Teaching Black History Not Acceptable?

[Josie]

Yes we are a melting pot. We are all immigrants except for our indigenous peoples. Why exclude black people from anywhere? Do you find them offensive or unworthy of honoring and recognizing their contributions?

No, we are all descendants from immigrants except for indigenous people. People who were born in the US aren't immigrants just because their ancestors were.

 

[Josie]

Hey why do we have classes called chemistry, physics & biology. Isnt it like all just SCIENCE??

GAWLLL!!

Poor analogy.

We don't teach the black science, queer science, white science, trans science. Should I teach queer reading, white reading, black reading to my first graders? Which of the phonemes in the English language are trans?

 

[Gozaburo]

No, we are all descendants from immigrants except for indigenous people. People who were born in the US aren't immigrants just because their ancestors were.

Frankly I think this standard of sovereignty and a "right to the land" is absurd and in-part is what motivates atrocities like Gaza. Even "indigenous" peoples were themselves nomads and immigrants at some point in time who had conquered, raped, and outbred rival tribes and civilizations to carve themselves out a particular chunk of land.

 

[ScrambledEggs]

Poor analogy.

We don't teach the black science, queer science, white science, trans science. Should I teach queer reading, white reading, black reading to my first graders? Which of the phonemes in the English language are trans?

ya'll really are slow

You see the point is that all subjects get broken down into sub-categories. That's how ALL academia & knowledge works.

There is no functional or emotional difference in breaking down "History" into its sub-categories than breaking down "Math" or "Science" into its own sub-categories.

Because at the highest levels, even "American History" - the subject matter is too vast to study anything specific in depth.

But since this sub-category "Black History" involves Black people, all of your panties get in a twist because even the thought of Black people & their history makes you very very uncomfortable and/or perhaps jealous or feeling victimized. And instead of admitting that, you dance around it, just like the "All Lives Matter" dog-whistles.

 

[Josie]

ya'll really are slow

You see the point is that all subjects get broken down into sub-categories. That's how ALL academia & knowledge works.

There is no functional or emotional difference in breaking down "History" into its sub-categories than breaking down "Math" or "Science" into its own sub-categories.

Because at the highest levels, even "American History" - the subject matter is too vast to study anything specific in depth.

But since this sub-category "Black History" involves Black people, all of your panties get in a twist because even the thought of Black people & their history makes you very very uncomfortable and/or perhaps jealous or feeling victimized.

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Yet, only history gets broken down by race, gender, sexual identity. Why not other subjects?

Black people are part of history, period. You can't teach about the genesis of American history (a sub-category of history) without talking about black people. You shouldn't teach about the history of space exploration and NASA (sub-categories of history and science) without talking about the amazing African American women who contributed to it. We don't skip over all of the black people parts and save it for February. That's idiotic.

 

[jaypatriot]

For the same reason that poetry of the Victorian Era is a separate course from Poetry . People want to know more details, examples, poets lives, poetic structure, themes, etc about Victorian poets and poetry. Minnesota State offers an entire BA in Scandinavian Studies. 15% of our population is Black, why shouldn't there be studies in Black history.Boston College offers several courses called Irish Studies. Why are you hostile to a course in Black history and not one in Scandinavian or Irish history?

I no longer have any use for Liberal Arts classes that are simply fun to take.
If I have an interest in a topic, like ancient Egyptian history, I don't need to have some professor standing in front of me telling me what I should hear or read.
Right now, I am delving into Ancient Egypt culture and history because that is where I will be in less than three months. So I have a specific reason to learn the history of that civilization. And I don't need a class or a teacher to show me what I should learn.
And, certainly, if I suddenly woke up one morning interested in black history, I can't think of a single reason why I would need to go to a school to become familiar with that subject. There are Internet sites, documentaries, and books to tell me everything I need to know about black history.

 

[jaypatriot]

Yes we are a melting pot. We are all immigrants except for our indigenous peoples. Why exclude black people from anywhere? Do you find them offensive or unworthy of honoring and recognizing their contributions?

No one is excluding anyone from anything.
Anyone can learn anything they choose to learn.
People interested in a particular topic have thousands of different ways to learn about that topic.
For whatever reason, the people on this site who are fixated on school classes needed to learn black history refuse to accept the idea if one is interested in a particular topic they can learn that topic through online classes, Internet searches, library books, and Youtube videos.

