Tennessee passes bill to allow teachers to be armed. (1 Viewer)

[Mungo Jerry]

You do it with common sense. Practical, pragmatic, realism. You take wants and needs, factor for potential bad outcomes, and make realistic compromise on best case achievement if goals with minimal bad outcomes. You won’t get everything you want, but you’ll get enough, and you won’t avoid all bad outcomes but you’ll get acceptable limits. You get LIBERTY mixed with RESPONSIBILITY and ACCOUNTABILITY. Libertarian ideology requires all three. Liberty does not come separate of responsibility and accountability. The three march side by side, hand in hand.

So long as none of this infringes on the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms., as protected by the Constitution.
Right?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

My point, made.

If your "point" is "No one is ever 100% safe from every possible adverse contingency." then I do have to agree with your blinding flash of the obvious. I just wonder when your bulb

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lit up

Now, tell the truth:
You originally meant Trump and the 2020 election.
Right?
And you got nowhere with that, so you moved the goalpost over to gerrymandering.
Right?
Be honest.

Nope on both points. You see I am aware that gerrymandering and "voter suppression" have been "features" of the American political process for over a century and Mr. Trump was not running for president in 1924.

If you understood our system, you would understand why this does not matter.

And if you understood what "rights" actually were, you would understand why it does.

Nothing here changes the fact I have a right to buy a gun, and you, contrary to your claim, only a privilege, grated to you by the state, once you meet ts conditions.

Indeed, you have the "right to buy a gun" PROVIDED that you meet all of the state mandated conditions for doing so. That, of course, is completely different from me, since I have to meet the state mandated conditions for doing so in order to have the "right to buy a gun".

According to you, you do not
According to you, you have no such right, because you can be put in prison.

I guess that you are not aware that you can be put in prison in the USA. If I have "no such right" because I can be put in prison, how is it that you - who can also be put in prison - have such a right?

Invoking Elmo's Law to avoiding the truth? Sad.

It's too bad that you don't actually know what "Elmo's Law" is.

You claimed you have he right to health care w/o running the risk of going bankrupt.
You don't. You have a privilege, granted by the state.

Since you don't understand the difference between "right" and "privilege", your argument still makes no sense.

It will be reality that.... what?

What does land have to do with anything?

People will not be able to walking around armed to the teeth and dressed up like a member of a third-rate mercenary "company"?
Maybe where you are.
Not where people are free, however.

Where I am, anyone who wanted to do such a silly thing would be (on a really good day) looked on as a total kook and shunned by every rational person they met. On a bad day, they wouldn't be able to provide a rational reason for the way that they were disturbing the peace and would receive **F*R*E*E** room and board at a government residential facility after they had had a **F*R*E*E** consultation with a mental health specialist.

However, I do extend my sympathies to you for your compulsive need to display a penis substitute.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

We already have laws that cover this - a number of classes of "prohibited persons" were defined in 1968.

Ahhh, so, you DO have to meet government mandated conditions before you have a "right" to own guns.

You can refuse to understand there is no constitutional right to commit a crime with a gun, if you want.

When you understand what a "constitutional right" actually is, we might want to discuss that point further.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

How about this, someone did study it.

Armed School Officials and Fatal and Nonfatal Gunshot Injuries During Mass School Shootings

This cross-sectional study examines whether there is an association between having an armed guard at school and the prevalence of deaths and injuries during school shootings and attempted shootings.

jamanetwork.com

Key take away -

• "armed guards were not associated with significant reduction in rates of injuries; in fact, controlling for the aforementioned factors of location and school characteristics, the rate of deaths was 2.83 times greater in schools with an armed guard present"

Presence of Armed School Officials and Fatal and Nonfatal Gunshot Injuries During Mass School Shootings, United States, 1980-2019 | Office of Justice Programs

By examining every recorded incident where one or more people was intentionally shot in a school building during the school day, or where a perpetrator came to school heavily armed with the intent of firing indiscriminately, we examine the association between the presence of an armed officer on...

www.ojp.gov

Key takeaway -

• " no association between having an armed officer and deterrence of violence in these cases. An armed officer on the scene was the number one factor associated with increased casualties after the perpetrators’ use of assault rifles or submachine guns. The well-documented weapons effect explains that the presence of a weapon increases aggression. Whenever firearms are present, there is room for error, and even highly trained officers get split-second decisions wrong. Prior research suggests that many school shooters are actively suicidal, intending to die in the act, so an armed officer may be an incentive rather than a deterrent"

There's also this, and many of these laws aren't actually new.

