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Temperatures in the eastern part of the continent have soared 50 to 90 degrees above normal, raising concern from the scientific community.
A researcher studying polar meteorology at the Université Grenoble Alpes Dr. Jonathan Wille also tweeted that this heatwave was "never supposed to happen."
Officials at the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado, have been watching the Arctic, which has been warming two to three times faster than the rest of the globe.
That same day temperatures hit 0 degrees at the even-higher Vostok station, beating the all-time record by about 27 degrees
In the Arctic, where more than 1 trillion tons of carbon are locked within its frozen soil
Temperature alone could have a big effect on emissions, too. If temperatures warm by 18°F (10°C), carbon emissions from thawing permafrost could double, the study says.
So the warmer it gets the more carbon is released from the soil...which makes it warmer...which releases more carbon...
This unexpected heat wave could unexpectedly accelerate global warming in a way models didn't predict.
Considering every model has overestimated the warming effect carbon has, they might get to be right for a change
Typical full of bull conservative science denier. You have no evidence of your claim that "...every model has overestimated the warming effect carbon has...", making your claim unfounded and dismissed without need for further debate. No research for proof. Lazy.
show your workConsidering every model has overestimated the warming effect carbon has, they might get to be right for a change
I saw this a few days ago and read the source. If I recall correctly, the 70F (39C) increase is above the normal average. Not above the normal seasonal high.Temperatures in eastern Antarctica are 70 degrees warmer than usual
Eastern Antarctica on Friday recorded temperatures that are 70 degrees higher than normal for this time of the year, The Washington Post reported. Temperatures in the eastern part of the conti…thehill.com
From another source:
'Not a good sign': The temperature was 70 degrees above average near South Pole, a troubling record
It was 70 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than average in Antarctica, while areas of the Arctic are more than 50 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than the average.www.usatoday.com
Horrifying. I don't really know what else to say. It is worth pointing out that the arctic melting is a positive feedback loop;
Melting Arctic Could Supercharge Climate Feedback Loop | Climate Central
Carbon dioxide could play a significant role in the climate impacts of thawing permafrost.www.climatecentral.org
So the warmer it gets the more carbon is released from the soil...which makes it warmer...which releases more carbon...
This unexpected heat wave could unexpectedly accelerate global warming in a way models didn't predict.
Well from the source I linked there is this blurb which does still make it sound exceptionally high.I saw this a few days ago and read the source. If I recall correctly, the 70F (21C) increase is above the normal average. Not above the normal seasonal high.
I'll have to find the actual source again.
However, if what you say is the case and you do take the time to find that source I would appreciate it."In about 65 record years in Vostok, between March and October, values above -30°C were never observed," climate journalist Stefano Di Battista told the news outlet in an email.
That's a fair point. If I have time I will try to find a more primary source.How much misinformation is there in this telephone game?
The Hill reports on what the Washington Post says who reports what some twit on twitter says...
Well from the source I linked there is this blurb which does still make it sound exceptionally high.
However, if what you say is the case and you do take the time to find that source I would appreciate it.
Consider the source. You are basing this nonsense from a Tweet published by the Washington Post. Furthermore, the temperature data in the Tweet shows the temperatures are all below the maximum recorded temperature. Once again you are publishing Fake News. There was never any 70°C temperature increases in Antarctica. That is complete BS.Temperatures in eastern Antarctica are 70 degrees warmer than usual
Eastern Antarctica on Friday recorded temperatures that are 70 degrees higher than normal for this time of the year, The Washington Post reported. Temperatures in the eastern part of the conti…thehill.com
From another source:
'Not a good sign': The temperature was 70 degrees above average near South Pole, a troubling record
It was 70 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than average in Antarctica, while areas of the Arctic are more than 50 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than the average.www.usatoday.com
Horrifying. I don't really know what else to say. It is worth pointing out that the arctic melting is a positive feedback loop;
Melting Arctic Could Supercharge Climate Feedback Loop | Climate Central
Carbon dioxide could play a significant role in the climate impacts of thawing permafrost.www.climatecentral.org
So the warmer it gets the more carbon is released from the soil...which makes it warmer...which releases more carbon...
This unexpected heat wave could unexpectedly accelerate global warming in a way models didn't predict.
They are also claiming that Antarctica is losing 25 minutes of sunlight per day, which is ridiculous. The Spring Equinox just passed on March 20th, which meant that the entire planet experienced 12 hour days and 12 hour nights. Antarctica is losing daylight as quickly as the Arctic is gaining daylight, which is just under 10 minutes per day. From the beginning of March until the last day of March everything within the Antarctic Circle will lose a total of 4 hours, 42 minutes of daylight. Currently, everyone within the Antarctic Circle is experiencing days that are ~30 minutes shorter than those experienced at the equator. Tomorrow they will be ~40 minutes shorter. Some time in June there will be no daylight south of the Antarctic Circle which will last for ~90 days until September.Consider this:
Both Lazzara and Meier said what happened in Antarctica is probably just a random weather event and not a sign of climate change. But if it happens again or repeatedly then it might be something to worry about and part of global warming, they said.
same article I linked.
The Antarctic station was only 65 F higher than the March average. I did some checking around. See my post here:Consider the source. You are basing this nonsense from a Tweet published by the Washington Post. Furthermore, the temperature data in the Tweet shows the temperatures are all below the maximum recorded temperature. Once again you are publishing Fake News. There was never any 70°C temperature increases in Antarctica. That is complete BS.
