Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims

[SgtRock]

Schools in the UK are dropping lessons on the holocaust to avoid offending muslims. This IMO this political correctness at its worst. To think we should not teach the truth to avoid offending muslims who are taught lies in there homes and mosques is offensive to me and most people.

Why are we so worried about how muslims feel? This story is 4 months old and I have not been able to find any updates on it. If anyone has please post them here. Thankyou, Sgt Rock :rock

read articles on this subject at the links below

Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims | the Daily Mail

Teachers Drop Holocaust Out of Fear of Muslim Students - Associated Content

Dhimmi Watch: UK: Teachers drop Holocaust, Crusades, for fear of offending Muslims

 

[Rick]

Like they drop the "dead white males" in the US. One of the fundamental reasons that government education has to be ended is this PC infection.

 

[Thelost1]

Like they drop the "dead white males" in the US. One of the fundamental reasons that government education has to be ended is this PC infection.

They don't, actually, they just don't base all of the LA classes around them any more. Most people do take these lessons, however.

But yeah, Holocaust denial is fvcked up.

 

[Chanda]

Schools in the UK are dropping lessons on the holocaust to avoid offending muslims.

It happened in ONE (1) school:

"One history department in a northern UK city stopped teaching about the Holocaust because it wished to avoid confronting anti-Semitic sentiment and Holocaust denial among some Muslim pupils."

Urban Legends Reference Pages: Holocaust Teaching Ban in the UK

This "news story" is way overblown.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Like they drop the "dead white males" in the US. One of the fundamental reasons that government education has to be ended is this PC infection.

The actions of a single school in another country show that public education does not serve the interests of a democracy or our natl defense?

 

[Gardener]

It happened in ONE (1) school:

"One history department in a northern UK city stopped teaching about the Holocaust because it wished to avoid confronting anti-Semitic sentiment and Holocaust denial among some Muslim pupils."

Urban Legends Reference Pages: Holocaust Teaching Ban in the UK

This "news story" is way overblown.

The report CITED one school. To cite means to use as an example, so that does not necessarily mean that this happened in only one school.

You didn't say whether or not you support this practice, as your response sought only to downplay it. What are your thoughts on the actual practice?

 

[Chanda]

The report CITED one school. To cite means to use as an example, so that does not necessarily mean that this happened in only one school.

The fact that there could have been other schools is not justification for reporting it as fact. Where is the evidence of this happening in "schools" (plural)? According to Snopes, there was only one:

"Even news articles that bear titles such as "Britain Schools Ignore the Holocaust" and "Schools Drop Holocaust Lessons" point out that only one history department in a northern UK school did that. In all the rest of the country's schools, information about the Holocaust was still being imparted to students."

If you read the study, it details how the Holocaust is being taught in other schools.

http://www.dfes.gov.uk/research/data/uploadfiles/RW100.pdf

You didn't say whether or not you support this practice, as your response sought only to downplay it. What are your thoughts on the actual practice?

This was just an isolated case of misguided efforts in one school. It is not worthy of international concern.

 

[Gardener]

The fact that there could have been other schools is not justification for reporting it as fact. Where is the evidence of this happening in "schools" (plural)? According to Snopes, there was only one:

"Even news articles that bear titles such as "Britain Schools Ignore the Holocaust" and "Schools Drop Holocaust Lessons" point out that only one history department in a northern UK school did that. In all the rest of the country's schools, information about the Holocaust was still being imparted to students."

If you read the study, it details how the Holocaust is being taught in other schools.

Actually, what the report stated was that there were barriers present. Did you not read the actual report, yourself? It's exact words were "a number of constraints currently act as barriers" (to teaching sensitive subject matter). It also mentioned the tendency of teachers (plural) to avoid the subject.

The report oulined steps they felt would help rectify the situation, but acknowleged the situation as it exists which is that teachers, for one reason or another,were failing to teach about the Holocaust. That is why they issued the report in the first place -- because there was a problem.

It's no wonder why. Britain has the most radical Muslims in Europe. 15 %of British schoolage Muslims support bin Laden. 40% want to be ruled by Sharia. Alargemajority ofallBritish Muslimswant speach critical of Islam to be criminalized. No wonder teachers are intimidated into silence.

This was just an isolated case of misguided efforts in one school. It is not worthy of international concern.

I will take this as a yes, you do support the sublimation of the truth to bigotry. You were asked a direct question and you failed to object to the practice. By this same reasoning,I would expect you would support teachers failing to talk about race relations in this country for fear of offending the KKK.

Once again. The report did not say the practice was confined to one school. The report said there was a problem in the schools and listed the probable causes for such problems. You are intentionally mischaracterizing the report just as much as anybody does when they try to sensationalize it into a case where the British school system is advocating dropping the Holocaust from its curriculum.

