Texas is now in a World of Hurt

[calamity]

But unfortunately, stupidity doesn't have a time limit

It goes forever(wink)

Yes, and Trump supporters will learn that lesson for at least a generation.

 

[Luther]

Ah, five month old news. :roll:

What about when the governor of Texas overrode sensible COVID prevention measures put in place by mayors, an act that led Texas to now having one of the highest per capita death rates in the nation? That certainly is more current.

What about when the governor of Texas overrode sensible COVID prevention measures put in place by mayors, an act that led Texas to now having one of the highest per capita death rates in the nation?

Well, what about the Calif Democrat Gov opening up too soon where the biggest crises is now?


You going to poo poo it?(LOL)


Oh ****!


‘We opened up too soon’: How California went from bending the curve to coronavirus hot spot | KRON4

 

[Luther]

So you agree the the virus is running rampant across much of the country. Glad you're coming around to that realization.

Well, it's mostly in ****hole areas of our country

 

[Luther]

Yes, and Trump supporters will learn that lesson for at least a generation.

There's the Trump did this or that!(LOL)

 

[Casper]

Yes, especially in Calif leading the way

So, maybe next week it will your State. Stop politizing the pandemic, it is part of why we are where we are now.

 

[Casper]

Well, it's mostly in ****hole areas of our country

You just called the vast majority of the country s#$* holes, good grief, you really need to get out and get some fresh air

 

[Conservative]

Yes, by last November, before the virus hit, he had already added 5 trillions to your national debt. Sorry, your argument won't wash.

You have been blocked

That is great news for us and Biden especially blending in the COVID19 stimulus program into the debt numbers as well as total focus on total debt not just public debt. Look not sure what you are concerned about as I completely understand that Trump's massive increase in the debt came with Democratic Opposition and lack of support for the shutdown economy and stimulus, at least that is what we are going to promote.

In addition I will continue to focus on current numbers and not fiscal year end numbers as fiscal year 2020 doesn't end until September 30, 2020. Biden's 2 trillion dollar green energy deal will certainly reduce the deficit and impact the debt favorably therefore he has my total and complete support

 

[Conservative]

Yes, especially in Calif leading the way

Look ,we cannot let this kind of information out to the public if we truly want Biden elected. I am so happy he is campaigning from home and not engaging in promoting his agenda to the public outside of his porch

Deaths Total
New York 32409
New Jersey 15707
Pennsylvania 13437
Massachuetts 8380
California 7883
Illinois 7540
Michigan 6388

91744 145384
63%

 

[Luther]

Look ,we cannot let this kind of information out to the public if we truly want Biden elected. I am so happy he is campaigning from home and not engaging in promoting his agenda to the public outside of his porch

Deaths Total
New York 32409
New Jersey 15707
Pennsylvania 13437
Massachuetts 8380
California 7883
Illinois 7540
Michigan 6388

91744 145384
63%

The difference between me an you is I don't smell of partisan

Otherwise we're almost the same

 

[Luther]

You just called the vast majority of the country s#$* holes, good grief, you really need to get out and get some fresh air

Nah...

I bad mouth my own state and locality all the time(wink)

 

[Luther]

So, maybe next week it will your State. Stop politizing the pandemic, it is part of why we are where we are now.

So, maybe next week it will your State.

You put so much into so little

 

[Conservative]

The difference between me an you is I don't smell of partisan

Otherwise we're almost the same

But....but....but.....It is so easy being a liberal, you can focus on whatever data you want to make the ideology look good just like in this thread, now it is all about the rise in infections and diversion from recoveries and drop in the death percentages. In order to get Biden elected the negative news has to be promoted

 

[rahl]

Yes that is true but I leaned in math that the denominator impacts the percentage change thus the higher the denominator the lower the percentage change. If I am going to become a liberal I really need to understand why percentage change is so important more important than dollar change. Thank you so much for your assistance. When I started arguing for Biden and Obama I was told that their GDP growth was due to gov't spending and totaled 500 billion per year whereas Trump's was 900 billion dollar growth per year. I threw out percentages just like you have done and am having a hard time reconciling the difference. The Reagan debt comes to mind as well as does the Reagan GDP growth coming off a terrible recession

Help me understand the comparison, Reagan's Debt was 1.7 trillion dollars leaving it at 2.6 trillion when he left office vs 900 billion when he took office, almost 300% increase. Obama's debt was 19.9 trillion when he left office vs 10.6 trillion when he took office, denominators were 900 billion and 10.6 trillion, debt 1.7 trillion vs 9.3 trillion. I love your numbers better 300% increase vs less than 100% increase. In our world now debt service doesn't matter, percentage change does!!

