Texas hits all-time high for COVID-19 cases; governor urges residents to stay home

[TU Curmudgeon]

Everything is bigger in Texas.

Reminds me of the story about the two pumas who met up after being apart for several months. One was fat and sassy and the other scrawny and emaciated.

The healthy looking one asked the other why they looked so poorly, and the scrawny one said that they had been living in Texas and subsisting on a diet of Texans.

"Well,"; the first said; "I don't see how that could have caused your condition. What are you doing when you hunt them?".

"I hide in a tree until they are close enough to pounce on, then I let out a huge roar, then I jump on them and knock them to the ground before eating them,; the second responded.

"Ah HAH!", said the first; "I see what your problem is. When you roar, you scare the crap out of them and when you jump on them you knock the wind out of them. NO ONE can survive on a diet of chaps and ten gallon hats.".

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

You live in Georgia, so this isn't your decision.

There is a terrible tension between keeping citizens safe and keeping the states open for business. I'm so sick of all the judging and think the states and their governors are trying to do the best they can.

If you toss "without diminishing their chances of reelection", I'll buy that.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

No. As I clearly said, and as you obviously refuse to understand, having pro-coronavirus states is like having a peeing section of the swimming pool. Apparently that is what some of you want. :shrug:

Your feelings don't matter. Only the truth matters. The truth is that covidiotic rulers have allowed more than a hundred thousand Americans to die. Meanwhile, places such as the EU are getting a hold of the pandemic and might even stamp it out within a few months.

You might find

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interesting. Those tables (and associated explanatory notes) are updated daily at Daily Statistical Summary of COVID-19

 

[nota bene]

If you toss "without diminishing their chances of reelection", I'll buy that.

The Texas governor can't run for reelection until 2022.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The Texas governor can't run for reelection until 2022.

But that doesn't mean that he can't "diminish his chance for re-election" THEN by what he does NOW, does it?

 

[Fruityfact]

MAGA bitch

 

[year2late]

Trump riling up his base, telling them to "liberate" states and then trying to pass the buck when it backfires?

What!!??

Don't you know "wear masks, social distance" is code for "Is there and indoor rally with thousands I can attend that will not make me social distance or wear a mask"?

 

[TypicalRussian]

Texas hits all-time high for COVID-19 cases; governor urges residents to stay home

Trump and Texas Governor Greg Abbott.



The blame here goes to Trump and Abbott.

Trump for encouraging states to reopen too early, and toady governors like Abbott who opened their states too early just to please Donald Trump.

its only hitting cities who are run by democrats and have democrats in them

but its blumphfs fault!

 

[Welkin]

No words for your spectrum comment. Just no words.

But I will repeat: Worry about Georgia and your own town and let the rest of the states and cities worry about theirs. Good grief, this should be intuitive.

Your assertion that Phys should only worry about their own state is illogical. Phys is free to critize the government of any city, state, province, or nation that they want, as are we all, and it's not like we don't all have a vested interest in what other govornors and officials do during a pandemic

I also find it somewhat naive to assume that elected officials are doing the best that they can. It's more likely that each of them are acting on a mental calculation on how many deaths would be politically untenable.

Phys' accusation that you're a 'denier' might be much, unless you can be found downplaying the severity of the virus. As it stands, you seem to lean towards not criticising and even telling others not to critize perceived inaction or perceived poor action, but I see no denial.

 

[nota bene]

But that doesn't mean that he can't "diminish his chance for re-election" THEN by what he does NOW, does it?

The year 2022 is a voting lifetime away.

 

[nota bene]

Your assertion that Phys should only worry about their own state is illogical. Phys is free to critize the government of any city, state, province, or nation that they want, as are we all, and it's not like we don't all have a vested interest in what other govornors and officials do during a pandemic

I also find it somewhat naive to assume that elected officials are doing the best that they can. It's more likely that each of them are acting on a mental calculation on how many deaths would be politically untenable.

Phys' accusation that you're a 'denier' might be much, unless you can be found downplaying the severity of the virus. As it stands, you seem to lean towards not criticising and even telling others not to critize perceived inaction or perceived poor action, but I see no denial.

Thank you for your unsolicited judgment. :roll:

If you choose to see all elected officials as calculating, that's fine with me. Judging me as "naïve," however, for not assuming the worst isn't exactly fair.

Your word choice of "illogical" is, I think, poor. What is "logical" about concerning oneself with other states and their decisions which have no impact at all on you and your state? Answer: Nothing.

Of course, anybody can criticize anything; we're all free to do that. I offered advice, and I do stand by that. What Georgia or Nebraska does is the business of Georgians and Nebraskans, and I wouldn't presume to sit in judgment when I have no real frame of reference. You may have read about "Don't mess with Texas," but if you haven't experienced what that means and how very seriously this is taken, for example, your opinion doesn't really matter much.

 

[Welkin]

Thank you for your unsolicited judgment. :roll:

You're quite welcome.

If you choose to see all elected officials as calculating, that's fine with me. Judging me as "naïve," however, for not assuming the worst isn't exactly fair.