What it is saying is "there is a problem here. Here are the sources of the problem. Here are some solutions. Here is an example of one school that is part of the problem.Here is an example of a school that is part of the solution.

I mean,really now. Do school sytstems write reports like this if it is just the behavior of one or two teachers in one school? Of course not. Common sense should tell you otherwise.You very desperately want to portray it as completely isolated, though, and that is what I don'tunderstand. Why do you support censoring the truth in order to appease viscious racists in the first pace? If you objected,you would have already said so.

That you did not is telling,indeed.

 

[Chanda]

Actually, what the report stated was that there were barriers present. Did you not read the actual report, yourself? It's exact words were "a number of constraints currently act as barriers" (to teaching sensitive subject matter). It also mentioned the tendency of teachers (plural) to avoid the subject.

The study examined "how educators in Britain were teaching sensitive and/or controversial aspects of history and to highlight (which) approaches had worked among those that had been tried." It was not limited specifically to the Holocaust.

The report oulined steps they felt would help rectify the situation, but acknowleged the situation as it exists which is that teachers, for one reason or another,were failing to teach about the Holocaust. That is why they issued the report in the first place -- because there was a problem.

No, the report does not state that teachers were failing to teach about the Holocaust, with the exception of the one example given. That example was given because it was an extreme case. If the study were about multiple schools failing to teach (specifically) the Holocaust, what would be the purpose of mentioning the one example? The listing of "Barriers" to addressing "sensitive and/or controversial aspects of history" doesn't necessary indicate those aspects were not taught or that they were "ignored," because barriers can be overcome. The purpose of the study was to show approaches being used by teachers to address sensitive/controversial events which indicates these issues were being taught.

I will take this as a yes, you do support the sublimation of the truth to bigotry.

I said the efforts of the school were "misguided." How does that indicate support to you?

Once again. The report did not say the practice was confined to one school.

The report did not specify that the Holocaust was "ignored" by any school other than the one in the example. Where is the evidence that more than one school failed to teach (specifically) the Holocaust?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

The report did not say the practice was confined to one school.

Nor did it say that it was confined to the UK. So potentially, every, single school in the entire world may be having this exact same problem. :shock:

I'd better go to my local high school and protest because obviously they're a part of it!

Here's the money quote for those who're interested;

Some teachers also feel that the issues are best avoided in history, believing them to be taught elsewhere in the curriculum such as in citizenship or religious education.

For example, a history department in a northern city recently avoided selecting the Holocaust as a topic for GCSE coursework for fear of confronting anti-Semitic sentiment and Holocaust denial among some Muslim pupils.
​

 

[Vader]

Schools in the UK are dropping lessons on the holocaust to avoid offending muslims. This IMO this political correctness at its worst. To think we should not teach the truth to avoid offending muslims who are taught lies in there homes and mosques is offensive to me and most people.

Why are we so worried about how muslims feel? This story is 4 months old and I have not been able to find any updates on it. If anyone has please post them here. Thankyou, Sgt Rock :rock

read articles on this subject at the links below

Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims | the Daily Mail

Teachers Drop Holocaust Out of Fear of Muslim Students - Associated Content

Dhimmi Watch: UK: Teachers drop Holocaust, Crusades, for fear of offending Muslims

It's outright cowardace and a total lack of trust in those people who wear a uniform. The instructors who have taken this position need to be fired and then outcasted.

There is no excuse for this type of behavior; it does nothing but teach children to be afraid of muslims. Just thinking about it makes me sick to my stomach.

If the Muslims do not like the lesson(s) about the holocuast, they can leave the classroom until the lesson is over. The administrators of this school need to make it clear that kissing muslim *** will NEVER be tolerated.

Freedom ----> :beat <----- Radical Islamic Parasites AND ALL OF THOSE WHO FOLLOW THEM!!!!!!!

 

[Gardener]

Nor did it say that it was confined to the UK. So potentially, every, single school in the entire world may be having this exact same problem. :shock:

I'd better go to my local high school and protest because obviously they're a part of it!

[/INDENT]

My local paper had an article about the increase in crime here in town and cited one particular case. I'm so relieved!! I am relieved because that means there has been only one crime commited here!! In the entire history of civilization, there has been just this one crime because it was in the paper,and I am so relieved because now I can make an absurdist rant about it to mischaracterize Simon's position, and in even bigger bold so I can try make him look like an idiot,too!

What part of the concept of citing an example do you not understand?

 

[Rick]

They don't, actually, they just don't base all of the LA classes around them any more. Most people do take these lessons, however.

No, they actually DO.

 

[Rick]

The actions of a single school in another country show that public education does not serve the interests of a democracy or our natl defense?

