Texas Removes 1.8 Million People From Health Care Plan

[ataraxia]

Then let me walk you through it. Right now, people who have employer provided health insurance are paying nothing for health insurance. That will change under socialized medicine. How much will the average american pay for this socialist dream of yours?

This was answered post #116. Why do you keep asking? That's weird.

 

[Fletch]

"Out-of-pocket" usually means deductibles and co-pays, which they are definitely paying.

They're also paying premiums. Paystubs will show the part being deducted from paychecks, Box 12 of their W-2 will show the rest. Even if they're in the tiny group for whom the former is zero, I promise you the latter won't be.

So the average American will pay what for socialized medicine and get what?

 

[Fletch]

This was answered post #116. Why do you keep asking? That's weird.

That wasnt an answer. Try again and use your own words.

 

[ataraxia]

That wasnt an answer. Try again and use your own words.

OK: universal healthcare has consistently decreased costs and improved public health everywhere it has been tried.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

You would think people would leave the state if things as so bad there, yet they are fleeing the socialist paradise of California. Weird.

Because its SO popular to live there that people CANT find cheap housing. Again, I would point out that if you notice where these people are moving to, they are taking their politics with them. Texas isn't purple yet, but its coming. They aren't fleeing California because the state is too liberal, or you wouldn't hear Texans bitching that California Commies are trying to mess up their state.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

So if I pay zero right now, under socialized medicine I will pay less? Hows that work?

You can rest assured that your medical benefits were calculated into how much your employer is paying you currently. If they no longer have to pay an insurance provider to cover you, they could give you that money directly....they would literally have no reason not to, since they had been spending it before, So unless the reason is blatant greed, there SHOULD be an increase in what you take home monthly. The common belief is that the taxes you pay would be less than the amount you would be getting back, thus meaning you paid more and still managed to get more in the process.

 

[Loulit01]

Move to Canada then

This is what the right thinks is a patriotic post. It is, in fact, the opposite. Patriotism is not blindly ignoring your countries faults. It is not flying the flag or standing for the national anthem or shouting USA! USA! USA! at sporting events. Any idiot can do that. Or fake that.

Patriotism is learning your country's history and culture. In learning what is good and what is bad. In knowing how your elected leaders vote on issues. Hell, most of the "patriots" I've met in the last 40+ years can't tell you who their congressman is. I learned long ago that a good way to win an argument about politics is to ask, "Well, who's your congressman and how did he vote on these issues?" Then wait for the stupid look and walk away.

It's difficult to be a good citizen in a country with a representative government (Notice I didn't say "democracy.") It takes work, study, an open mind, and constant attention to what those in power are legislating and why. This education never ends.

In order to understand what's happening now you need to know how get here. For example, how the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, passed in 1930, contributed to the severity and length of the Great Depression, and take it account when thinking about tariffs now. If you understand the dangers of isolationism, trickle-down economics, authoritarianism, wealth inequality and so on, you learn that you need an educated citizenry.

If your education comes from video screens and radio programming, it's sadly lacking. America First! Love it or Leave It! Move to Canada! Are the slogans of shallow-minded people who, if allowed to triumph, will destroy us.

"The duty of a true patriot is to protect the country from its government." Thomas Paine's words are as true today as when he wrote them.

 

[pragmatic]

OK: universal healthcare has consistently decreased costs and improved public health everywhere it has been tried.

You make it sound pretty wonderful.

Are there any downsides to implementing universal healthcare...?

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[tshade]

So $2 trilllion per year comes from where? And im not buying the tripling our economy stuff.

So $2 trilllion per year comes from where? And im not buying the tripling our economy stuff.

from NOT cutting trillions for the wealthy, to start

 

[Fletch]

from NOT cutting trillions for the wealthy, to start

So how much will it cost the average american in taxes to pay for this. Weird how none of you libs bother to answer this.

 

[Fletch]

You make it sound pretty wonderful.

Are there any downsides to implementing universal healthcare...?

..

Downsides?? Of course not. Every American will get whatever treatment he wants from the finest doctors and medical facilities in the world and it wont cost anyone a penny!! Cant wait until the government takes over the food industry and I can eat steak and lobster every night for free.

 

[tshade]

So how much will it cost the average american in taxes to pay for this. Weird how none of you libs bother to answer this.

why are taxes "bad" ?? Are you against debt??? (The GOP certainly isn't). Why not spend on the welfare of the people for a stronger and more united nation??

 

[Greenbeard]

So the average American will pay what for socialized medicine and get what?

These are policy questions, benefits can be designed and costs allocated in numerous ways. The challenge to any attempt to rationalize the system is that the people paying the absolute most under the current system can believe they’re paying nothing.

