Texas Democrats’ late-night walkout scuppers Republican efforts to restrict voting rights

[justabubba]

Hard to have a rational conversation with people taking that view. There absolutely were challenges. Many took liberties with the election process, and it created legitimate concerns about fairness and transparency. Much of that frustration even boiled over on January 6. Just because some are happy with the outcome, doesn't mean it was a smooth process. It was dirty and ugly, with mudslinging. Just as florida reformed it's process in response to the hanging chads, states should evaluate their process and make adjustments to avoid a repeat.

At a base level, again, I would think all would agree that the pandemic posed unexpected challenges. Now that the legislatures have time to make adjustments, they absolutely should. The rules for an election should not be made on the fly. We definitely need consistent rules to ensure transparency. Experiments made in the moment should be codified,

please point out the proven instances of voter fraud in 2020

 

[gbg3]

Then why are they restricting things, NOW? Perhaps because the GOP didn't do so well in November you think?? Hmmm.

Just closing fraud opportunities. I think it would be great if many more states worked to do just that. Why do you want to suppress voter integrity?

 

[justabubba]

Just closing fraud opportunities. I think it would be great if many more states worked to do just that. Why do you want to suppress voter integrity?

what fraud opportunities?

you can't even point to instances of actual fraud

 

[gbg3]

You lie. The Texas Rethuglicans wanted to destroy the right of the citizens of the United States to vote, just as you do.

All legal citizens should vote - if THEY choose to.

 

[dcsports]

how will those changes 'fix' the non-existent voter fraud problem?
if they do not accomplish that, then why are they warranted?

Again - minor changes. But helping to reduce the opportunity for fraud is a valuable goal.

 

[dcsports]

please point out the proven instances of voter fraud in 2020

You keep intentionally missing the point.

 

[gbg3]

So why do all the newspapers say the law will make it harder to vote? Why do all of them say Texas will have the toughest voting law in the country? Could it be that you are completely wrong about who would lose out if the legislation passes, but want to suppress the votes of others who are not like you?

It will make it harder for those wanting to vote at a drive through at 2AM. They will have the unbelievably difficult task of waiting until the next morning or the weekend.

 

[Subieguy]

Again - minor changes. But helping to reduce the opportunity for fraud is a valuable goal.

"minor changes"....."opportunity for fraud". Not buying. Its all about voting suppression no matter how you guys try to deflect it. Spin city!

 

[gbg3]

Making it illegal for poor people to vote is not OK.

Agreed. Which is why no state has such a law.

 

[justabubba]

You keep intentionally missing the point.

what i am missing is your evidence of voter fraud

if there is no voter fraud to be found, then the reason for changing the election rules must be something else

minority folks and some majority voters have figured out what it is

 

[Subieguy]

You keep intentionally missing the point.

no your trying to spin and deflect.

 

[gbg3]

Nope. Republicans redistrict to make it impossible for the poor to vote. No polling places where they live. No transportation to the polling places. Lots of polling places in the rich, white areas. Bring back the Voting Rights Act.

Impossible to vote based on income or lack thereof? "impossible" is quite the dramatic word choice. I'm not buying what you're selling.

 

[Subieguy]

Just closing fraud opportunities. I think it would be great if many more states worked to do just that. Why do you want to suppress voter integrity?

why do you guys want to suppress voting? And show us all the fraud that happened in 2020.

 

[justabubba]

It will make it harder for those wanting to vote at a drive through at 2AM. They will have the unbelievably difficult task of waiting until the next morning or the weekend.

or maybe they work a shift where this is their opportunity to vote, having to sleep and tend to children/elder parents/the infirm during the times found more convenient to vote by most

could be this is when they can access a vehicle to vote, not being able to do so during 9 to 5 when the car is needed to take someone else to work

how does late nite voting facilitate voter fraud that has not been found evident?

