Either they have a collective "right" to live as they choose, with their own laws, or they don't.
Which is it?
If they do, it doesn't matter.
If they don't, then we "as in a collective world we", need to be involved in a little more policing action. An not be restrained when doing it.
So which route do we take?
That's ok. But we shouldn't have had our hands tied like they were.The mission in A-stan was to get the ones that did 9-11, not nation build. Anybody that thinks we are going to make a core or even seam state out of A-stan needs to re-think.
That's ok. But we shouldn't have had our hands tied like they were.
And then again maybe we should have been in there to nation build.
Nobody understands why we shot that 14 yr old girl, and now they're saying mean things about us. :baby2
And they also have an idea of what encapsulates defeat at the hands of their enemy.They aren't oriented to a central power structure and rule by law. It is early feudal. Some tribes or minor warlords may be subservient to a larger warlord, but it doesn't go beyond that.
No it doesn't. It just means that the tactics must be suited to the environment.That makes nation building an exercise in futility.
Why?It amuses me is that those animals think being un-Islamic is a justifiable reason to shoot someone.
Why?
I mean, they see it as something that damages their Country and belief system. If someone in the U.S. releases classified documents, do we not want that person who damaged us to be punished?
The thought process is.Not the same thing.
The thought process is.
And they also have an idea of what encapsulates defeat at the hands of their enemy.
No it doesn't. It just means that the tactics must be suited to the environment.
As it is, our hands are tied because we will not do what is necessary.
They take actions that fight against the progress of society, they need to be removed from society. I personally do not care if they form thier own little Islamic fundamentalist country and oppress each other, but if the want to try and push thier agenda on others then the only option for removal from modern society is by force.Either they have a collective "right" to live as they choose, with their own laws, or they don't.
Which is it?
If they do, it doesn't matter.
If they don't, then we "as in a collective world we", need to be involved in a little more policing action. An not be restrained when doing it.
So which route do we take?
Hmm, mainstream Pakistanis aren't understanding why the big, bad Taliban was justified in shooting a child in the face. Who knew? :lol:
Well, that is definitely one take on it.One involves the security of the country the other involves a bunch of animals living in the stone age who are trying to impose their will on the rest of the country through fear. So the thought process is not the same.
It's possible....but
We did then what was necessary to get the job done.As for nation building, please list our successes since Germany and Japan. And I don't think you could really count them since we didn't change the structure of their governments in a huge way aside from removing a dictatorship Hitler/Tojo.
Progress?They take actions that fight against the progress of society, they need to be removed from society. I personally do not care if they form thier own little Islamic fundamentalist country and oppress each other, but if the want to try and push thier agenda on others then the only option for removal from modern society is by force.
I think killing is wrong, and very hard to justify but at a certain point people have to be killed to preserve the lives of others in greater numbers. Some consider that a justification for genocide, but with nuclear weapons and such a terror based ideology in the same region, it may be the only way to prevent a much larger loss of life.
How about a cruise missile, they're pretty unbiased.
Hopefully the people of Pakastan will be motivated to rid their country of Taliban. Beliefs or not, the Taliban have no place in todays world, (imo).
Other than that, I am not sure I understand your position.
Are you in the camp of - they have no right to live as they choose, even though you say - "I personally do not care if they form thier own little Islamic fundamentalist country and oppress each other, but if the want to try and push thier agenda on others then the only option for removal from modern society is by force."
Because they would be pushing an agenda within their own country, which you seem opposed.
Nobody understands why we shot that 14 yr old girl, and now they're saying mean things about us. :baby2
Nobody understands why we shot that 14 yr old girl, and now they're saying mean things about us. :baby2
Fair enough!Ok.....my position
We need friendly acquaintances, we don't need piss-ant "allies",Excon that we need to prop up, help with security and the rest of the bull****, etc. Especially with Muslim countries, we shouldn't be in the business of nation building. Their culture is too foreign. Not that we can't understand it, its just that it is foreign to our way of doing things and unless you are willing to destroy that culture and rebuild it in our image, trying to graft on our way of doing things just hasn't been proven to work.
Make it clear to whoever is in charge that it is their country. You don't **** with us and we won't **** with you. **** policing the world and trying to make everyone toe the line regarding human rights. If they want to change it's up to them. Tell the dictator of the decade that we're happy to supply a little monetary assistance from time to time as long as he doesn't become too oppressive AND he keeps the anti-American militants in the dirt. But if he allows terrorists to operate from, train in, have safe haven in his country, then expect a ****load of bombs and no ****ing money. We'll offer the same deal to the survivors or whoever supplants your ass.
Fair enough?
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