for those greedy bastards. This what happens when you put the GOP in charge. Perhaps now some will start seeing what a mistake it was.

The GOP has made huge political gains over the last six years because voters saw what a mistake they made with Democrats.

 

[Moderate Right]

Raising premiums to the point where it can't be afforded is one of the goals of the ACA.

You're wrong. The ACA has already achieved it's goal.

 

[Moderate Right]

And yet nothing of the regurgitated partisan garbage you just posted had anything to do or refute what I've said. You'd been better just to not post, seriously.

Actually, you haven't really said anything more than biased partisan garbage. There wasn't anything to refute.

 

[Threegoofs]

You're wrong. The ACA has already achieved it's goal.

Not quite.... apparently, more people can afford insurance than before the ACA.

And, of course, the GOP would reverse those gains (and under the Senate bill, it would look even worse in 10 years)

 

[justabubba]

That's because you eat the bullcrap talking points of the left. Even Democrats realize Obamacare needs major fixing. The right's perspective is that there is no way to fix Obamacare or make it better without more government control (which always makes things worse such as the VA and other entitlement programs such as Medicare, Medicaid, and even Social Security, that are currently unsustainable long term) and more yearly exponentially increasing subsidies to both people and the insurance companies. We currently owe 20 trillion dollars.

and yet your party believes that this time of taking from the healthcare budget is the appropriate time to also give a tiny segment of our population - which segment owns the majority of the nation's wealth - give them a massive tax cut
yes, let's do discuss sound fiscal policy. if the concern is actually the $20 Trillion national deficit why do those who can most afford to pay more taxes now get a tax reduction?

 

[Praxas]

Actually, you haven't really said anything more than biased partisan garbage. There wasn't anything to refute.

Really? Because it's common knowledge the elderly premiums will go up its common knowledge that those with pre existing conditions their premiums will go up under the GOP plan. Post proof of it being different or just stop posting about **** you know nothing about con. The absolute ignorance of your posts is amazing and you dare call yourself moderate. Moderate of what, extreme right being a trumpbot?

 

[justabubba]

And that is only the start, $900 billion more in their pockets is not nearly enough for those greedy bastards. This what happens when you put the GOP in charge. Perhaps now some will start seeing what a mistake it was.

this is absolutely nothing new
during the reagan years, the president's informal counselor, charles heatherly, formulated the proposed public policy referred to as 'starve the beast'
defund the social safety net by spending so much on the military and givebacks to the rich that there is nothing left to assist the poor - because THAT particular segment of federal spending is found to be deficit spending
the GOP is now fully implementing that 'starve the beast' approach
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast
back then we knew it as trickle-down economics and reagan's economic adviser chided him for it, while poppy bush referred to it as 'voodoo economics'

David Stockman, who as Reagan's budget director championed Reagan's tax cuts at first, but then became critical of them, told journalist William Greider that the "supply-side economics" is the trickle-down idea: "It's kind of hard to sell 'trickle down,' so the supply-side formula was the only way to get a tax policy ...

note these words of wisdom