The Effects of Laws Allowing Armed Staff in K–12 Schools

Analysis of the impact of gun regulation in K–12 schools on gun-related outcomes in the United States

www.rand.org

Key takeaways -

• [1a] "We found no qualifying studies showing that laws allowing armed staff in K–12 schools increased any of the eight outcomes we investigated.",
• [1b] "We found no qualifying studies showing that laws allowing armed staff in K–12 schools decreased any of the eight outcomes we investigated.", and
• [2] (paraphrase) the decrease in school violence is most closely associated with a decrease in the numbers of weapons in schools.

From [2] above, it would seem that an increase in the numbers of weapons in schools MIGHT cause an increase in school violence (but that cannot be tested empirically yet).

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Where are teachers supposed to keep/carry their handguns?

In pockets? In desk drawers? In briefcases?

Nope. They would be keeping them someplace accessible.

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[TU Curmudgeon]

Common sense means we find ways where, when the rubber meets the roads, we have freedoms without unintended bad consequences. A balance of individual rights, responsible actions and accountable conclusions.

Rights without responsibility and accountability are a prelude to anarchy.

Not in the least - provided that you restrict the size of the "Rights Holding" class sufficiently. If you do that the right way then you can have a VERY orderly state. I believe that the technical term for one of those is "Totalitarian".

 

[Mungo Jerry]

However, I do extend my sympathies to you for your compulsive need to display a penis substitute.

-There- it is!
I -knew- you'd eventually devolve to this point.
People like you -always- do.
Thank you for proving there's no need to waste anymore time on you.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Not in the least - provided that you restrict the size of the "Rights Holding" class sufficiently. If you do that the right way then you can have a VERY orderly state. I believe that the technical term for one of those is "Totalitarian".

Sounds like what the Democrats want to do. Limit the RKBA to just their chosen few governmental agencies and personal protection details.

 

[RF667799]

If your "point" is "No one is ever 100% safe from every possible adverse contingency." then I do have to agree with your blinding flash of the obvious. I just wonder when your bulb

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Nope on both points. You see I am aware that gerrymandering and "voter suppression" have been "features" of the American political process for over a century and Mr. Trump was not running for president in 1924.

And if you understood what "rights" actually were, you would understand why it does.

Indeed, you have the "right to buy a gun" PROVIDED that you meet all of the state mandated conditions for doing so. That, of course, is completely different from me, since I have to meet the state mandated conditions for doing so in order to have the "right to buy a gun".

I guess that you are not aware that you can be put in prison in the USA. If I have "no such right" because I can be put in prison, how is it that you - who can also be put in prison - have such a right?

It's too bad that you don't actually know what "Elmo's Law" is.

Since you don't understand the difference between "right" and "privilege", your argument still makes no sense.

What does land have to do with anything?

Where I am, anyone who wanted to do such a silly thing would be (on a really good day) looked on as a total kook and shunned by every rational person they met. On a bad day, they wouldn't be able to provide a rational reason for the way that they were disturbing the peace and would receive **F*R*E*E** room and board at a government residential facility after they had had a **F*R*E*E** consultation with a mental health specialist.

However, I do extend my sympathies to you for your compulsive need to display a penis substitute.

There it is.

We're obviously more liberal here. We can dress up in soldier costumes, animal costumes...whatever.

 

[rahl]

Does the state pay for the holsters?

Is concealed carry mandated by the state's law?

it would probably help if you read the actual law.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Sounds like what the Democrats want to do. Limit the RKBA to just their chosen few governmental agencies and personal protection details.

