Team Biden Somehow Failed to Hire Someone to Fight Vaxx Disinfo

[Monica33]

they are only hurting themselves, as almost ALL NEW DEATHS are the unvaccinated.

Quite the opposite .

You are literally marked -- or , to to be scientific , blood contaminated .

40 trillion mRNA 'messages' jabbed into your arm and 75% of them in your blood stream . Literally . God help you all .

Your second assertion is just nonsense .Complete and utter garbage . But I can no longer be bothered to even discuss it . You will find out soon enough .

 

[Metric Mouse]

One fail and he's just like Trump? Things like rapidly setting up a functional vaccine distribution system when there was effectively nothing don't move the needle, while not doing Trumpian things like killing mass testing plans out of a calculation of political gain to be had if one can blame opposing-party governors for deaths don't either?

Tough crowd.....




He probably should have set a team on combating disinformation. I'm not sure it would have mattered. If we're honest, we have to admit what we've seen: Trumpists were told to reject anything that doesn't match what Trump/OANN/etc say, and they obeyed. They're gonna listen to Biden's disinformation czar? Yeah, right.


But still...would've been good to try.

To be fair, 6 months later we are vaccinating fewer people per day than we were on inauguration day, and that's with less than 50% of the country fully vaccinated...

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Trump still living in your head?

Not mine. I got vaccinated as soon as I could and I didn't (and still don't) give a damn whether Mr. Trump thinks that doing so is a sign of "disloyalty" or not.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

To be fair, 6 months later we are vaccinating fewer people per day than we were on inauguration day, and that's with less than 50% of the country fully vaccinated...​

To actually be fair, once you run through the pool of people who are willing to be vaccinated, you aren't going to be doing anything BUT vaccinating fewer people per day - and the US is fast draining the pool of people who are willing to be vaccinated (despite the extremely belated "efforts" of those who have spent the past year telling people that they should NOT get vaccinated to - NOW - [sorta] tell the people that they convinced NOT to get vaccinated that they should get vaccinated).

As of yesterday, the US had partially vaccinated 56.4% of its total population and fully vaccinated 48.8% of its total population while Canada has partially vaccinated 70.9% and fully vaccinated 55.2% (with the Canadian leads increasing daily). The discrepancies appear to relate to the way that the US political milieu divides itself.​

GREEN BACKGROUND = 70%+ Vaccinated
WHITE BACKGROUND = 55% to 70% Vaccinated
RED BACKGROUND = LESS THAN 55% Vaccinated
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NOT getting vaccinated is, to many people, **P*R*O*O*F** of their loyalty and devotion to Mr. Trump and if that means that they and/or their loved ones have to die in order to **P*R*O*V*E** their loyalty and devotion to Mr. Trump, well, that's just 'The ***A*M*E*R*I*C*A*N*** Way'.

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[snakestretcher]

it's always funny to me, as an actual Principal of a company that i founded, when people talk about the things that I or my senior staff did wrong/didn't anticipate.

since none of us are perfect i just ignore them and concentrate on the thousands of things we did right (and then make adjustments). they don't wear my shoes nor are they in the room when decisions are made and priorities set.

Yes, hindsight is always 20-20. The UK Labour party leader, Keir Starmer, is a prime suspect in that respect, always badgering Johnson about why he didn't do so-and-so. Cheap shots which achieve nothing.

 

[snakestretcher]

Biden can barely take a dump without assistance. Nobody listens to him.

They quite evidently do and like what they hear; which why he is president and One Term isn't.

 

[bluesmoke]

If we don't have to take the COVID vax, why continue taking other vax? You know, diphtheria, measles, rubella, and polio. Why should we have to take them? Maybe the govt is going to start putting microchips into those vax. Sending signals to our brains that creates an illusion of our lives while controlling our actions. The Matrix. Maybe they already did it with the childhood vax. Maybe whatever I post and what you read doesn't matter, because it's all an illusion anyway. It'd be so depressing, but for that blue-sky chip they put into me. Vote Republican.

 

[holbritter]

So he should of said you are not going to get hospitalized or die from covid if you are vaccinated? Why was what he said misinformation?

Be honest, you don't realize the difference and how that could be misinformation? You wouldn't have let Trump get away with something like that. Just saying.

 

[iguanaman]

Be honest, you don't realize the difference and how that could be misinformation? You wouldn't have let Trump get away with something like that. Just saying.