 

[jaypatriot]

Idk why they call different math classes different names. Like why dont they just call it MATH CLASS 1, 2, 3, 4!! ITS ALL JUST MATH!!

GAWLLL

There are disciplines within Math. Just as there are disciplines within HIstory.
If there are 190 different countries, should there be 190 different history courses?
Does black history apply only to blacks in America or does it have to go back to different regions in Africa to talk about African tribes fighting other African tribes for the purpose of capturing natives for sale to the white slave traders? Is that also part of black history to be taught in American schools.
I am trying to understand the purpose and objective of schools creating a black history course(s) and from which period in history such a class would start.

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[Parrish]

No one is excluding anyone from anything.
Anyone can learn anything they choose to learn.
People interested in a particular topic have thousands of different ways to learn about that topic.
For whatever reason, the people on this site who are fixated on school classes needed to learn black history refuse to accept the idea if one is interested in a particular topic they can learn that topic through online classes, Internet searches, library books, and Youtube videos.

But not in public schools or colleges or universities, is that what you're saying?

 

[j brown's body]

No, we are all descendants from immigrants except for indigenous people. People who were born in the US aren't immigrants just because their ancestors were.

 

[Boots]

He has as much as said that he is only interested in knowing, honoring and recognizing the contributions of protestant White people.

No he hasn't. While you may disagree with his stance on a separate black history class, why lie about his actual stance? Shouldn't debate at least be honest about the position of your opponent?

 

[j brown's body]

There are disciplines within Math. Just as there are disciplines within HIstory.
If there are 190 different countries, should there be 190 different history courses?
Does black history apply only to blacks in America or does it have to go back to different regions in Africa to talk about African tribes fighting other African tribes for the purpose of capturing natives for sale to the white slave traders? Is that also part of black history to be taught in American schools.
I am trying to understand the purpose and objective of schools creating a black history course(s) and from which period in history such a class would start.

26 Different Types of Mathematics​

Mathematics, to put it simply, is the study of numbers. But it is not merely numbers. Mathematics also involves structure, space, and change. Mathematics can be studied as its own discipline or can be applied to other field of studies.
Applied mathematics is those which are used in other sciences such as engineering, physics, chemistry, medicine, even social sciences, etc. Pure mathematics on the other hand is the theoretical study of the subject, and practical applications are discovered through its study.

26 Different Types of Mathematics

Mathematics, to put it simply, is the study of numbers. Here are 26 different types of math and where they are used...

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Yes, schools offer many different kinds of history classes. For example, we offered military history, a history of the Holocaust, History Through Film among others.

Its an excellent opportunity for students to analyze history through a variety of perspectives.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Black history makes MAGA feel bad.

 

[j brown's body]

What is the rationale behind promoting 'black history' classes to the exclusion of "Hispanic History" or "Asian History" classes.?
Is 'black history' some sort of specialized field requiring a separate curriculum in order to understand how African Americans influenced the development of our country? Aren't we a melting pot of many ethnic groups with their own, unique cultures? Do we need to single out a particular ethnic group or culture in order to understand the entire mosaic which is our country over the past three centuries?

Hispanic History would be a fascinating topic to teach, especially today.

Geographically, we are used to learning American History through the Anglo point of view and thus begin in the east and follow westward expansion. Learning Hispanic History would involve a journey from south to north.

 

[noonereal]

Teaching Black History Not Acceptable?

No, it is not.

 

[j brown's body]

Poor analogy.

We don't teach the black science, queer science, white science, trans science. Should I teach queer reading, white reading, black reading to my first graders? Which of the phonemes in the English language are trans?

Variety is always good.

 

[jaypatriot]

But not in public schools or colleges or universities, is that what you're saying?

I am saying that a separate course in black history is not necessary if one wants to learn about African Americans as part of the history of this country.

 

[jaypatriot]

Yet, only history gets broken down by race, gender, sexual identity. Why not other subjects?

Black people are part of history, period. You can't teach about the genesis of American history (a sub-category of history) without talking about black people. You shouldn't teach about the history of space exploration and NASA (sub-categories of history and science) without talking about the amazing African American women who contributed to it. We don't skip over all of the black people parts and save it for February. That's idiotic.

Within the context of American History, we should always acknowledge the contributions of African Americans to the success of our great country.
Focusing on a single month of our calendar does not make any sense.