Indeed, it most certainly looks like the Democratic Party is the one that wishes to restrict the Right to Kill Bloody Anyone and the Republican Party is its strongest advocate.

 

[RF667799]

Indeed, it most certainly looks like the Democratic Party is the one that wishes to restrict the Right to Kill Bloody Anyone and the Republican Party is its strongest advocate.

Duplicity and sarcasm are not synonymous.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Indeed, it most certainly looks like the Democratic Party is the one that wishes to restrict the Right to Kill Bloody Anyone and the Republican Party is its strongest advocate.

Oh, a funny meme on the RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. I am so impressed that I will now support Democrat attempts to r wove my civil rights.


Naw, just kidding. I will work against the Democrat party, the party of evil, at every chance I get.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Not in the least - provided that you restrict the size of the "Rights Holding" class sufficiently. If you do that the right way then you can have a VERY orderly state. I believe that the technical term for one of those is "Totalitarian".

You do realize there is a state between the wild, wild, west and authoritarian governing. That is where common sense resides.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

So long as none of this infringes on the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms., as protected by the Constitution.
Right?

The Constitution is a living document designed to be interpreted by the courts in a non-activist fashion (the line between interpretation and writing new law).

It’s not encased in legal concrete. It’s meant to flex with new times and changing circumstances.

 

[Mungo Jerry]

The Constitution is a living document designed to be interpreted by the courts in a non-activist fashion (the line between interpretation and writing new law).

Interesting. You must have opposed Roe.

It’s not encased in legal concrete. It’s meant to flex with new times and changing circumstances.

These 'common sense' requirements you hold yourself too and suggest should be applied to others -- which of them do you believe do not run afoul of current holdings, and why?

 

[CLAX1911]

-There- it is!
I -knew- you'd eventually devolve to this point.
People like you -always- do.
Thank you for proving there's no need to waste anymore time on you.

It's an attempt to say you have a small penis because you do something he doesn't like.

I always respond to this sort of thing is referring to the person making the statement as a size queen. And to remind them it's not for them anyway.

 

[CLAX1911]

Indeed, it most certainly looks like the Democratic Party is the one that wishes to restrict the Right to Kill Bloody Anyone and the Republican Party is its strongest advocate.

Not really. The Republican party wants to Bear guns just as bad as the Democrats do because they want to have a dictatorship they're not that different.

And the right to own a gun is not the right to kill anybody.

 

[poppopfox]

Tennessee Ranks Among the Least Educated States in the Country
By all means, let's give the children even more distractions in the classroom!

 

[JMB1911A1]

Tennessee Ranks Among the Least Educated States in the Country
By all means, let's give the children even more distractions in the classroom!
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Repeat of your post 521. Nice job on the SPAM.

Come on, even a Buddhist can do better than that.

 

[Mungo Jerry]

I always respond to this sort of thing is referring to the person making the statement as a size queen. And to remind them it's not for them anyway.

As it proves they can't handle being out-argued, I put them in ignore.

 

[CLAX1911]

As it proves they can't handle being out-argued, I put them in ignore.

It's like the base macho crap. I wonder if there is a female version of this

 

[zsu2357]

It's not enough for you, the ones with "high body counts"?

ANY shooting of ANY schoolchildren or a schoolchild is something no American should tolerate. Yet we do.

Uvalde happened. Other mass shootings in schools have happened. Yet we do next-to-nothing to prevent them.

And Uvalde was bad because a lot of officers just stood around or hid.

 

[zsu2357]

The Nashville shooter had an AR-15 style firearm and the Nashville PD entered right away and found here. And they knew they didn’t have rifle rated plates in their vests. True heros.

Yup true hero's that should have been shot for outstanding bravery.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Interesting. You must have opposed Roe.

Recent new law. It was an interpretation of rights. Ruling the privacy of a woman and her doctor jointly deciding her health issues superseded any other rights at issue.

These 'common sense' requirements you hold yourself too and suggest should be applied to others -- which of them do you believe do not run afoul of current holdings, and why?

They aren’t requirements as they aren’t currently law. I suggest them as they are applied to law enforcement and they work fairly well there (nothing is perfect).