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Tamir Rice:Judge finds cause for Murder charge over police killing 12 year-old[W:262]

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Whether you're holding a toy gun or a real gun and pointing it at anybody or anything when the cops show up, you're not bright. I wouldn't give my kid a BB gun that looks so much like the real thing.
 
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Cops are held to the same standard as you and I are. If they themselves aren't in imminent danger and nobody else is either then they can't claim self defense if, after recognizing a potential threat, they put themselves in a dangerous situation.
 
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not for cops. if you watch the video the cops pull up and the kid gets up and walks towards them lifting his shirt up and putting his hands to his waste.
that is threat enough for the cops to pull their guns and shoot.
 
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Mr. Invisible said:
As a previous poster has noted, there was no one around outside where the kid was playing, so no he was not waving a gun at people.
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evidently someone was there as the cops were called and he was reported for having a gun and in the video it shows him pointing it in different directions. while the 911 caller said it might not have been a real gun the police can't take that chance.
 
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Ok. However that does not change the fact that they should have approached differently seeing that it was a 12 year old and there was a complete lack of communication between the kid and the officer. What ever happened to pointing your gun at the suspect and telling them to put down the weapon?
 
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Montecresto said:
Whether you're holding a toy gun or a real gun and pointing it at anybody or anything when the cops show up, you're not bright. I wouldn't give my kid a BB gun that looks so much like the real thing.
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I wouldn't let my kid roam around a public park with it. that is the real question. of course the kids parents probably aren't home.
stupid on his part unfortunately it was a very costly mistake.

the judge doesn't matter it is the GJ that will still decide.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
It was ruled a homicide, LOL.
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:doh
iLOL
Which was slammed as being political and shown to be wrong.
And we know it is wrong because he was not put in a choke hold.

And when a person says they can not breath that is an indication that they can actually breath. Duh! When is your side going to learn that?

It is clear he died becasue of complications of his own ill health.
 
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Again, they didn't know he was 12, so drop that bit. And reaching for your weapon when cops have guns trained on you is the very definition of soon to be lead poisoned.
 
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not when that suspect is walking up to your while in a car and reaching for a gun in his waste.
there isn't time to ask 1000 questions.

the video clearly shows the kid doing this. it was stupid on his part.
 
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Lutherf said:
Cops are held to the same standard as you and I are. If they themselves aren't in imminent danger and nobody else is either then they can't claim self defense if, after recognizing a potential threat, they put themselves in a dangerous situation.
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a guy walking toward you lifting up his shirt and reaching for a gun is an imminent threat.

they didn't put themselves there they were responding to a call that someone reported that someone in a park had a gun.
 
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Right.

While the kid's age is pretty much immaterial the cops (especially since there were two of them) had ample opportunity to approach in a way that could have contained the situation rather than exacerbate it.
 
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Well, the judges statement matters in that it can be influential. But he can't make the DA bring charges, I agree.
 
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ludin said:
a guy walking toward you lifting up his shirt and reaching for a gun is an imminent threat.

they didn't put themselves there they were responding to a call that someone reported that someone in a park had a gun.
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They DID unnecessarily put themselves in a dangerous situation. At the point of their arrival there was no imminent threat of great bodily harm to themselves or anyone else.
 
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Lutherf said:
They DID unnecessarily put themselves in a dangerous situation. At the point of their arrival there was no imminent threat of great bodily harm to themselves or anyone else.
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No, that came when the perp reached for his weapon.
 
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Montecresto said:
Well, the judges statement matters in that it can be influential. But he can't make the DA bring charges, I agree.
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No, it really matters not.
But do tell how you think it is influential? Especially as we can see that he is wrong about what the video shows.

All he is doing is showing he is a biased individual.
 
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Lutherf said:
They DID unnecessarily put themselves in a dangerous situation. At the point of their arrival there was no imminent threat of great bodily harm to themselves or anyone else.
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100% wrong, but you are letting your bias over rule reason and logic.

them responding to a situation with a guy with a gun is putting themselves into a dangerous situation and there was an imminent threat for when they pulled up he got up walked toward them lifted his shirt and reached for a gun.
 
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My bias for what? The law?
 
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Lutherf said:
My bias for what? The law?
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it isn't the law you are making it up in an attempt to justify your bias against the police.
 
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Excon said:
No, it really matters not.
But do tell how you think it is influential? Especially as we can see that he is wrong about what the video shows.

All he is doing is showing he is a biased individual.
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From the link in the op.

“We are very much relieved and it is a step towards procedural justice and people having access to their government,” Madison told the Guardian.

The judge’s finding followed community leaders taking advantage of a little-known law to appeal directly to the judge to commence a prosecution of the officer, as is permitted in Ohio and a few other states.

“State law does provide an avenue for a private citizen having knowledge of facts to initiate the criminal process,” Adrine wrote in his order.

Madison said the judge’s finding showed “the police are public servants and not the public’s master”.
 
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ludin said:
it isn't the law you are making it up in an attempt to justify your bias against the police.
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Lol. That's funny, you cannot accuse Lutherf of an anti-police bias!
 
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ludin said:
it isn't the law you are making it up in an attempt to justify your bias against the police.
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My bias against the police?

Wow!

I suppose I should probably let you ponder that for a while.
 
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Tamir Rice NEVER pointed the toy at the police.
 
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Montecresto said:
Lol. That's funny, you cannot accuse Lutherf of an anti-police bias!
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I was kind of thinking the same thing.:lamo
 
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Paschendale said:
Let's hope this starts a trend, and we settle police brutality in open court rather than secret grand juries.
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How about there rather than mob justice and in the media too?
 
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Yea. That damn sure looks real. And in the time of mass shootings being common? I would understand being paranoid about it. But then again...game wardens approach armed people all the time without shooting them.

Maybe we should stop hiring cops who have never fired a gun before?
 
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