Until you can grasp basic concepts like percentages, graphs and economic data, you really need to refrain from debating them.

 

[Conservative]

Until you can grasp basic concepts like percentages, graphs and economic data, you really need to refrain from debating them.

Right, I need to focus on percentage change, thanks for reminding me, great technique but wonder how many Americans that resonates with? Seems to me that it would mean more talking about individual bank accounts and investment accounts in terms of dollar growth, but that is just me. I cannot continue to focus on my own personal financial situation if I am going to be a good liberal and promote Biden, as my 401k has grown substantially in the last three years and continues to grow now in our pandemic recovery. I realize that the DOW percentage growth isn't as strong as the Obama growth but 9000 points in 3 plus years is pretty dramatic vs the 4000 point growth from the recession beginning to Obama leaving office.

Then regarding TX we really need to focus on the infection growth, not the following

7/24/2020 Cases Deaths

United States 4,186,329 147650 3.5%

New York 412889 32409 7.8%

New Jersey 178345 15765 8.8%

Pennsylvania 103396 13437 13.0%

Massachusetts 114985 8498 7.4%

California 435334 8186 1.9%

Illinois 168457 7560 4.5%

Michigan 83730 6388 7.6%

Florida 402312 5768 1.4%

Texas 360826 4717 1.3%

 

[MTAtech]

You are so right, absolutely terrible, I love that liberal math, 1.48 trillion in discretionary spending funded by over 2 trillion FIT, CIT, Excise taxes causes trillion dollar deficits. I have to quit using that and focus solely on the unified budget where SS and Medicare obligations are part of that budget and the borrowing of those funds in the past were never paid back. This is a winning strategy for us, focus on total debt not line item debt, focus on blaming Trump for the high unemployment and low GDP during the economic shutdown and then when the economy opens up again we can blame him for the increases in infections. I love this liberal logic, we win and Trump loses

When Obama was President, you complained fiercely that it was Obama's fault. Now that Trump is president, you shed not one word of blame on him, not one word -- even though his 2017 tax-cuts ballooned the deficit in relatively good economic times.

So, we have to conclude that your objection to deficits was merely a convenient tool to hammer the Democrats. Now that Republicans are largely in control, it's still the "liberals" fault.

 

[rahl]

Right, I need to focus on percentage change, thanks for reminding me, great technique but wonder how many Americans that resonates with? Seems to me that it would mean more talking about individual bank accounts and investment accounts in terms of dollar growth, but that is just me. I cannot continue to focus on my own personal financial situation if I am going to be a good liberal and promote Biden, as my 401k has grown substantially in the last three years and continues to grow now in our pandemic recovery. I realize that the DOW percentage growth isn't as strong as the Obama growth but 9000 points in 3 plus years is pretty dramatic vs the 4000 point growth from the recession beginning to Obama leaving office.

Then regarding TX we really need to focus on the infection growth, not the following

7/24/2020 Cases Deaths

United States 4,186,329 147650 3.5%

New York 412889 32409 7.8%

New Jersey 178345 15765 8.8%

Pennsylvania 103396 13437 13.0%

Massachusetts 114985 8498 7.4%

California 435334 8186 1.9%

Illinois 168457 7560 4.5%

Michigan 83730 6388 7.6%

Florida 402312 5768 1.4%

Texas 360826 4717 1.3%

I just don’t understand your deliberate desire to remain wrong.

 

[Conservative]

I just don’t understand your deliberate desire to remain wrong.

I know, hard to admit being wrong when I post these official data numbers from the official COVID19 site. I cannot believe how partisan that official data is not telling the entire story and disastrous results in TX. How terrible to have a state of 30 million people and 4700 deaths from the pandemic, that is almost as good as China and their 1.4 billion people. They even post percentages which I thought you supported?