 

[gbg3]

We just had an election in a pandemic, which resulted in a lot of changes and adjustments on the fly. This added another layer of chaos and uncertainty on the election process. It absolutely makes sense that state legislatures take advantage of their legislative sessions this year to make adjustments to the election code so that we have a permanent and known process going into the next, and future elections.

The big question is why aren't democrat states also making these adjustments?

That's an excellent question. Suppressing voter integrity is my guess.

 

[gbg3]

or maybe they work a shift where this is their opportunity to vote, having to sleep and tend to children/elder parents/the infirm during the times found more convenient to vote by most

could be this is when they can access a vehicle to vote, not being able to do so during 9 to 5 when the car is needed to take someone else to work

how does late nite voting facilitate voter fraud that has not been found evident?

I know, all those 2021 American citizens who have to walk 20 miles each way to and from work every day, through a blizzard.

 

[justabubba]

I know, all those 2021 American citizens who have to walk 20 miles each way to and from work every day, through a blizzard.

there are lots of folks who have transportation limitations
people have time limitations, minimizing their opportunity to vote

these GQP provisions appear intended to limit the ability of many to vote
those people who are limited tend to be poor
they also tend to be minorities

 

[dcsports]

"minor changes"....."opportunity for fraud". Not buying. Its all about voting suppression no matter how you guys try to deflect it. Spin city!

Voter suppression is the left talking point - not reality. That's the attempt at spin.

 

[justabubba]

Voter suppression is the left talking point - not reality. That's the attempt at spin.

don't think you are actually able to defend that argument

we know it cannot be limitation of voting because of incidents of voter fraud as that is not present

and if the legislation is intended for some reason other than voter fraud or voter suppression, what is it?

 

[dcsports]

what i am missing is your evidence of voter fraud

if there is no voter fraud to be found, then the reason for changing the election rules must be something else

minority folks and some majority voters have figured out what it is

Again - minor changes, the biggest of which is to give clear guidance surrounding a couple of experiments in one county. Transparency and accountability is important.

 

[dcsports]

don't think you are actually able to defend that argument

we know it cannot be limitation of voting because of incidents of voter fraud as that is not present

and if the legislation is intended for some reason other than voter fraud or voter suppression, what is it?

lol. Easily defended, and I already did. What you can't defend is accusations that it is voter suppression.

 

[justabubba]

Again - minor changes, the biggest of which is to give clear guidance surrounding a couple of experiments in one county. Transparency and accountability is important.

what was not transparent or accountable in 2020?

 

[justabubba]

lol. Easily defended, and I already did.

transparency and accountability are now the professed reasons for the changes in voting law

yet there is no evidence of voter fraud, or absence of transparency, or lack of accountability, so what could the actual reason for voter suppression laws be?

 

[dcsports]

what was not transparent or accountable in 2020?

Since we're talking this bill, for starters the drive through voting locations. Texas does allow for voting from a car, in a process called curbside voting, which has very specific rules to ensure proper observation. Harris county 'invented' the drive through voting process, arguing that each 'spot' was an individual polling location, a 'structure' (a tent), that the voter was voting inside (car pulls under awning). It was sketchy as could be, and they pushed off the court process to the point where they just shut them down with the end of early voting, then said it was a moot point because they were done.

The problem is that this made the locations difficult to impossible to observe. Poll watchers couldn't observe all of these - normally it was one worker and the car. And questionable results came up - like the number of voters far exceeding the number of cars. A transparency issue - and a huge opportunity for fraud.

The legislature is clarifying - they have curbside voting, which can be used by those who need it. Otherwise, this process isn't allowed.

 

[dcsports]

transparency and accountability are now the professed reasons for the changes in voting law

yet there is no evidence of voter fraud, or absence of transparency, or lack of accountability, so what could the actual reason for voter suppression laws be?

Absolutely evidence of fraud, lack of transparency, and voting officials not being accountable. And again, no voter suppression. I gave an example above. Assuming if you keep up this 'voter suppression' talking point you aren't interested in a rational, fact based, discussion.