I just think the level of what is or is not admissible is ridiculously biased in favor of the criminal. I am not argueing against checks and balances.
tell that to the parent's of the kid killed by the drunk driver who was released because the calibration on the breathalyzer was 2 days overdue, or to the lady who was raped by the guy who was released because the cop forgot to put an "x" in block 17a on the arrest warrant.
I just think the level of what is or is not admissible is ridiculously biased in favor of the criminal.
Yet another embarrassing defeat for this clown in the WH.
j-mac
Ahmed Ghailani was supposed to be the test case, the reason why political opposition to trying Guantanamo goons in civilian courts was just hot air.
But now, after "Foopie" Ghailani was acquitted on all but one count for his role in the 1998 East Africa embassy bombings by Al Qaeda, Team Obama's hope of trying Gitmo's worst in civilian courts has been all but dashed.
The Obama administration had hoped that a conviction on most, if not all, of the charges would help clear the way for federal prosecutions of other Guantanamo detainees - including Khalid Sheik Mohammed and four alleged co-conspirators accused of organizing the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
President Obama's strategy, however, has run into fierce, cross-party opposition in Congress and New York, where the administration once hoped to try Mohammed, in part because of concerns that it would be harder to win convictions in civilian court.
The failure to convict Ghailani, a native of Tanzania, on the most serious terrorism charges bolstered the arguments of those who say the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, should be kept open, both to host military commissions for some prisoners and to hold others indefinitely and without trial under the laws of war.
I am so sick and tired of the same crap said over and over again:
It's all Bush's fault!!!!.
And the idiot that is in charge now is not responsible for anything.
What a bunch of crap.
You would be singing a very different tune if you were black.
It's a defeat in the minds of partisan cheerleaders only. I rather doubt the defendant is doing backflips about the prospect of doing twenty to life in solitary.Is it really a "defeat"? I mean, if he was so clearly a terrorist, then the State should have had clear evidence to gain a conviction.
Tell it to all these innocent people whom you say were wrongly convicted. :shrug:
Anecdotes don't make an argument. No one said anything was perfect. Not possible in the human world.
No, it's biased in favor of the government having to be on the straight and narrow before it locks someone away, which is how it should be.
Are people's memories so short? How about during the vast majority of Bush's first term when it was All Clinton's Fault? You think the left has a monopoly on partisan crap? Like hell. Both sides are well versed in the stupidity of partisan rhetoric.
no, it's biased in favor of the govt having to be perfect in every single case.
some of the technicalities that let criminals walk have no bearing on the actual quality of the evidence.
It's like your teacher giving you an F on a test because you forgot to capitalize your name. Sorry johnny, but you didn't put a period at the end of sentence #5, you'll have to retake english in summer school.
I don't recall Bush claiming that everything that happened was Clinton's fault like Obama is doing to him. Bush has a lot more class. Obama is no better than Carter.
If Holder had tried him in front of a military tribunal, the methods they used to find out who he bought explosives from would be moot.
9/11: "They looked at our response after the hostage crisis in Iran, the bombings of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the first World Trade Center attack, the killing of American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa, and the attack on the USS Cole. They concluded that free societies lacked the courage and character to defend themselves against a determined enemy…"
Is it really a "defeat"? I mean, if he was so clearly a terrorist, then the State should have had clear evidence to gain a conviction.
Coronado said:It's a defeat in the minds of partisan cheerleaders only. I rather doubt the defendant is doing backflips about the prospect of doing twenty to life in solitary.
Some of the idiotic partisan hacks on this board would start a thread gloating over Obama's gross incompetence if he had missed a spot shaving that morning.
As late as 2008, Bush was still blaming Clinton:
"…the senior administration official says the budgetary problems stem from what is believed to be inadequate defense, intelligence and homeland security resources that were handed down from Clinton."
Pensito Review » 2008 » July » 28
Other examples:
"Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, in separate speeches Wednesday, both claimed the U.S. economy was already in recession when they were inaugurated in January 2001, implying the blame for the slowdown rested on President Clinton's shoulders."
http://money.cnn.com/2002/08/07/news/eco…
"President George W. Bush on Thursday blamed President Bill Clinton's administration for the loss of hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs. Bush warned against backing the Democratic ticket in November because of a "hidden Kerry tax plan."
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/omni/3538…
""Well, we've tried summits in the past, as you may remember. It wasn't all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area.
Whopper of the week: George W. Bush. - By Timothy Noah - Slate Magazine
9/11: "They looked at our response after the hostage crisis in Iran, the bombings of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the first World Trade Center attack, the killing of American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa, and the attack on the USS Cole. They concluded that free societies lacked the courage and character to defend themselves against a determined enemy…"
Wow.......I see, so repubs are supposed to just sit back and let demo's shred them and their record with the lies they tell is that it? Part of what you cite is campaigning, and part of it is politics. Problem with demo's is that when a conservative says something they did that damaged the country chances they are correct in their claim, when demo's do it, it usually is based on pure hyperbole, and facetious claims that are thrown out there to either distract, or divert in some way.
j-mac
Wow.......
I'm pretty sure that's one of the most blatantly partisan posts ever.
Yeah wow. Truth hurts don't it.
j-mac
Maybe. Put some truth in your post instead of empty partisan rhetoric and we'll find out.
Look at what I'm arguing. He's arguing AGAINST inadmissibility. Under his construct, there would be no ruling and it would be admitted.
If you think I'm defending him, you are sorely mistaken. There are a myriad of reasons to legitimately criticize him. This one, however, is petty.There is a certain measure of that to be sure, I admit it. But come on man, this guy is a joke. Period. Certainly not the genius he was portrayed to be in the campaign.
I can understand why it would seem that way to you. Liberal sycophants label me a conservative, and conservative sycophants label me a liberal. In any event, my posting history is no secret. If you cared to back that bull**** up, you have more than enough evidence to do so. However, you and I both know you don't have the balls to do it. You'll just babble out some sort of weak ad hominem you think is witty and slink away like you do from anyone who challenges your paradigm.Oh, and all you seem to complain about lately Coronado is how everyone is so partisan, but it is funny you only unleash that swipe when a conservative posts....Or at least that is how it seems.
Strictly for my own entertainment.Maybe a question could be that if it annoys you so to respond to what you consider a 'partisan hack' thread, why you bother?
I'm sure you do. :roll:I think this speaks for itself.:2wave:
So am I. As it stands, ANY flaw in the investigation or the prosecution results in the criminal going free. IMO a better approach would be sanctions against police or prosecutor for errors or omissions, but I do not think society is well served by letting a criminal off the hook completely as is done with the present system.
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