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Ted Cruz Tells Reporters "I'm a Christian First, American Second"

LaylaWindu said:
Wow you just aren't getting it. His religious views don't matter to whats best for america because that would be based on his subjective opinions and not the constitution and peoples rights. Once again you are talking anarchy. As for what his religious views are, based on his words they seem VERY dangerous unless he wants to clarify and say he misspoke. Currently they are VERY different than simply saying god bless america.
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This thread is about Cruz, not Obama.
 
VanceMack said:
You people are still bleating on about parts of a quote taken completely out of context?

“I’m a Christian first, American second, conservative third and Republican fourth” when asked of his allegiance to THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

You people...I swear to God.

Then again...so did he...

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Not the same at all to what he actually said. If he meant something different than what he said he can clarify.
 
I really do not have a problem with his stated priorities. As a young Marine I remember it was God, Country, Corps. Kinda the same thing. IF you are a Christian of course God comes first.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Wow you just aren't getting it. His religious views don't matter to whats best for america because that would be based on his subjective opinions and not the constitution and peoples rights. Once again you are talking anarchy. As for what his religious views are, based on his words they seem VERY dangerous unless he wants to clarify and say he misspoke. Currently they are VERY different than simply saying god bless america.
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Right is right, good is good, constructive is constructive, constitutional is constitutional regardless of how a person arrives at that. If the path to those conclusions come through a person's faith, how is that a bad thing? Ted Cruz is a staunch constitutional originalist who would never advocate anarchy. That I am completely confident in stating as fact based on his track record, not on my personal opinion of Ted Cruz.
 
AGENT J said:
Wow thats a very dramatic hyperbolic straw man that nobody ever said LMAO
seems you made up a lot of things that wasn't said at all.

ANyway I'm a christian and christians are very suitable to be president just like ANYBODY but any person that is going to violate the oath of office and make all their presidential decisions based on something OTHER than the constitution/people is not fit for office on so many basics common sense levels it's astounding. It would make the constitution, rights and many laws all meaningless to them. No thanks!

and that goes for ANYBODY, if they happen to be a Christian and CLAIM they are doing it in the name of my faith thats their issue but that wont be the reality and they will be unfit for office because they admit they dont care about their oath, the constitution, rights or laws and NOT because they are simply Christian.

Its a very easy to understand and basic concept.
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Yes this, very good post. I'm a christian and I also agree.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Not the same at all to what he actually said. If he meant something different than what he said he can clarify.
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That's exactly what he said, verbatim from your OP. What the hell are you talking about?
 
LaylaWindu said:
Keep the drama to a minimum please, nobody said any of that.
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I'll use whatever drama I choose to use thank you very much. And perhaps those who are accusing and demonizing Ted Cruz and reading all sorts of stuff into his comments--stuff he hasn't and I am sure wouldn't say--should take your advice. He hasn't said any of the things you and others have been accusing him of either.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Don't worry, he's not being serious. He's straight up lying. If he were a Christian first, many of his policies would be entirely different.
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Well that may be the case but what do you have in mind? I'm not sure we can make the decision but I might tend to agree with any examples you have.
 
mak2 said:
I really do not have a problem with his stated priorities. As a young Marine I remember it was God, Country, Corps. Kinda the same thing. IF you are a Christian of course God comes first.
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Exactly. Being "a Christian first" doesn't mean you plan to preside over a theocratic dictatorship. I suspect the people making a big deal out of this already know this. :roll:
 
mak2 said:
I really do not have a problem with his stated priorities. As a young Marine I remember it was God, Country, Corps. Kinda the same thing. IF you are a Christian of course God comes first.
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I do. If you are a President, the Constitution comes first.
 
Would you worship or pray to the constitution? I think it is pretty obvious what he is talking about.
jimbo said:
I do. If you are a President, the Constitution comes first.
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LaylaWindu said:
Not the same at all to what he actually said. If he meant something different than what he said he can clarify.
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I posted what he ACTUALLY said.
 
Nilly said:
If you were president and god came to you and asked you to commit treason/betray the american people, would you?
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Why would god ever do that? You'll have to give me a better example. It's possible I could commit treason without god if the scenario is perfect and it's also very possible I would tell god no. Maybe it's a test to see how I treat my fellow man.
 
Sherman123 said:
I totally and completely understand and sympathize with his remarks. If you believe in God it makes complete sense. However it means he should not be President.
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Actually it doesn't, I believe in god and his words make no sense as he stated them as a person running for president. But I do agree if he meant them the way he stated them he definitely should not be president.
 
mak2 said:
Would you worship or pray to the constitution? I think it is pretty obvious what he is talking about.
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No I wouldn't.

It's obvious to me what he is talking about. With Cruz, the Bible comes first, the Constitution. His words.

As for the qualifications for Presidency, only those who begin their day on their day on their knees are presidential material. His words.

He's made other similar comments. I believe him.

Something I don't get. Young Falwell has endorsed Trump. Cruz announced at Liberty.
What's that all about?
 
