We are in Georgia and my wife is due to make about $32,800 as a provisionally certified teacher in the first year, to be bumped up to $39,000 when she finishes her masters degree. After 10 years, the salary schedule shows a little under $50,000 (would be $43,800 if she only had a bachelors).
The absolute most she could possibly make, according to the 2010-2011 salary schedule, and not be in administration, would be if she had 25 years experience and a Ph.D. @$75,400 + some more for summer school and proctoring tests, but I don't have the info for that.
So that list looks pretty accurate, at least for Georgia.
I would love to find out how she could make 160k though. Being a house husband might have its appeal.
There's no reason that teacher salaries should be so high and requirements so high as well. I could probably teach all of kindergarten to 8th grade, and probably a lot of classes in high school.
Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy over paid in Illinois for working 9 months. No wonder why so many people want to become teachers. Fairly easy job and HUUUUGE benefits!
My first year teaching in GA, I made $43K with a master's degree, Fulton County's supplement (because it is a more expensive area to live in) and coaching supplement... not exactly living the high life...
Check out this chart of teacher salaries by state. Teacher Salaries By State | Average Salaries For Teachers | Beginning Salaries For Teachers | Teacher Raises | TeacherPortal.com
Do you think the average teacher salary in your state should be higher, lower, or stay the same?
Not only should public school teachers make less. They should should make nothing. Our public schools have done more damage to the United States than all the Islamic Extremists and domestic terrorists combined. Government Schools are the worst, most expensive, least productive institution in the federal government and they should be cut loose, shamed, and condemned for the abject failure which has ruined generations of American minds. As punishment for doing such an awful job and for all the lives they've ruined (since well never be able to sue all the public school teachers), the Government ought to decline all further pensions and benefits.
Given how expensive Fulton can be (either Atlanta or the suburbs) thats not much. The little town I live in gives less of a supplemental (about 2-5k depending) but cost of living here is a lot less.
Don't believe teachers are overpaid? Try this: Pick up a local newspaper and look in the want ads. I DARE YOU to find ONE offer for a teaching position--anywhere, any time.
No kidding
Especially as public schools have failed to teach the fact that public schools are not a federal government institution but a local one.
I don't really understand this. Schools DO advertise for teaching positions, just not in newspapers.
Money just isn't the answer. From 2000 to 2007, Federal spending on education went from $40 billion to $90billion. Illinois Loop: Finances and SpendingThe USDOE spending is budgeted at $36,276,140,000 for 2007 (K-12), a leap of an astonishing 67% since the $21,693,965,000for 2000.
Here's how we reform public education, bring accountability to the whole system, and do away with the monopoly:
First, you dissolve all of the attendance boundaries. Quit funding local schools by local property taxes (this already happened in California), and fund them at the state level, so much per student, the same for every school in the state.
Next, you get rid of all of the layers of bureaucracy and send the money to the schools. The role of the state should be to accredit schools, meaning make sure that they are teaching basic subjects, and credential teachers, meaning make sure that they have the requisite training. That job shouldn't take more than one or two percent of the budget.
Then the schools, not the state or the district, need to set standards for student performance and behavior. Any student who doesn't measure up would have to find a school with lower standards.
It would be up to parents to find an appropriate school for their kids and to make sure that they measure up to that school's expectations. It would be up to the teachers to make sure that nearly all of their students did measure up, or lose students, revenues, and teaching positions.
Parents who didn't pay attention to their child's learning, and kids who didn't pay attention and do their best would get what they deserve, (what they get anyway), an inferior education. Teachers who didn't cut it would be out of a job. Schools that couldn't get the job done would go the way of any other business that can't attract customers.
It would work.
Not only should public school teachers make less. They should should make nothing. Our public schools have done more damage to the United States than all the Islamic Extremists and domestic terrorists combined. Government Schools are the worst, most expensive, least productive institution in the federal government and they should be cut loose, shamed, and condemned for the abject failure which has ruined generations of American minds. As punishment for doing such an awful job and for all the lives they've ruined (since well never be able to sue all the public school teachers), the Government ought to decline all further pensions and benefits.
Not only should public school teachers make less. They should should make nothing. Our public schools have done more damage to the United States than all the Islamic Extremists and domestic terrorists combined. Government Schools are the worst, most expensive, least productive institution in the federal government and they should be cut loose, shamed, and condemned for the abject failure which has ruined generations of American minds. As punishment for doing such an awful job and for all the lives they've ruined (since well never be able to sue all the public school teachers), the Government ought to decline all further pensions and benefits.
Like publicly funded positions in general, teachers' salaries should be LOWER, especially considering the hideous impact of teachers' unions.
