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Tamir Rice: judge finds cause for murder charge over police killing of 12-year-old | US news | The Guardian
Just saw this on my local news as well (Channel 12, CBS, Cincinnati)
Judge Ronald Adrine of the Cleveland Municipal Court said there were grounds to prosecute Officer Timothy Loehmann with murder....
I don't know if murder is going to fly but the shooting looked really bad and charges should be brought as well as a massive law suit
Of all the apparently egregious acts of violence with cops in the spotlight, this one seems the most obvious in its egregiousness. I am wondering if this thread will actually have a counterpoint and debate (other than about how severe a charge is appropriate) or whether the lion's share of posters here will affirm your observations?
we just had a protest in cincinnati. a rookie cop and his training officer were called to a residence where a convicted drug dealer was fatally shot. The officer and the victim were both black and the evidence appears to be on the cops' side as one officer was trying to hold on to the barrel of the 22 caliber rifle (appeared to be a Ruger 10-22-a very common plinking and small game rifle) that the deceased was holding and during the struggle, the other officer shot the suspect)
cops do the right thing and there are protests. Cops do the wrong thing and there are protests. the cleveland shooting stunk. the officers were in their car which is far different than a close quarters struggle with a large adult and a rifle.
I used to handle defense of police shootings while in private practice (had the insurance company covering three major LE agencies) and then in the public sector with the DOJ.
we have people who protest the cops anytime someone is shot-especially a black
and we have people who figure anyone the cops shoot is a mope and deserved it
I can tell you the shooting of this boy in Cleveland was clearly illegal from what I saw
I can tell you the shooting of that guy in a walmart or Kmart who was carrying a pellet rifle was pretty bad but some of the blame goes to the idiot who called the cops and said the deceased was threatening people with "an assault weapon" which was hyperbolic at best and more likely an outright lie
however, some of the other police shootings-like the one that got things started in MO, appear to have been justified
Of all the apparently egregious acts of violence with cops in the spotlight, this one seems the most obvious in its egregiousness. I am wondering if this thread will actually have a counterpoint and debate (other than about how severe a charge is appropriate) or whether the lion's share of posters here will affirm your observations?
When I first heard about this tragic incident, I wasn't sure whose fault it was. Then as I heard more and more about it... I mean, literally two seconds from arrival to dead kid... there is now no doubt in my mind that this shooting was reckless, negligent and unprofessional. Not all the shootings where protests erupt are bad, but this one definitely was.
I'm wondering why the guy shot a kid. I can't really open it. Tapatalk is a whore sometimes. I mean...was he just being a one bullet Barney dumb ass?
we just had a protest in cincinnati. a rookie cop and his training officer were called to a residence where a convicted drug dealer was fatally shot. The officer and the victim were both black and the evidence appears to be on the cops' side as one officer was trying to hold on to the barrel of the 22 caliber rifle (appeared to be a Ruger 10-22-a very common plinking and small game rifle) that the deceased was holding and during the struggle, the other officer shot the suspect)
cops do the right thing and there are protests. Cops do the wrong thing and there are protests. the cleveland shooting stunk. the officers were in their car which is far different than a close quarters struggle with a large adult and a rifle.
I used to handle defense of police shootings while in private practice (had the insurance company covering three major LE agencies) and then in the public sector with the DOJ.
we have people who protest the cops anytime someone is shot-especially a black
and we have people who figure anyone the cops shoot is a mope and deserved it
I can tell you the shooting of this boy in Cleveland was clearly illegal from what I saw
I can tell you the shooting of that guy in a walmart or Kmart who was carrying a pellet rifle was pretty bad but some of the blame goes to the idiot who called the cops and said the deceased was threatening people with "an assault weapon" which was hyperbolic at best and more likely an outright lie
however, some of the other police shootings-like the one that got things started in MO, appear to have been justified
He was irrational and clearly went in guns blazing.
On the other hand, the kid was holding something akin to this...
