Texas Secessionsts Win GOP Backing for Independence Vote: 'Major Step'

[Demon]

Go, Texas. Quit teasing us.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Perhaps you are under the mistaken belief that voting for something is the same as actually doing it.

So you are saying it is a pointless endeavor? Already making excuses for its failure lol.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

So you are saying it is a pointless endeavor? Already making excuses for its failure lol.

I'm saying exactly what I said: this plank of the platform is not treason.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Go, Texas. Quit teasing us.

So you support destroying the Union? Let me guess, you think there is nothing but MAGA in Texes?

 

[Demon]

So you support destroying the Union? Let me guess, you think there is nothing but MAGA in Texes?

Of course there's more than Maga in Texas. But if TX is so determined, and is going to try this over and over, I'm tired of hearing about it. Go, or shut up.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

I'm saying exactly what I said: this plank of the platform is not treason.

Yes, it is treason to make war against a State in the Union. Pretending that bringing a vote stops it from being treason is ignorance.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Yes, it is treason to make war against a State in the Union. Pretending that bringing a vote stops it from being treason is ignorance.

Voting for something is not levying war. We are going in circles now.

 

[Peter]

Voting for something is not levying war. We are going in circles now.

Exactly.
Scotland is not declaring war on the rest of the UK by holding a vote to leave.
It's a peaceful process and Scotland will do what they want to do.

The same should be true for Texas.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Exactly.
Scotland is not declaring war on the rest of the UK by holding a vote to leave.
It's a peaceful process and Scotland will do what they want to do.

The same should be true for Texas.

Yah, so not treason, just like I said.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Voting for something is not levying war. We are going in circles now.

No circles. just you making excuses for not putting the United States of America first. The United part is the Union, without it there is no USA.

Trying to vote away the Union is treason and making war on the USA.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Texas can leave whenever they please. I don't give two ****s about the principles involved, I would just like for them to go.

They can take Florida with them.

 

[Phys251]

Texas is going nowhere. The idiots who want to make them leave are running a fool's errand.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Trying to vote away the Union is treason and making war on the USA.

War is violence or the imminent threat thereof. Votes are not violence.

 

[zincwarrior]

Of course there's more than Maga in Texas. But if TX is so determined, and is going to try this over and over, I'm tired of hearing about it. Go, or shut up.

Its not. 99% of the time the people pushing this are not Texans.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

War is violence or the imminent threat thereof. Votes are not violence.

Sure if you used dictionary level research, you would be correct. But you forgot about things like cold wars, and the declaration of war before the violence starts.

Case in point Texas declaring independence through a referendum that they have no Constitutional right to hold is a declaration of war. The only way Texas could realize their plan is through violence. The Texan government would have to use an army to enforce the results of the referendum. It is fantasy by traitors to the Union. It is indeed treason to attack the Union.

Your ignorance of the Constitution is not a substitute for the real world.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Case in point Texas declaring independence through a referendum that they have no Constitutional right to hold is a declaration of war.

It's not.

 

[Linc]

You act as if you never heard of the US Civil War and its outcome. It is just ignorance to think any State can vote itself out of the permanent Union. The Question was answered and denial now is just neo-confederationism.

It’s all pre-Civil war nullification talk. It explains Iowa now being part of the confederacy. The internet is far and away the most dangerous weapon ever created.

 

[Linc]

So you are saying it is a pointless endeavor? Already making excuses for its failure lol.

You’ve never been to Alaska and met any of his ilk.

 

[Along Came Jones]

Of course there's more than Maga in Texas. But if TX is so determined, and is going to try this over and over, I'm tired of hearing about it. Go, or shut up.

Texas is not so determined. And I too wish the faction who continue to push a referendum on the subject would just shut up. But so long as they have the numbers to control the party platform, they won't. Fortunately, thus far Democrat and Republican legislators have the good sense not to allow the proposal out of the responsible committee.

 

[Juks]

I wonder if the Republicans realize they'd be screwed without Texas and their Electoral Votes and House Reps? Plus Texas also wouldn't have any US military bases or servicemembers in that state. They'd lose all federal departments, so then they'd have to fund things like mail, the border, and giving money to Israel.

Or any of the trade agreement and they would have to chose wether they should use the US dollar and stand without their own central bank (which would mean a loss of monetary control) or create a currency of their own.

 

[highroller]

Texas is going nowhere. The idiots who want to make them leave are running a fool's errand.

That’s what the UK thought with Brexit.

Texas’ share of the national debt is over $3 trillion. I wonder how they will pay that before they leave.

 

[coyote505]

Plank 203 of the Texas GOP's [2024] official legislative platform, under the title of "Texas Independence," states: "The Texas Legislature should pass a bill in its next session requiring a referendum in the next General Election for the people of Texas to determine whether or not the State of Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation. This referendum should be a legislative priority."

Separately under the "state sovereignty," section Plank 20 called for "federally mandated legislation that infringes upon the 10th Amendment rights of Texas shall be ignored, opposed, refused, and nullified" adding: "Texas retains the right to secede from the United States." -- James Bickerton, Newsweek, 6/12/2024

Sheer lunacy. These planks were adopted at the Texas Republican Party convention held in San Antonio between May 23 and 25. Sheer lunacy. Even if the bill should escape the sane temperament of the State Affairs committee and appear on a referendum, which it failed to do the last time back in 2022, there is no provision in Texas or federal law to revoke the annexation. The Civil War and later a USSC decision in Texas v White formally bound the states together in a permanent union. Per the terms of annexation, Texas may or may not have retained the right to divide itself into as many as five states, but that ain't gonna happen either.

Sometimes I think the state GOP organization and the state GOP officeholders belong to two separate political parties.

This reminds me of an episode a generation or so back. An organization of Texans solicited donations to build a Great Wall of Texas, to keep the riff raff out. Each donator would get his name on a brick. They gave up their project when they discovered that about two thirds of their donations were being made by out of staters wanting to keep the Texans IN.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Texas can leave.