No I actually don't see any important difference. Getting a vaccine means not getting (really) sick from covid.

 

[Metric Mouse]

To actually be fair, once you run through the pool of people who are willing to be vaccinated, you aren't going to be doing anything BUT vaccinating fewer people per day - and the US is fast draining the pool of people who are willing to be vaccinated (despite the extremely belated "efforts" of those who have spent the past year telling people that they should NOT get vaccinated to - NOW - [sorta] tell the people that they convinced NOT to get vaccinated that they should get vaccinated).

As of yesterday, the US had partially vaccinated 56.4% of its total population and fully vaccinated 48.8% of its total population while Canada has partially vaccinated 70.9% and fully vaccinated 55.2% (with the Canadian leads increasing daily). The discrepancies appear to relate to the way that the US political milieu divides itself.​

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WHITE BACKGROUND = 55% to 70% Vaccinated
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NOT getting vaccinated is, to many people, **P*R*O*O*F** of their loyalty and devotion to Mr. Trump and if that means that they and/or their loved ones have to die in order to **P*R*O*V*E** their loyalty and devotion to Mr. Trump, well, that's just 'The ***A*M*E*R*I*C*A*N*** Way'.

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Yes, Canada has done an amazing job getting vaccines to the people that live there.

The Biden administration.... clearly not doing as well. Even with a 4? month head start.

 

[Moderate Right]

Team Biden Somehow Failed to Hire Someone to Fight Vaxx Disinfo

While I appreciate the utility of a White House COVID "disinformation-czar", I have my doubts that it would make any difference.

Republicans have joined with anti-vaxxers to make the vaccine, much like the wearing of masks, a political football.

The obvious downside here is that this game of political football will result in thousands of additional and unnecessary US COVID deaths.

It is the left who turned it into a political football. When the young are the biggest percentage of the unvaccinated, the left and the lefty media make it political by calling out Trump supporters. If you don't want it to be political why continue blasting Trump supporters?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Yes, Canada has done an amazing job getting vaccines to the people that live there.

The Biden administration.... clearly not doing as well. Even with a 4? month head start.

Actually the US government has done a pretty damn good job of "getting vaccines to the people that live there" (probably an even better job than the Canadian government has done).

The difference is that the Canadian government, the Canadian people, and the Canadian political parties are more willing to admit the necessity, safety, and effectiveness of the vaccines available than the US government (was under Mr. Trump), the American people, and the "Republican Party" in the US are.

PS - The highest seven day rolling average number of vaccinations per day in the US was 3.38 million and that is a DAMN impressive number. Can you guess which US President that number was reached under?
(PICK ONE ONLY)

___ George Washington​

___ Julius Caesar​

___ Abraham Lincoln​

___ William Shatner​

___ George HW Bush​

___ Michael Buble​

___ William Jefferson Clinton​

___ Idi Amin​

___ George W Bush​

___ Pancho Villa​

___ Barack Obama​

___ Alphonse Capone​

___ Donald Trump​

___ Hugh Hefner​

___ Joseph Biden​

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

It is the left who turned it into a political football. When the young are the biggest percentage of the unvaccinated, the left and the lefty media make it political by calling out Trump supporters. If you don't want it to be political why continue blasting Trump supporters?

Possibly because citing actual data is NOT the same thing as "blasting Trump supporters"

The actual data (NOTE - Due to incredibly spotty reporting from US states lately, the "actual data" isn't all that reliable) is

GREEN background = more than 70% vaccinated
WHITE background = between 55% and 70% vaccinated
RED background = less than 55% vaccinated

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So you can see that the states that are "Left Of American Middle" have 25% "in the red", the states that are "Mostly Occupying American Middle" have 71.43% "in the red" and the states that are "Right Of American Middle" have 97.92% "in the red".

You may not like those numbers, but they are the official numbers provided by the governments of the several states themselves.

Now, you like to carp about "the young" not getting vaccinated, and I'm prepared to go along with you to a certain extent on that one.

HOWEVER, what I want to see you produce to REALLY prove your point is a table that shows distribution by age cohort that separates each age cohort into "Democrat vaccinated', "Democrat unvaccinated", "Republican vaccinated', "Republican unvaccinated", "Independent vaccinated", "Independent unvaccinated", "Other stated party vaccinated", "Other states party unvaccinated", "No stated party vaccinated", and "No stated party unvaccinated".