"National defense"??? Whaaaaatttttt??? :lol:

 

[bhkad]

Schools in the UK are dropping lessons on the holocaust to avoid offending muslims. This IMO this political correctness at its worst. To think we should not teach the truth to avoid offending muslims who are taught lies in there homes and mosques is offensive to me and most people.

Why are we so worried about how muslims feel? This story is 4 months old and I have not been able to find any updates on it. If anyone has please post them here. Thankyou, Sgt Rock :rock

read articles on this subject at the links below

Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims | the Daily Mail

Teachers Drop Holocaust Out of Fear of Muslim Students - Associated Content

Dhimmi Watch: UK: Teachers drop Holocaust, Crusades, for fear of offending Muslims

I couldn't agree more! :yes:

 

[SgtRock]

Nor did it say that it was confined to the UK. So potentially, every, single school in the entire world may be having this exact same problem. :shock:

I'd better go to my local high school and protest because obviously they're a part of it!

Here's the money quote for those who're interested;

Some teachers also feel that the issues are best avoided in history, believing them to be taught elsewhere in the curriculum such as in citizenship or religious education.

For example, a history department in a northern city recently avoided selecting the Holocaust as a topic for GCSE coursework for fear of confronting anti-Semitic sentiment and Holocaust denial among some Muslim pupils.
​

Key words that would lead one to believe that more than one school was involved are For example

 

[Rick]

More PC fungus creeping into UK schools:

In maths and science, key Muslim contributions such algebra and the number zero will be emphasised to counter Islamophobia.

New curriculum will 'make every lesson politically correct' | the Daily Mail

Meanwhile, the daily news (until they get around to censoring THAT) showing the latest batch of school children blown up by islamofascists will probably counter the countering of "islamophobia". :lamo

 

[Chanda]

UK Holocaust Curriculum Removal Emails Are False

"Within the TEACH report from the Historical Association, there is one particular line relating to Holocaust education which has been the focus of the press and various alarmed emails. It features in the section addressing why teachers avoid teaching certain subjects and states: '. A history department in a northern city recently avoided selecting the Holocaust as a topic for GCSE coursework for fear of confronting anti-Semitic (sic) sentiment and Holocaust denial among some Muslim pupils'.

The key points regarding this statement are:

"This does not refer to Holocaust education on the National Curriculum - it is a post-14 History GCSE course (publicly examined course) . History at GCSE is not compulsory (only a 1/3 of pupils opt for history post-14). This is an anecdotal response from one teacher in one school out of 4500 secondary schools in the UK. While we cannot say what happens in every single school, our understanding is that this is highly unusual and not general practise of teachers around the country. . All schools can choose which history topics they wish to study for coursework at GCSE level. . There is no suggestion that this or any other school is failing to cover the National Curriculum in teaching about the Holocaust at Key Stage 3, Year 9 (age 13 - 14)."--Karen Pollock, Chief Executive, Holocaust Educational Trust

Boycott Watch - UK Holocaust Curriculum Removal Emails Are False

 

[Patrickt]

My childrens' education concerning the Holocaust was at home because their history teacher taught that it hadn't happened. Of course, I complained and got a lecture on academic freedom. Anyway, when I taught my children about the Holocaust I included other holocausts before and after the Holocaust. When my kids asked why just one Holocaust was remembered I just shrugged.

When I was going to school we studied the history of the Civil War in the U.S. At the time, the 1950s, there were books about the Civil War and books about the Civil War from a southern perspective. The only thing we studied was the history of the Civil War. The southern perspective was something you had to get at home.

I am a strong proponent of local control of schools as opposed to federal control of schools. I think 2+2 should always be four but some other topics are open to debate, or ignoring.

 

[Cold Highway]

This is way beyond ****ed up.

 

[Gardener]

UK Holocaust Curriculum Removal Emails Are False

"Within the TEACH report from the Historical Association, there is one particular line relating to Holocaust education which has been the focus of the press and various alarmed emails. It features in the section addressing why teachers avoid teaching certain subjects and states: '. A history department in a northern city recently avoided selecting the Holocaust as a topic for GCSE coursework for fear of confronting anti-Semitic (sic) sentiment and Holocaust denial among some Muslim pupils'.

The key points regarding this statement are:

"This does not refer to Holocaust education on the National Curriculum - it is a post-14 History GCSE course (publicly examined course) . History at GCSE is not compulsory (only a 1/3 of pupils opt for history post-14). This is an anecdotal response from one teacher in one school out of 4500 secondary schools in the UK. While we cannot say what happens in every single school, our understanding is that this is highly unusual and not general practise of teachers around the country. . All schools can choose which history topics they wish to study for coursework at GCSE level. . There is no suggestion that this or any other school is failing to cover the National Curriculum in teaching about the Holocaust at Key Stage 3, Year 9 (age 13 - 14)."--Karen Pollock, Chief Executive, Holocaust Educational Trust

Boycott Watch - UK Holocaust Curriculum Removal Emails Are False

But the actual report SAID

"In particular settings, teachers of history are unwilling to challenge highly contentious or charged versions of history in which pupils are steeped at home, in their community or in a place of worship."