You know that 70°F discrepancy is based upon a computer model and not actual observation, right? Based upon actual observations all the temperatures from each of the stations are below record levels. This is a big nothing, Fake News based upon obviously faulty computer models.The Antarctic station was only 65 F higher than the March average. I did some checking around. See my post here:
Three new studies say humans are not the cause of global warming
Link the source please. There is another thread claiming a 70 F above normal. The twit posted on twitter the -12.4 C on twitter for Concordia. This station has only been there since 2005, so we have no data before that showing what a long cycle high temperature can be. The record high at that...debatepolitics.com
No. The 65 F increase from normal was an actual recorded temperature. The 70 F was a bloviated reporting. I had earlier assumed myself that this was above the annual average, but it is above the March average. My current assumption is it was skewed because of the direction the wind was blowing, and/or equipment operations in the nearby area. It seldom blows in a general NE direction. I don't know where the temperature monitoring equipment is from the permanent settlements there, but if the general NE wind direction is taking the heat loss from the building and equipment running, then this will be seen by monitoring station. I had liiked at previous data for March, and there is a rise in temerature anytime the wind blows from the north to east direction. this is a good indication for me that the extra heat being seen is from that remote outpost.You know that 70°F discrepancy is based upon a computer model and not actual observation, right? Based upon actual observations all the temperatures from each of the stations are below record levels. This is a big nothing, Fake News based upon obviously faulty computer models.
Wait for it. This coming September, when the sun finally returns to Antarctica these freaks will make a big deal about the ozone hole that developed over the 90 days Antarctica was in complete darkness. It never fails, they do it every year hoping some moron will panic.
From the original Washington Post source:No. The 65 F increase from normal was an actual recorded temperature. The 70 F was a bloviated reporting. I had earlier assumed myself that this was above the annual average, but it is above the March average. My current assumption is it was skewed because of the direction the wind was blowing, and/or equipment operations in the nearby area. It seldom blows in a general NE direction. I don't know where the temperature monitoring equipment is from the permanent settlements there, but if the general NE wind direction is taking the heat loss from the building and equipment running, then this will be seen by monitoring station. I had liiked at previous data for March, and there is a rise in temerature anytime the wind blows from the north to east direction. this is a good indication for me that the extra heat being seen is from that remote outpost.
Did you look at my post in the other thread I linked?
This is a relatively new outpost, and they are expanding it. I assume the antropogenic warming they saw was from new constructiuon, or something similar.
None of these temperatures were observed. They are based entirely upon bogus computer models. The actual temperature data, shown in the Tweet, shows that observed temperatures were well within their maximum range. There is no such thing as "anthropogenic" warming. Only a complete idiot could concoct such stupidity.Wille said the warm conditions over Antarctica were spurred by an extreme atmospheric river, or a narrow corridor of water vapor in the sky, on its east coast. According to computer models, the atmospheric river made landfall on Tuesday between the Dumont d’Urville and Casey Stations and dropped an intense amount of rainfall, potentially causing a significant melt event in the area.
You know that 70°F discrepancy is based upon a computer model and not actual observation, right? Based upon actual observations all the temperatures from each of the stations are below record levels. This is a big nothing, Fake News based upon obviously faulty computer models.
Wait for it. This coming September, when the sun finally returns to Antarctica these freaks will make a big deal about the ozone hole that developed over the 90 days Antarctica was in complete darkness. It never fails, they do it every year hoping some moron will panic.
I assume the antropogenic warming they saw was from new constructiuon, or something similar.
I know the spike is there. Yesterday, I traced the valid information. I posted it in a different thread, bit should have posted it here, and referred to it here. There is my previous post:new construction?! perhaps the construction workers left the sauna door open which was right by "the official thermometer" opps!!
sigh,... computer models are not just made up bull$hit there is some well understood science being used,... take for example the very real temperature readings at "dome c"
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note the spike (as well as the elevation coordinates in the graphic)
I've never been employed as a working climate scientist but I do have a physics degree and also learned how to fly while still in high school so just thinking out loud that working the problem backwards using the idea of a "lapse rate" from pilot training is what was used to get the 70F being discussed by main stream media like The Washington Post
For unsaturated air, the lapse rate is 3°C per 1000 feet; this is called the Dry Adiabatic Lapse Rate (DALR). However, when the parcel of air reaches the Dew Point and becomes saturated, water vapour condenses, latent heat is released during the condensation process, which warms the air, and the lapse rate reduces. The Saturated Adiabatic Lapse Rate (SALR), or Moist Adiabatic Lapse Rate (MALR), is therefore the rate at which saturated air cools with height and is, at low levels and latitudes, 1.5°C per thousand feet. At higher altitudes and latitudes, where there is generally less water content in the air, and therefore less latent heat to release, the SALR is closer to 3°C per thousand feet.
http://skybrary.aero/articles/lapse-rate
then there is pretty solid technical details about the antarctic heat wave event,...
A Powerful Heatwave is Affecting a Large part of Antarctica with Unprecedented Warm Temperatures More than 40 degrees Above Average
The warmest temperature ever recorded in a permanent weather station of the Antarctic Plateau in 66 operational years has been reached during an unprecedented heat wave in the Concordia-Dome C research station on March 18th, 2022. A powerful inflow of warm winds from Australia brought...www.severe-weather.eu
This is a relatively new outpost, and they are expanding it. I assume the antropogenic warming they saw was from new constructiuon, or something similar.
'concerned'. Well that can mean anything.The good thing is over 70 percent of the American citizenry is concerned about global warming.
The politicians, not so much.
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