To be more precise, it's the statement that I find to be naive, and I feel that we all express naive opinions from time to time. Personally, I left high-school with a flowery perception of the Democratic party, and even beleived that many politicians on both sides of the fence were well-intentioned public servants. I now beleive the opposite, that donors are virtually always given precedence over the wants and needs of constituants. My current perspective is backed by the Princeton/Northwestern study that I'm sure you've heard about by now.

I also never said anything about assuming the worst. I'm specifically challenging the notion that they're trying their best, when there's really no good reason to assume that.

Your word choice of "illogical" is, I think, poor. What is "logical" about concerning oneself with other states and their decisions which have no impact at all on you and your state? Answer: Nothing.

Viruses, if you don't already know, are capable of migrating. They travel, and that's why what one governor does in response to a virus outbreak absolutely has an impact outside the boundries of that state. It defies logic to assert that proper management or mismanagement of a virus has no real effect on those not belonging to the local area.. There are issues that exist that concern the community, and only that community, but only that community.

It appears to me that you want to tell Phys to 'butt out', because you don't like what's being said, but your excuse for doing so simply does not hold water.

Of course, anybody can criticize anything; we're all free to do that.

So we're free to critisize, but shouldn't critisize other states or communities? Which is it?

I offered advice, and I do stand by that. What Georgia or Nebraska does is the business of Georgians and Nebraskans, and I wouldn't presume to sit in judgment when I have no real frame of reference. You may have read about "Don't mess with Texas," but if you haven't experienced what that means and how very seriously this is taken, for example, your opinion doesn't really matter much.

I'll agree that there are issues that have absolutely nothing to do with anyone else, but covid isn't the same as local agriculture, and neither are civil rights,while we're on the subject.

I don't care whether or not Texans feel that nobody should have an opinion on their goings-on, particularly when choices their officials make really do have an effect outside of their bordies. I will agree however, that my personal opinion doesn't amount to much.

 

[Visbek]

The blame here goes to Trump and Abbott.

Trump for encouraging states to reopen too early, and toady governors like Abbott who opened their states too early just to please Donald Trump.

Y'know, on one hand, better late than never. It's possible that Abbott could have pulled a Bolsonaro, and indefinitely refused to do the right thing.

On the other hand, Abbott has locked in weeks of more cases, and resistance to measures like closing businesses and wearing masks. He absolutely should have known that opening up too soon would cause a rise in cases.

 

[Visbek]

If you choose to see all elected officials as calculating, that's fine with me. Judging me as "naïve," however, for not assuming the worst isn't exactly fair.

Seems at least partly fair....

Governors were not operating in a total information vacuum. Epidemiologists and health experts were clearly telling governors that it was too soon to open. Even by the Trump administration's own published standards, it was too soon for Texas to open up, including allowing bars to operate. Governors can't plead ignorance when the experts are all telling them what they need to do.

It is also very clear that many governors (from both parties btw) are putting political calculations above the safety of their constituents. Granted, the US is not South Korea, and Americans simply aren't willing to do what it takes to reduce the spread of coronavirus to the bare minimum until a vaccine is developed. However, it is really, really hard to look at someone like DeSantis and give him the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, anybody can criticize anything; we're all free to do that. I offered advice, and I do stand by that. What Georgia or Nebraska does is the business of Georgians and Nebraskans....

Not when we're dealing with a pandemic.

We're all in this together. That doesn't just refer to people crossing state lines, it also refers to states influencing each other. One state opening too early gives cover to, or encourages, or pressures, other states to do the same. Even Sweden's decision to be lax in social distancing mandates influences other nations -- a policy, by the way, which has backfired with Sweden having as many new cases per capita as the US, while other European nations are at half that rate.

I wouldn't presume to sit in judgment when I have no real frame of reference.

The virus doesn't care about state borders. It spreads the same way everywhere.

There is no magic to indoor bars in Texas that makes it resistant to spreading viruses.

Texas didn't invent and distribute a vaccine, or medicinal cure.

What "frame of reference" is missing?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The year 2022 is a voting lifetime away.

That still doesn't mean that he can't "diminish his chance for re-election" THEN by what he does NOW, does it?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Thank you for your unsolicited judgment. :roll:

If you choose to see all elected officials as calculating, that's fine with me. Judging me as "naïve," however, for not assuming the worst isn't exactly fair.

Your word choice of "illogical" is, I think, poor. What is "logical" about concerning oneself with other states and their decisions which have no impact at all on you and your state? Answer: Nothing.

Of course, anybody can criticize anything; we're all free to do that. I offered advice, and I do stand by that. What Georgia or Nebraska does is the business of Georgians and Nebraskans, and I wouldn't presume to sit in judgment when I have no real frame of reference. You may have read about "Don't mess with Texas," but if you haven't experienced what that means and how very seriously this is taken, for example, your opinion doesn't really matter much.

Somehow the concept

"The COVID-19 virus will stop travelling as soon as it reaches a state border."​

is just a bit difficult for me to grasp.

 

[nota bene]

Somehow the concept

"The COVID-19 virus will stop travelling as soon as it reaches a state border."​

is just a bit difficult for me to grasp.