Particular settingS. THe"s" here indicates plural.


the BBC report of the situation
BBC NEWS | UK | Education | Schools 'avoid Holocaust lessons'

mentions that the report was commissioned becaue the national curriculum encouraged teachers to choose content "likely to resonate in their multicultural classrooms" - but some found it difficult to do that.


Individual teachers interpreted the guidelines for this resonation in avariety of ways .Thereport concluded that "Teachers (plural) and schools (plural)avoid emotive and controversial history for a variety of reasons, some of which are well-intentioned.

"Staff may wish to avoid causing offence or appearing insensitive to individuals or groups in their classes.

"In particular settings (plural), teachers of history are unwilling to challenge highly contentious or charged versions of history in which pupils are steeped at home, in their community or in a place of worship."



Yes, the e-mail is demonstrably misleading because it indicated the schools are yanking Holocaust awareness from their curriculum, but what the report is actually indicating is that teachers have been unwilling to challenge the versions of history in which pupils are steeped at home.That is what it SAID.

If a similar situation were to arise in America and it was teachers not teaching something because kids in the classroom were from KKK families, the same people acting as apologists here would be all over it. It's this double standard that annoys the bejeebers out of me.Some forms of bigotry are verbotten, but some are perfectly copascetic. There are no actual principles involed, just a sticking of a finger in the air to see which way the politically correct wind blows.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

"National defense"??? Whaaaaatttttt??? :lol:

You don't think that education is essential to our national defense?
You think engineers and linguists et al are just born knowing that stuff?

AFAICT, our technological superiority was a major factor in keeping ahead of the Soviets in the Cold War. Maybe you see it differently.
AFAICT, language skills are essential to our intel services for finding out what's going on in the world, in particular in re the violent, Salafis jihadis, Iran, North Korea, etc.
Maybe you think we can just as good of a job w/o education, but I don't.

National Defense Education Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Simon W. Moon]

My local paper had an article about the increase in crime here in town and cited one particular case. I'm so relieved!!

I am relieved because that means there has been only one crime commited here!! In the entire history of civilization, there has been just this one crime because it was in the paper,and I am so relieved because now I can make an absurdist rant about it to mischaracterize Simon's position, and in even bigger bold so I can try make him look like an idiot,too!

Do you have outside evidence that more than one crime was committed?

Do you have outside evidence that more than one history department in a single school gave the holocaust a pass?

What part of the concept of citing an example do you not understand?

I don't see how you can say that because there was one incident of a certain type, that there necessarily must be more. Sure there could be. But obviously could be is much different than is.

 

[EAGLE1]

Yes, the e-mail is demonstrably misleading because it indicated the schools are yanking Holocaust awareness from their curriculum, but what the report is actually indicating is that teachers have been unwilling to challenge the versions of history in which pupils are steeped at home.That is what it SAID.

Yes quite. Such choices of teaching are therefore not POLICY but the choice of an individual teacher.
Teachers have only a finite set of subjects to teach before an exam, some therefore choose to not cover potentially challenging subjects because there is only so much time in the day to go over the respective arguments and still have time to go over the relevant details of the examinable history in time for the exam.
In respect of the holocaust it was often not taught when I was at school because of the truly disturbing nature of the events and the gruesome pictures and film that came with the course. Plus there is often so much other good stuff to teach like the Chartists, the Glorious Revolution, the First World War, the rise of Nazism itself, the industrial revolution...i could go on and on.

 

[Rick]

My childrens' education concerning the Holocaust was at home because their history teacher taught that it hadn't happened. Of course, I complained and got a lecture on academic freedom. Anyway, when I taught my children about the Holocaust I included other holocausts before and after the Holocaust. When my kids asked why just one Holocaust was remembered I just shrugged.

When I was going to school we studied the history of the Civil War in the U.S. At the time, the 1950s, there were books about the Civil War and books about the Civil War from a southern perspective. The only thing we studied was the history of the Civil War. The southern perspective was something you had to get at home.

I am a strong proponent of local control of schools as opposed to federal control of schools. I think 2+2 should always be four but some other topics are open to debate, or ignoring.

It's great that you patched up the PC curriculum for your kids. I once taught a small group of kids some astronomy at the request of their mothers. I think I'll try to volunteer again.