 

[yankintx]

Watching the moves of this administration is like watching removing the ornaments from the Christmas tree after the holiday or like the turkey looks after the Thanksgiving meal. Three and one half years to go. What will America look like then? With the MAGAs dividing and the dems looking for a leader I smell a serious effort for a third party coming.

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Third parties historically do not fare well with the electorate on the national stage.

But never say never!

 

[Risky Thicket]

No he hasn't. While you may disagree with his stance on a separate black history class, why lie about his actual stance? Shouldn't debate at least be honest about the position of your opponent?

Actually he has. He posted that he has no interest in Latino anything: people, language, culture, country. Nothing south of the U.S. Mexican border, nothing in South America.

I haven't lied about his stance on black history class. He's never taken one. He stated that he has reached a point in his life where only learns what he wants to learn and he implied that he is uninterested in knowing about Black history, that he learned all he needed to know in school.

All that is his choice. If a person wants to stop learning it is a personal choice. Look, however, at where this nation and now the world is because a U.S. president stopped learning anything in grade school.

Willful ignorance is a thing. In America it is a right. In fact, willful ignorance is considered a virtue by the Heritage Foundation, the Trump administration and by MAGAs. They rely on it.

So far citizens of the U.S. are not required to accept willful ignorance but willful ignorance has become a major challenge for those of us who do not accept it.

 

[j brown's body]

Within the context of American History, we should always acknowledge the contributions of African Americans to the success of our great country.
Focusing on a single month of our calendar does not make any sense.

I taught bith US and African-American History. I was impressed by the role whiteness and race played in virtually every aspect of US history.

African-American history gave us an opportunity to delve deeper into this phenomenon.

 

[Boots]

Actually he has. He posted that he has no interest in Latino anything: people, language, culture, country. Nothing south of the U.S. Mexican border, nothing in South America.

I haven't lied about his stance on black history class. He's never taken one. He stated that he has reached a point in his life where only learns what he wants to learn and he implied that he is uninterested in knowing about Black history, that he learned all he needed to know in school.

All that is his choice. If a person wants to stop learning it is a personal choice. Look, however, at where this nation and now the world is because a U.S. president stopped learning anything in grade school.

Willful ignorance is a thing. In America it is a right. In fact, willful ignorance is considered a virtue by the Heritage Foundation, the Trump administration and by MAGAs. They rely on it.

So far citizens of the U.S. are not required to accept willful ignorance but willful ignorance has become a major challenge for those of us who do not accept it.

I don't want to learn anything else about physics at this point in my life. Does that mean I am willfully ignorant? Of physics, sure. But I learn a lot about a lot of things that aren't physics. I'm going to assume that there are topics you no longer study as well. I won't venture a guess as to what they are, because that would be unfair to you.

 

[rhinefire]

No, it is not.

Native American? Asian? Hispanic? Or just God fearing white Christians?

 

[ScrambledEggs]

10 pages of cons crying about black history

 

[Risky Thicket]

I don't want to learn anything else about physics at this point in my life. Does that mean I am willfully ignorant? Of physics, sure. But I learn a lot about a lot of things that aren't physics. I'm going to assume that there are topics you no longer study as well. I won't venture a guess as to what they are, because that would be unfair to you.

We can certainly agree on our mutual feelings for physics. I know you will never discover a post about physics from me on DP. IF you were ever to discover such a post - I can assure you you won't - there will be no pontification coming from me. I know just enough about physics to remain quiet. This paragraph is most I've ever posted anywhere about physics.

There are a number of subjects I am no longer interested in. It has been my intention not to discuss them here. As with most people I am fairly aware of my topical limitations. If I have an opinion normally I will state it as such and/or ask questions.

If someone hates non-white people I will accept that. I will not however remain quiet about it. If a person states why they hate non-white people my response would likely be more specific. There are people here who hide their prejudices. I assume because they are embarrassed or because they cannot find real justification.

Oddly as it may seem, I find it easier to debate with someone who is up front about their prejudices. I don't trust the sneaky ones.

I have a Black friend who once told me he is more comfortable around white people who are up front in their prejudice toward Black people. Huh? That does not make sense.

"Sure it does", he said. "I know who they are and I know how they feel. It's the sneaky ones that I suspect. With them I aways have my guard up."