 

[Fletch]

These are policy questions, benefits can be designed and costs allocated in numerous ways. The challenge to any attempt to rationalize the system is that the people paying the absolute most under the current system can believe they’re paying nothing.

I want to know the costs and the benefits and which of the many socialized medicine plans we should enact and why. Which is the better system, the French, the Canadian, the German, the British, the Cuban and why? In short, make the sale. Arguing that the current system is broken and we should all collectively throw up our hands and turn 1/5 of our economy over to the state is not persuasive in the slightest.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

So $2 trilllion per year comes from where? And im not buying the tripling our economy stuff.

It comes from cutting Trump's golf outings and ending corporate welfare.

 

[Greenbeard]

I want to know the costs and the benefits and which of the many socialized medicine plans we should enact and why. Which is the better system, the French, the Canadian, the German, the British, the Cuban and why? In short, make the sale. Arguing that the current system is broken and we should all collectively throw up our hands and turn 1/5 of our economy over to the state is not persuasive in the slightest.

If someone is arguing for any of those things, they can "make the sale" for you. I'm saying that no one in employer-based coverage is "paying nothing" for their health care.

 

[Cope]

The problem with that argument is that schools are only part of the challenge of eliminating poverty. And the schools are not equal. Schools for the poor having the least funding. All schools should receive the same per-pupil funding.

Not from the federal government. And not from the State. There is your government. Poor schools, in most cases get MORE per pupil.
Private funding makes up the shortfalls that get taken from them to give to poor schools. Look it up, it's called Robin Hood.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I'm sure Jesus would be a 2025 Republican.

 

[dockside]

Move to Canada then

Can't. Canada won't take me. I don't have immediate family living there nor do I have a business that would result in large amounts of money invested there. Nor do I have a job since I am retired. I've checked.

 

[Peacenik]

Not from the federal government. And not from the State. There is your government. Poor schools, in most cases get MORE per pupil.
Private funding makes up the shortfalls that get taken from them to give to poor schools. Look it up, it's called Robin Hood.

Yeah, right. Like I'm gonna look up something to prove your point that doesn't pass the sniff test. I have a hard time believing poor schools get more funding per student. If that is so then why do teachers in poor schools buy supplies out of their own paychecks? (which in itself is pathetic) One thing we do know is that Republicans do not want the public to be well educated nor well informed. That might dispel all their right wing rumors that get them elected.

Fox news viewers are actually less well informed than people who watch no news at all.

 

[aociswundumho]

Obamacare was kneecapped from the start by Republicans who worked for the rich who wanted to preserve the high profitability of health care that could pick and choose only the most profitable patients.

Obama had democratic majorities in both houses for two years.

 

[Cope]

Yeah, right. Like I'm gonna look up something to prove your point that doesn't pass the sniff test. I have a hard time believing poor schools get more funding per student. If that is so then why do teachers in poor schools buy supplies out of their own paychecks? (which in itself is pathetic) One thing we do know is that Republicans do not want the public to be well educated nor well informed. That might dispel all their right wing rumors that get them elected.

Fox news viewers are actually less well informed than people who watch no news at all.

When you refuse the facts, and instead rely on those pesky emotional anecdotes, you can never be proven wrong.

I suggest you do some research. Currently you look rather foolish.

RecaptureTexas.org – The rising cost of recapture is draining resources from local public schools in Texas.

recapturetexas.org

 

[Fletch]

Can't. Canada won't take me. I don't have immediate family living there nor do I have a business that would result in large amounts of money invested there. Nor do I have a job since I am retired. I've checked.

Did you try Cuba? I hear they have the best health care anywhere

 

[Peacenik]

Obama had democratic majorities in both houses for two years.

Obama's mistake was to try to work with Republicans and reinstitute bipartisan legislation with the new Health Care law.

He hosted them in the White House to meet for discussions

What did Republicans do?

They kept complaining about the bill, asking for changes and revisions, constantly drawing out the process. They pretended to be seriously considering the bill, but instead they were just killing time, trying to push it past when it could be passed. They almost succeeded after the death of Senator Kennedy. Then, after all the Republican requests for rewrites and changes not a single one of them voted for it. It turns out they were simply trying to kill it all along. They never had any intention of voting for it. Democrats would have done far better to ignore Republicans and push through everything they really wanted in the first place, then vote it in with their majority.

 

[Peacenik]

When you refuse the facts, and instead rely on those pesky emotional anecdotes, you can never be proven wrong.

I suggest you do some research. Currently you look rather foolish.

RecaptureTexas.org – The rising cost of recapture is draining resources from local public schools in Texas.

recapturetexas.org

Nothing in that link supports your point that poor schools get more money per student than rich schools. Following your link has been a waste of my time.

You are now suspended from talking to me for the rest of the day because of your condescending post. I won't respond to anything you say until tomorrow at the earliest. Good day.