Tesla Launches Robotaxi Service in Austin

[Hamish Howl]

What's the over/under on the number of Tesla robotaxies that explode this calendar year?

 

[Girlpower]

Yeah, who needs a job anyway?

That's what they said when electricity came about.

All those guys lighting street candles were out of work.

 

[snakestretcher]

What joke having to throw in human drivers at the last second because everyone knew it was fairly likely this test rollout might kill someone.

One of our Tube lines in London (Victoria Line), is automated and has been since '68, with just a chap left to open and close the doors at stations. Our Docklands Light Railway is also automated. However at least they are on tracks, away from potentially crashing into people! Call me a sceptic but you won't get me in a Robotaxi.

 

[sanman]

I'm not keen on driverless cars yet. Too many issues to work out.

AI is capable of learning faster than human beings, with that learning getting distributed across all vehicles very effectively.

As more and more issues are encountered, the vehicles will all start wisening up very rapidly.

So even if they're stupid in the beginning, requiring constant supervision, don't count on them to stay stupid for long.

 

[Jagged]

That's what they said when electricity came about.

All those guys lighting street candles were out of work.

With this technology, between taxis, Ubers, Lyfts, Trucks, millions will lose their jobs. I don't know about you, but I hate Communism. But I can see where automation is taking America into that direction. At some point, there aren't nearly enough jobs for people.

 

[Cope]

What joke having to throw in human drivers at the last second because everyone knew it was fairly likely this test rollout might kill someone.

It is only going to take one accident where the computer, AI, or whatever has to make a split second decision on who to protect or kill, the mother crossing the road with her kid, or it's passenger for this to be defunct as an idea as they will be sued out of existence

 

[TangoNoCash]

AI is capable of learning faster than human beings, with that learning getting distributed across all vehicles very effectively.

As more and more issues are encountered, the vehicles will all start wisening up very rapidly.

So even if they're stupid in the beginning, requiring constant supervision, don't count on them to stay stupid for long.

Poor sensor capability can’t be really fixed with AI alone.

 

[sanman]

Poor sensor capability can’t be really fixed with AI alone.

Tesla FSD relies on simple cameras with AI doing most of the heavy lifting.
That cheaper approach has yielded much superior performance over expensive sensors like LIDAR, etc.
Musk's approach will be vindicated. The quality of your brain is more important than the quality of your eyeballs.
As long as your eyeballs are operating above a certain threshold, then brainpower matters most.

 

[TangoNoCash]

Tesla FSD relies on simple cameras with AI doing most of the heavy lifting.
That cheaper approach has yielded much superior performance over expensive sensors like LIDAR, etc.
Musk's approach will be vindicated. The quality of your brain is more important than the quality of your eyeballs.
As long as your eyeballs are operating above a certain threshold, then brainpower matters most.

Completely wrong. Keep up the fanboy spirit but it’s doomed to failure. Mark my words. Tesla may indeed one day be as good as a human. That’s not good enough.

 

[sanman]

Completely wrong. Keep up the fanboy spirit but it’s doomed to failure. Mark my words. Tesla may indeed one day be as good as a human. That’s not good enough.

Tesla FSD is showing superior performance which has not yet been matched by others.
Show me who's performing better.

 

[TangoNoCash]

Tesla FSD is showing superior performance which has not yet been matched by others.
Show me who's performing better.

Waymo is years ahead and only gaining. Tesla has a sub par product. That’s all there is to it. There’s a reason Musk has promised FSD for almost a decade with little success. My friends that have the current version absolutely do not trust it with their lives.

 

[sanman]

Waymo is years ahead and only gaining. Tesla has a sub par product. That’s all there is to it. There’s a reason Musk has promised FSD for almost a decade with little success. My friends that have the current version absolutely do not trust it with their lives.

More people own and drive Teslas under FSD, than use Waymo.
Tesla FSD keeps improving, but what can Waymo do?
We'll see what the market says.

 

[TangoNoCash]

More people own and drive Teslas under FSD, than use Waymo.
Tesla FSD keeps improving, but what can Waymo do?
We'll see what the market says.

Waymo is already doing what Tesla cannot achieve so your point is entirely moot.

 

[sanman]

Waymo is already doing what Tesla cannot achieve so your point is entirely moot.

I've posted Tesla videos, now show me your Waymo videos.
Seeing is believing.

Tesla FSD has way mo' momentum behind it than Waymo does.

 

[TangoNoCash]

I've posted Tesla videos, now show me your Waymo videos.
Seeing is believing.

Tesla FSD has way mo' momentum behind it than Waymo does.

They have a website. Probably videos if you want. I didn’t record my trip but I’m sure many have. While you’re at it look up the many videos of Teslas running over strollers, kids and through walls in testing. I will only take one and Tesla is history. I say go for it. FSD already has a number of big blemishes on its already poor safety record.

To date, no fatalities have been caused by a Waymo vehicle.

 

[dcsports]

Tesla is rolling our their robotaxis for actual use:

Tesla launches robotaxi service in Austin

Self-driving technology on which Elon Musk has staked the future of his company debuts in Texas

www.ft.com

Paywall

I'm a little surprised they chose Austin. The traffic congestion there is terrible, secondary to the terrible street layout. The only 'pro' is that it's a smaller city and relatively compact. I suppose if it works there that's a good sign.

 

[sanman]

Paywall

I'm a little surprised they chose Austin. The traffic congestion there is terrible, secondary to the terrible street layout. The only 'pro' is that it's a smaller city and relatively compact. I suppose if it works there that's a good sign.

Yes, maybe it's a good litmus test or stress test, to put the FSD vehicles through their paces, and ensure they can handle the most challenging situations.

 

[Metric Mouse]

It is only going to take one accident where the computer, AI, or whatever has to make a split second decision on who to protect or kill, the mother crossing the road with her kid, or it's passenger for this to be defunct as an idea as they will be sued out of existence

All the faimlies of people run over by Waymo beg to argue.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Paywall

I'm a little surprised they chose Austin. The traffic congestion there is terrible, secondary to the terrible street layout. The only 'pro' is that it's a smaller city and relatively compact. I suppose if it works there that's a good sign.

Where else would they choose?

Robo taxis make zero sense in nice, calm cities with intelligently laid out roads and little congestion. In those conditions people would just drive themselves.

 

[Cope]

All the faimlies of people run over by Waymo beg to argue.

Oh, it's happened already?

How do they assign liability? Got a case I could look at?

 

[TangoNoCash]

All the faimlies of people run over by Waymo beg to argue.

Waymo already has a safer accident rate than humans. Accidents do happen. I’m guessing a large cross section of Waymo accidents were caused by other drivers cause that’s how we roll. In the end it’s apples and oranges because Tesla hasn’t succeeded in full automation yet.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Oh, it's happened already?

How do they assign liability? Got a case I could look at?

The same way any driver is assigned liability.

They have paid millions in damages. But not been sued out of existence. They have been proven to be safer than human drivers.

 

[Cope]

The same way any driver is assigned liability.

They have paid millions in damages. But not been sued out of existence. They have been proven to be safer than human drivers.

Of that I have no doubt. There will be continued suits with little leeway for relief since there is no human error to assign or any other actions that can be forgiven.. They will always be at fault.

 

[j brown's body]

Our use of Technology is really causing us to more isolate ourselves from one another.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Of that I have no doubt. There will be continued suits with little leeway for relief since there is no human error to assign or any other actions that can be forgiven.. They will always be at fault.

For sure.

But the lawsuits will be cheaper than insurance companies who cover human drivers; soon it will be too expensive to insure human drivers when robo drivers are so much cheaper and safer.