Objective Voice said:
Hence, the reason a guy like Mike Huckabee will never get my vote! Let me put it this way:

If you have a problem with religious leaders making public policy based on religious tenants, ala, Taliban or Muslim Brotherhood, then how do you rationalize voting for an American Christian religious zealot? I get that many people firmly believe that America is a Christian nation, but electing someone to a position of such power as the POTUS that isn't meant to embody governing as if you're the Pope would be no different than putting the Ayatollah in the White House.

BIG MISTAKE!
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Agreed, like I said if he meant something different, other than what he actually said, then so be it and I have no problem with it. I hope he did mean it different but what he said is dangerous.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Perhaps he sounds that way to those who don't like him and wouldn't vote for him anyway. But he has zero record of using or suggesting that his religious faith would interfere with the intent of the Constitution in any way. So I have to believe those accusing him in that way are doing so out of prejudice and not due to anything he has ever said or promoted or done.
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Well that's not the case for me (don't like him) but you want me to ignore his words and guess. That I can't do because it doesn't make any sense. And you'r views of him doing zero are also not true.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Agreed, like I said if he meant something different, other than what he actually said, then so be it and I have no problem with it. I hope he did mean it different but what he said is dangerous.
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Me too. However, I have little doubt that Cruz meant that religion trumps Constitution. There is no way in hell I could support anyone of any religion who feels that way.
 
All about politics and money, not religion. It amazed me the Republican fundamentalist (both Protestant and Catholic) base voted for Romney at all. He is a cult member per their religious beliefs. Sometimes political doctrine is just more important.
jimbo said:
No I wouldn't.

It's obvious to me what he is talking about. With Cruz, the Bible comes first, the Constitution. His words.

As for the qualifications for Presidency, only those who begin their day on their day on their knees are presidential material. His words.

He's made other similar comments. I believe him.

Something I don't get. Young Falwell has endorsed Trump. Cruz announced at Liberty.
What's that all about?
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mak2 said:
I really do not have a problem with his stated priorities. As a young Marine I remember it was God, Country, Corps. Kinda the same thing. IF you are a Christian of course God comes first.
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But that's not true, I'm a christian and God comes first in my personal life but I would never put my religion first over the constitution and people rights as president. I know there are many sayings out there but they aren't literal, he seems to have meant this literally, if he didn't I also think its a fine statement and I said so in my OP. For example would if have been fine for half the marines in your group to stop in the middle of a mission, let you and the other have be killed, also blowing the mission and say that's what their god wanted? Just saying those saying aren't literal and in that sense I'm good with them and I hope that was the case here but it doesn't seem to be.
 
Yes it was God first, but as a Young Marine I would not even consider not shining my boots cause God told me not to, however that might come into play in combat when my NCOIC told me to kill a noncombatant or something. Since the constitution is based on Juedo-Christian values I have a hard time...wait a minute, what if a Muslim ran for President? IS that why the conservatives are suddenly keeps God out of the executive branch?
LaylaWindu said:
But that's not true, I'm a christian and God comes first in my personal life but I would never put my religion first over the constitution and people rights as president. I know there are many sayings out there but they aren't literal, he seems to have meant this literally, if he didn't I also think its a fine statement and I said so in my OP. For example would if have been fine for half the marines in your group to stop in the middle of a mission, let you and the other have be killed, also blowing the mission and say that's what their god wanted? Just saying those saying aren't literal and in that sense I'm good with them and I hope that was the case here but it doesn't seem to be.
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AlbqOwl said:
Right is right, good is good, constructive is constructive, constitutional is constitutional regardless of how a person arrives at that. If the path to those conclusions come through a person's faith, how is that a bad thing? Ted Cruz is a staunch constitutional originalist who would never advocate anarchy. That I am completely confident in stating as fact based on his track record, not on my personal opinion of Ted Cruz.
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You are talking about things that are subjective vs things that are not. Right and good and constructive are all subjective. So yes taking a path through ones faith to get there can EASILY be a bad thing. That's just basic reality and common sense. For example if his religion was the all dogs are great religion so he deiced what was good and right and constructive was to kill all cats and to jail all cat lovers even though that went against the constitution who is that objectively good for again? Also your statement about Ted/fact no matter how "you" qualify it is just a personal opinion.
 
countryboy said:
That's exactly what he said, verbatim from your OP. What the hell are you talking about?
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Yes what he said in my op is dangerous and if he meant it literally it gets him a no vote. The pictures of people with their hand on a bible are meaningless. Try to keep up.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I'll use whatever drama I choose to use thank you very much. And perhaps those who are accusing and demonizing Ted Cruz and reading all sorts of stuff into his comments--stuff he hasn't and I am sure wouldn't say--should take your advice. He hasn't said any of the things you and others have been accusing him of either.
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Well you are free to use what ever uber-hyped, over the top, dramatic, gratuitous, unwarranted and unfounded straw man you like but people will also call it out for the dishonesty it is. Also he said EXACTLY what I said he said, it was his quote so again your drama is note Making stuff up doesn't help. Maybe some others made things up about him but I have not. Is he your cousin or something? haha
 
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