Not that I actually expect you to actually produce any actual evidence that supports your claim, but I am prepared to bet you that in each and every one of those age cohorts the "Republican unvaccinated" is the preponderant percentage. Hell, I'd even bet you that the "Republican unvaccinated" was the preponderant percentage if you normalized the data so that it reflected the overall "Republican percentage" in the age cohorts.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Actually the US government has done a pretty damn good job of "getting vaccines to the people that live there" (probably an even better job than the Canadian government has done).

The difference is that the Canadian government, the Canadian people, and the Canadian political parties are more willing to admit the necessity, safety, and effectiveness of the vaccines available than the US government (was under Mr. Trump), the American people, and the "Republican Party" in the US are.

PS - The highest seven day rolling average number of vaccinations per day in the US was 3.38 million and that is a DAMN impressive number. Can you guess which US President that number was reached under?
(PICK ONE ONLY)

___ George Washington​

___ Julius Caesar​

___ Abraham Lincoln​

___ William Shatner​

___ George HW Bush​

___ Michael Buble​

___ William Jefferson Clinton​

___ Idi Amin​

___ George W Bush​

___ Pancho Villa​

___ Barack Obama​

___ Alphonse Capone​

___ Donald Trump​

___ Hugh Hefner​

___ Joseph Biden​

Ummm... judging by our vaccination rates, it's clearly slipping. We used to be well ahead of the rest of the planet (save UK) and now we're... just ok. Despite having a majority of people not fully vaccinated.

Even Canada is beating us! 6 months ago we were vaccinating 1 million people per day; we're down to half that now.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Ummm... judging by our vaccination rates, it's clearly slipping. We used to be well ahead of the rest of the planet (save UK) and now we're... just ok. Despite having a majority of people not fully vaccinated.

Even Canada is beating us! 6 months ago we were vaccinating 1 million people per day; we're down to half that now.

Yep, the US was doing quite well whilst it maintained a virtual monopoly on effective vaccines. Now other countries have accessed their own vaccine supplies (since the US had roughly 125% of the total amount of the vaccine it needs to fully vaccinate every American who is willing to get vaccinated and the US companies now have to look for other markets) and the US is in the process of draining the pool of people who are willing to get vaccinated. Which means that the US vaccination rate is going to decline REGARDLESS of the fact that the US has just bundles of vaccine and oodles of places where people can get vaccinated.

NOTE - Important point in the above has been bolded.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Yep, the US was doing quite well whilst it maintained a virtual monopoly on effective vaccines. Now other countries have accessed their own vaccine supplies (since the US had roughly 125% of the total amount of the vaccine it needs to fully vaccinate every American who is willing to get vaccinated and the US companies now have to look for other markets) and the US is in the process of draining the pool of people who are willing to get vaccinated. Which means that the US vaccination rate is going to decline REGARDLESS of the fact that the US has just bundles of vaccine and oodles of places where people can get vaccinated.

NOTE - Important point in the above has been bolded.

Yes, the Biden administration has failed to get vaccines into arms, in a way that no other country with vaccine access has.

Not a thing that anyone should be calling a success.

 

[holbritter]

No I actually don't see any important difference. Getting a vaccine means not getting (really) sick from covid.

I agree, but that's not what he said. And by saying that's what he meant, is the same argument used by Trump supporters.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Yes, the Biden administration has failed to get vaccines into arms, in a way that no other country with vaccine access has.

Not a thing that anyone should be calling a success.

Short of "Mandatory Vaccination", how do you propose to "get vaccines into arms" when the arms are attached to someone who simply refuses to get vaccinated because getting vaccinated would show disloyalty to Mr. Trump?

You might find

Vaccination in America Might Have Only One Tragic Path Forward
(from The Atlantic)​

and

Vaccinated America Has Had Enough
(from The Atlantic)​

rather interesting.

BTW, since "The Biden Administration" is actually committed to getting people vaccinated because it considers that vaccination is a safe and effective means of combating a real threat and "The Trump Administration" was NOT actually committed to getting people vaccinated because it did not consider that vaccination was a safe and effective means of combating a threat that it didn't believe was real - exactly how much more successful do you think a "Second Trump Administration" would have been at "get(ting) vaccines into arms" than "The Biden Administration" has been? Personally, I think that it would have been around 0.5 times as effective, but that doesn't even come up to the WAG level for potential accuracy.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Short of "Mandatory Vaccination", how do you propose to "get vaccines into arms" when the arms are attached to someone who simply refuses to get vaccinated because getting vaccinated would show disloyalty to Mr. Trump?