 

[calamity]

I just don’t understand your deliberate desire to remain wrong.

I do. He's believed Right Wing lies for so long, lying is now his reality.

 

[calamity]

I know, hard to admit being wrong when I post these official data numbers from the official COVID19 site. I cannot believe how partisan that official data is not telling the entire story and disastrous results in TX. How terrible to have a state of 30 million people and 4700 deaths from the pandemic, that is almost as good as China and their 1.4 billion people. They even post percentages which I thought you supported?

148,000 dead, where's Trump?

 

[MTAtech]

Right, I need to focus on percentage change, thanks for reminding me, great technique but wonder how many Americans that resonates with? Seems to me that it would mean more talking about individual bank accounts and investment accounts in terms of dollar growth, but that is just me. I cannot continue to focus on my own personal financial situation if I am going to be a good liberal and promote Biden, as my 401k has grown substantially in the last three years and continues to grow now in our pandemic recovery. I realize that the DOW percentage growth isn't as strong as the Obama growth but 9000 points in 3 plus years is pretty dramatic vs the 4000 point growth from the recession beginning to Obama leaving office.

Then regarding TX we really need to focus on the infection growth, not the following

7/24/2020 Cases Deaths

United States 4,186,329 147650 3.5%

New York 412889 32409 7.8%

New Jersey 178345 15765 8.8%

Pennsylvania 103396 13437 13.0%

Massachusetts 114985 8498 7.4%

California 435334 8186 1.9%

Illinois 168457 7560 4.5%

Michigan 83730 6388 7.6%

Florida 402312 5768 1.4%

Texas 360826 4717 1.3%

Perhaps you should compare the number of U.S. deaths, 147650, with the world deaths of 650,000. The U.S. has 4.3% of the world's population but 23% of the covid deaths.

 

[MTAtech]

148,000 dead, where's Trump?

Focusing intently on getting federal agents to Portland to stop the deadly graffiti.

 

[Conservative]

148,000 dead, where's Trump?

YES!!! We need to focus on Trump playing golf to divert from the Governors' reaction to the virus, that is an incredible campaign issue that will appeal to OUR minions

 

[Conservative]

148,000 dead, where's Trump?

I think that it absolutely terrible that we have 4700 deaths in this state and people are still migrating to TX for jobs and opportunity. How dare them put their personal responsibility and efforts to take care of their family ahead of getting rid of Trump and electing Biden

 

[Conservative]

calamity;1072331737]148,000 dead, where's Trump?

We definitely need this kind of liberal leadership in TX, had we done what AOC is doing we wouldn't be having the rise in infections in TX. Please AOC move here so we can learn from you

AOC Pulls An All-Nighter Studying For Covid Test | The Babylon Bee

 

[year2late]

What about when the Governor of NY put recovering Coronavirus patients in Nursing homes?

So, with hospitals overflowing with critically ill patients...lacking the staff and equipment and space to accommodate patients that no longer qualify for acute care.....what would you have had them do?

Lots of Monday morning quarter backing going on with this specific issue.

Well after the fact hospitals and nursing homes with a lot of extra help......have been able to better accommodate these patients. Still not great. Especially since many areas are still seeing PPE shortages (don't get me started on reusing masks for weeks or even a momth. Don't get me started on shortages causing some facilities to demand reusing of gowns.

Given the resources that were truly available (hospitals were being refused left and right about accepting these patients)

Monday morning quarterbacking is easy if you are not in the midst of the crisis and you have more resources.

I mean hell, look at what is happening in Starr County Texas? What the hell can they do? They lack resources.

The positive that can come of all of these clusterfudges is to learn how to be more prepared for next time. Have some kind of Pandemic Playbook that is science based and we all follow from the POTUS down to private citizen.

Lots of lessons to learn in this pandemic.

Hopefully we will have leadership next time from the top down to local that can get a friggen grip and follow the Pandemic Playbook. Hopefully next time people will not be such ******s and wear the damned masks if epidemiologists agree it will help the Pandemic contain faster.

Realistically, if our leadership (Fed down to local) don't buy in and set example - there is little chance the citizens will follow suit in a quantity sufficient to control.