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The cop is still going to get roasted. I'm just not sure if it's going to be murder 1 or 2 roasted. I was thinking more along the lines of manslaughter. Then again, I don't know **** about law since I'm not trained in it. But having read on what constitutes a first or second degree murder, I just can't say for sure that this cop MURDERED the child. People seem to forget that despite being a child, he was still holding a pellet gun that APPEARED to be a fully functional, lethal pistol, AND said child was, at one point, aiming said pistol down a street at something. Deliberately AIMING, not just holding.
Let's hope this starts a trend, and we settle police brutality in open court rather than secret grand juries.
If he saw the aiming...I can't really call it murder. Murder has strict definitions. That isn't it. Especially given the training officers get now to deal with active shooters. I mean...what happens if it were a kid with a real firearm?
Like I said...I can't watch it. But from what everyone seems to be saying...it doesn't sound like murder, but horrific negligence. He didn't premeditate this shooting.
Oops-looks like the grand jury is gonna get it. you do know that the prosecutor can short circuit a Preliminary hearing by an indictment?
True, but murder? Is there any other possible charge? Was the cop really looking to murder this kid or did he really feel that the public could have been in danger? The kid at one point in the video was aiming the gun down the street at something.
Although this was directed towards paschendale, I have no ****ing clue what that means XD
Would you mind explaining this legal sorcery?
It wasn't premeditated but from what I saw the cop rolled up right on top of the kid and started pulling the trigger. It may have been the worst display of tactics I have ever seen. There was no attempt to diffuse the situation and, as far as I could tell, nobody else was in the immediate vicinity so there wasn't an imminent threat to public safety.
I'm wondering why the guy shot a kid. I can't really open it. Tapatalk is a whore sometimes. I mean...was he just being a one bullet Barney dumb ass?
This seems to be a common thread with many of these media cases: there almost seems an eagerness to pull the trigger, whether legally justified or not. There's almost a disregard for human life.When I first heard about this tragic incident, I wasn't sure whose fault it was. Then as I heard more and more about it... I mean, literally two seconds from arrival to dead kid... there is now no doubt in my mind that this shooting was reckless, negligent and unprofessional. Not all the shootings where protests erupt are bad, but this one definitely was.
This seems to be a common thread with many of these media cases: there almost seems an eagerness to pull the trigger, whether legally justified or not. There's almost a disregard for human life.
If you guys remember the New Mexico homeless guy in the desert that was popped by the sharp-shooter, there doesn't seem to be the efforts made to diffuse the situation that would show basic respect for human life.
This seems to be a common thread with many of these media cases: there almost seems an eagerness to pull the trigger, whether legally justified or not. There's almost a disregard for human life.
If you guys remember the New Mexico homeless guy in the desert that was popped by the sharp-shooter, there doesn't seem to be the efforts made to diffuse the situation that would show basic respect for human life - not just respect for the cops lives, but also for the lives of the offenders, who sometimes are offending in some relatively minor fashion.
Thank G_d he doesn't have the power to bring charges.Judge Ronald Adrine of the Cleveland Municipal Court said there were grounds to prosecute Officer Timothy Loehmann with murder....
The prosecutor said the GJ will decide, and in light of the video showing him reaching it shouldn't even go to a GJ.I don't know if murder is going to fly but the shooting looked really bad and charges should be brought as well as a massive law suit
Let's hope this starts a trend, and we settle police brutality in open court rather than secret grand juries.
:dohGood, that cop needs a trial, what he did was abhorrent.
Thank G_d he doesn't have the power to bring charges.Though image quality is poor, Judge Adrine wrote, “it does not appear to show him making any furtive movement prior to, or at, the moment he is shot.”
Cleveland Judge Finds Probable Cause to Charge Officers in Tamir Rice Death
Based on the video, his statement appears to be patently false.
Tamir can be seen reaching for his waistline as the Cops arrive.
The prosecutor said the GJ will decide, and in light of the video showing him reaching it shouldn't even go to a GJ.and Mr. McGinty said his office still had investigating of its own to do. Eventually, his office said, prosecutors will take the case to a grand jury, which will decide whether to issue indictments.
Cleveland Judge Finds Probable Cause to Charge Officers in Tamir Rice Death
This is nothing more than bs wrangling by Benjamin Crump of Trayvon fame trying to better his chances in regards to bringing a civil suit.
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