You might find

Vaccination in America Might Have Only One Tragic Path Forward
(from The Atlantic)​

and

Vaccinated America Has Had Enough
(from The Atlantic)​

rather interesting.

BTW, since "The Biden Administration" is actually committed to getting people vaccinated because it considers that vaccination is a safe and effective means of combating a real threat and "The Trump Administration" was NOT actually committed to getting people vaccinated because it did not consider that vaccination was a safe and effective means of combating a threat that it didn't believe was real - exactly how much more successful do you think a "Second Trump Administration" would have been at "get(ting) vaccines into arms" than "The Biden Administration" has been? Personally, I think that it would have been around 0.5 times as effective, but that doesn't even come up to the WAG level for potential accuracy.

You claim they are committed to getting people vaccinated, but... they are not actually getting people vaccinated.

I'm sure they *say* they are committed, but sometimes results are more important than lip service, and a deadly pandemic happens to be one of those scenarios. The buck stops somewhere, and the Biden administration is failing tragically to deliver upon their vaccination goals.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

You claim they are committed to getting people vaccinated, but... they are not actually getting people vaccinated.

I'm sure they *say* they are committed, but sometimes results are more important than lip service, and a deadly pandemic happens to be one of those scenarios. The buck stops somewhere, and the Biden administration is failing tragically to deliver upon their vaccination goals.

That didn't appear to bother you when Mr. Trump was president. Of course, it would have been pretty difficult for anyone to fault Mr. Trump for not meeting his goals since he never actually had any clearly articulated goals (well, other than, "I wanna be relected." I mean).

Mr. Biden's administration appears to have done something which has caused a "slight" improvement from the conditions when Mr. Trump was the president.

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[Metric Mouse]

That didn't appear to bother you when Mr. Trump was president. Of course, it would have been pretty difficult for anyone to fault Mr. Trump for not meeting his goals since he never actually had any clearly articulated goals (well, other than, "I wanna be relected." I mean).

Mr. Biden's administration appears to have done something which has caused a "slight" improvement from the conditions when Mr. Trump was the president.

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Trump had already been removed from office by the time vaccine production ramped up. He absolutely failed in his goal of having a vaccine available on election day, though his threatening to fire people at the FDA did seem to speed up the approval process.

As much as Trump failed, a comparative analysis would show that we were vaccinating 2x as many people per day on his last day in office as we are today, despite having 1/3 of the vaccine availability.

How badly does one have to do to be objectively worse than Trump?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Trump had already been removed from office by the time vaccine production ramped up. He absolutely failed in his goal of having a vaccine available on election day, though his threatening to fire people at the FDA did seem to speed up the approval process.

As much as Trump failed, a comparative analysis would show that we were vaccinating 2x as many people per day on his last day in office as we are today, despite having 1/3 of the vaccine availability.

How badly does one have to do to be objectively worse than Trump?

When Mr. Trump lost the election, the pool of people who were willing to be vaccinated was MUCH larger than it is today.

Your "complaint" makes as much sense as complaining that you are catching fewer fish in a pond that has been almost totally fished out than you were when the pond was teeming with fish.

 

[Metric Mouse]

When Mr. Trump lost the election, the pool of people who were willing to be vaccinated was MUCH larger than it is today.

Your "complaint" makes as much sense as complaining that you are catching fewer fish in a pond that has been almost totally fished out than you were when the pond was teeming with fish.

The pond is less than 50% fished. There's more fish in the pond than out of it, plus 3x as many nets in the water.

Your defense makes as much sense as saying a professional fleet of fishermen and a nation of fish hatcheries can't outfish one drunk captain in a dingy because that captain is on a prime fishing spot and has his lucky bait...

 

[MAGAnificent]

They quite evidently do and like what they hear; which why he is president and One Term isn't.

And judging by Dopey Joe's mental state...he confused Trump with Obama yesterday, he may be less then one term.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Not mine. I got vaccinated as soon as I could and I didn't (and still don't) give a damn whether Mr. Trump thinks that doing so is a sign of "disloyalty" or not.

Sign of disloyalty for getting vaccinated? Yep. He's living in your head.