Don't believe teachers are overpaid? Try this: Pick up a local newspaper and look in the want ads. I DARE YOU to find ONE offer for a teaching position--anywhere, any time.
FACT: Private schools have superior teachers. Check out their test scores if you don't believe it. YET, they are paid LOWER salaries, and they are glad to get them. They are paid according to the law of supply and demand, not government mandates.
The bottom line to fix this disparity is a separation of education and state. FIRST, eliminate federal involvement, totally. Abolish the Department of Education. SECOND, eliminate state involvement and all union involvement--teachers and all other public employees. Let locals have total authority over their schools. THIRD, and finally, privatize. Sell off all public (government-run schools). Eliminate all regulations on education. Let the free market run the schools. And, of course, REPEAL all education taxes.
The Result: Superior education. Lower costs
An extraordinary number of public school teachers in the Chicago region earned $100,000 or more in 2009, straining school budgets and taxpayer wallets and fueling the debate over what teachers are worth and how they get raises. In the affluent enclaves of Highland Park and Deerfield, almost half the teachers in Township High School District 113 took home six-figure salaries — the highest percentage in the state. In Park Ridge and Hinsdale, about 43% earned $100,000 or more, according to a Chicago Tribune salary analysis. Six-figure teacher salaries of that magnitude are rare elsewhere in Illinois and in most parts of the country.
The highest-paying districts note that they are top performers that get accolades and national rankings, and they need to be competitive to attract top teachers as parents expect. But the six-figure salaries highlight disparities that have persisted between rich and less wealthy communities in Illinois. What's more, it's clear that some districts have over-extended themselves, and are asking teachers unions to come back to the table to help contain spending in a bad economy, with mixed success.
In the Chicago region, $100,000 salaries are most common in fields ranging from algebra, biology and U.S. history to art, instrumental music and physical education.
The Tribune examined salary information for nearly 132,000 full-time Illinois teachers who worked a traditional nine- or 10-month school year in 2008-09. Salaries provided by the Illinois State Board of Education encompass all earnings, including extra stipends for coaching and sponsoring school clubs as well as retirement perks.
Among the findings:
—About 4 percent of teachers statewide earned $100,000 or more — 5,457 teachers — but the vast majority worked in the Chicago suburbs, with heavy concentrations in north Cook, DuPage and Lake counties. In all, 32 Chicago-area districts paid at least 20 percent of their teachers six figures — five times the state average.
—Districts used taxpayer dollars to pay $100,000 salaries even as they struggled with red ink. A third of districts with unusually high concentrations of teachers making six figures — at least 10 percent of teachers — posted operating deficits in 2008-09, according to state financial data.
—Six-figure teachers were unevenly distributed, with high school teachers making up 60 percent of the group — more than double their representation in the teaching force. Affluent suburban districts had the largest concentrations of six-figure teachers. Less than 1 percent of Chicago Public School teachers earned $100,000 or more in 2009.
Educators and teacher union officials defend the six-figure earnings, saying they represent a shift in thinking about the teaching profession.
Teachers used to be considered a "cheap commodity," said Thomas Ludovice, a biology and chemistry teacher at Hinsdale Central High School and a local teachers union vice president. Decades ago, he recalls teachers being paid close to the poverty line and scrambling to work summer jobs to make ends meet.
After more than 20 years in the profession, Ludovice earns six figures — but that came after spending endless hours in classes and on sports fields, he said.
Jack Roeser, whose Family Taxpayers Foundation posts Illinois teacher and administrator salaries on a Web site, said teachers "just plain don't work many days" and are already overpaid.
Teacher salaries are based on a pay scale that gives pay hikes for acquiring more years of experience, college credits and degrees. It's not unusual for teachers to get double-digit raises in one year when they can combine hikes for both education and experience. It's also common to boost pay by coaching sports teams.
A now-retired physical education teacher and longtime football coach at Addison Trail High School in DuPage County earned more than $184,000 in 2008-09 — the highest teacher salary in the Tribune's analysis. He had 35 years of teaching experience and a master's degree, all factors that boosted his salary. See this man's name and details re his pension posted below from another website.
Elsewhere, teachers in Lyons Township High School District 204 recently agreed to a partial pay freeze for 2010-11, though the pay schedule still allows for double-digit pay hikes in some circumstances. About 38 percent of the district's teachers earned salaries of $100,000 or more in 2008-09.
In Lake County's Community High School District 128, based in Vernon Hills, about 41 percent of teachers earned six figures in 2009,making the district competitive with other affluent and high-performing districts in the area, said Superintendent Prentiss Lea. My friend I spoke of in my post works in this school district.
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