I can see why. Good thing nobody has said this.

 

[Indie guy]

No. The blame goes to all governors - including Newsom of California - who mandated shelter-in-place orders and caused the economy to fall off a cliff. The quarantines did little or nothing to stop the spread.

What could have been done instead was implement mask-wearing, cleanliness, and social distancing while keeping businesses open. States can't keep shutting down, reopening, and shutting down again. Nothing positive will result from those kind of tactics.

 

[madman]

You embarrass yourself here in calling me a "COVID denier." What a breathtakingly ignorant comment. :3oops:

no, he is spot on. We have an idiot in the WH, and let me guess, you wanted that idiot.

 

[Phys251]

I can see why. Good thing nobody has said this.

You implied it with your arrogant position that I shouldn't criticize other states for their pro-coronavirus stances. Maybe you really do support having a peeing section of the swimming pool.

 

[Phys251]

no, he is spot on. We have an idiot in the WH, and let me guess, you wanted that idiot.

What nota chose not to understand is that there is a difference between a coronavirus denier and a COVID denier.

Very few people deny the existence of the coronavirus. Most of those are probably locked away in some dark corner of the internet.

Unfortunately, a loud minority of Americans are COVID-19 deniers (or COVID deniers for short). Over 120,000 coronavirus deaths means nothing to them. Neither do the traumatic symptoms of COVID-19 that can screw up the body in ways we haven't seen in our lifetimes with a disease this widespread. No, to these COVID deniers, nothing matters other than the pocketbooks of the rich.

And they wonder why the charge of supporting literal human sacrifice has stuck to them?

 

[wellwisher]

Is this all time high for Texas or all time high for any state, including NY and NJ? The spin cycle makes a difference in the fluff.

If anyone has have ever lived in the southern parts of the USA, summer is the time when people will stay indoors because of the high heat and humidity. You will go from a centrally air conditioned; AC house, to an AC car, to an AC restaurant, back to the AC car then home to the central AC.

Fall, winter and spring are the times of the year when the temperatures are more moderate. The locals are outside more often and people from north will travel south to winter over, so they can stay outside year round; golfing. The northern spring breakers will go south to be outside. NYC and the northern states are the opposite. Up north, the summer is when everyone is outside sitting at a street side cafe or beach, and winter is when everyone is hunkered down to stay warm.

The data is telling me that staying inside, too much, either for the cold or the excessive heat, helps the virus. While being outside, hurts the virus. The reason appears to be connected to the inside air, not being renewed and replenished enough, because of the energy costs of AC and/or heat. Outside, the movement of air is constant at the virus is watered down and fried by the sun. If this theory is true, we should see Texas and Florida getting better in the fall, while NYC will start to get worse.

Another potential problem is connected to having to wear masks. A good mask is supposed to filter out the virus so we will not get it from others. It also need to contain the virus, so we do not spread it. The contain the virus part is the problem. Say you are mildly affected by the virus but show little symptoms. Wearing a mask, day after day, means you are containing and concentrating the virus in the mask, near your mouth and nose. The mask is preventing the virus from escaping, but it is not killing the virus. Instead is is concentrating the virus in your mask close to your face.

What should start to happen are the demographics who did not show symptoms, before the mask fad, will start to get sicker, because of the concentrating virus in their masks they are told to wear. The concentration of virus will eventually overrun the immune system of those near the margin. I would expect to see more children with worsening symptoms from their own virus infested masks. This is similar to staying indoors all the time and the lack of air exchange you get with no mask.

We may need an entrepreneur to find a fabric that kills virus on contact, that we can use for the masks. This will make someone an instant billionaire. There are already fabrics used for socks and athletic wear that kill bacteria causing odor. These fabric might be the place to start. If this works, we can use this fabric in home filters, to hep clean the inside air that we are forced to recycle and breath different times of the year.

 

[nota bene]

no, he is spot on. We have an idiot in the WH, and let me guess, you wanted that idiot.

Because there is "an idiot in the WH," I am a COVID-denier? And because you're guessing that I wanted Trump in the White House, this also makes me a COVID-denier? Lack of logic for the loss.

 

[nota bene]

You implied it with your arrogant position that I shouldn't criticize other states for their pro-coronavirus stances. Maybe you really do support having a peeing section of the swimming pool.

I'm not being arrogant in suggesting that Georgia has its own concerns to worry about and challenges to meet. But I'd be horrified if your state were "pro-coronavirus" (or any other state for that matter). Shouldn't we all be "anti-coronavirus"?

 

[bongsaway]

You live in Georgia, so this isn't your decision.

There is a terrible tension between keeping citizens safe and keeping the states open for business. I'm so sick of all the judging and think the states and their governors are trying to do the best they can.

I'm a citizen of the united states of america so yeah it does concern me. Every single governor who listened to trump and reopened their states early are now seeing rising cases of covid19. Blame it on the protesters all you want but most of them from what I saw were wearing masks. It couldn't possibly be the reopening of bars, massage parlors, pro wrestling and other 'essential' businesses could it?

The right has become so entrenched in defending trump they look for excuses to blame others for trump's failures.