ThePhoenix said:Our nation (The United States) is a peace loving Democracy, We do not like to go to war and we are slow to provocation.
But when we are provoked to the point where we must pick up our sword, it is not easy for us to forgive the enemy for having to put us in this situation.
The fact of this provocation has then become the issue in itself.
Our people fight in anger, and we will fight for the very reason that we were forced to go to war. When our nation was attacked on 911 in our own front yard, how can we ever allow this to happen again? So we will take this war they have created back to them. And we have done so in Afghanistan. This is a war on terror. We did not ask for it. It came to us.
Terror lives all over the world and we cannot succeed in this alone. This war is not just our war, it is yours whether you like it or not, it is your war too. Do not let them win you over, stand up and fight for the right to live in peace. There are people who blame our government policies for the cause of this hatred towards us, that is their right, but it is not a reason to kill so many of our own people.
As I stated before, we fight because we have been provoked, and we are angry. We have, and we will, fight this. With or without the support of those who do not agree.
ThePhoenix said:Our nation (The United States) is a peace loving Democracy, We do not like to go to war and we are slow to provocation.
But when we are provoked to the point where we must pick up our sword, it is not easy for us to forgive the enemy for having to put us in this situation.
The fact of this provocation has then become the issue in itself.
Our people fight in anger, and we will fight for the very reason that we were forced to go to war. When our nation was attacked on 911 in our own front yard, how can we ever allow this to happen again? So we will take this war they have created back to them. And we have done so in Afghanistan. This is a war on terror. We did not ask for it. It came to us.
Terror lives all over the world and we cannot succeed in this alone. This war is not just our war, it is yours whether you like it or not, it is your war too. Do not let them win you over, stand up and fight for the right to live in peace. There are people who blame our government policies for the cause of this hatred towards us, that is their right, but it is not a reason to kill so many of our own people.
As I stated before, we fight because we have been provoked, and we are angry. We have, and we will, fight this. With or without the support of those who do not agree.
ThePhoenix said:Our people fight in anger, and we will fight for the very reason that we were forced to go to war. When our nation was attacked on 911 in our own front yard, how can we ever allow this to happen again? So we will take this war they have created back to them. And we have done so in Afghanistan. This is a war on terror. We did not ask for it. It came to us.
ThePhoenix said:Our nation (The United States) is a peace loving Democracy, We do not like to go to war and we are slow to provocation.
But when we are provoked to the point where we must pick up our sword, it is not easy for us to forgive the enemy for having to put us in this situation.
The fact of this provocation has then become the issue in itself.
Our people fight in anger, and we will fight for the very reason that we were forced to go to war. When our nation was attacked on 911 in our own front yard, how can we ever allow this to happen again? So we will take this war they have created back to them. And we have done so in Afghanistan. This is a war on terror. We did not ask for it. It came to us.
Terror lives all over the world and we cannot succeed in this alone. This war is not just our war, it is yours whether you like it or not, it is your war too. Do not let them win you over, stand up and fight for the right to live in peace. There are people who blame our government policies for the cause of this hatred towards us, that is their right, but it is not a reason to kill so many of our own people.
As I stated before, we fight because we have been provoked, and we are angry. We have, and we will, fight this. With or without the support of those who do not agree.
No, sorry to disapoint you, but this came from me, and it is how I feel. If you wish to cower down and pretend it is all water under the bridge, that is your choice, however, for the many in this nation and world, we will not let it be forgotten.Caine said:This sounds like something straight out of the Bush propaganda book
Caine said:There is a time to stop using excuses. Saying 9/11 changed everything is like saying the Oklahoma City Bombing changed everything did it? NO!
ThePhoenix said:No, sorry to disapoint you, but this came from me, and it is how I feel. If you wish to cower down and pretend it is all water under the bridge, that is your choice, however, for the many in this nation and world, we will not let it be forgotten.
BTW, Tell me, do you realy think 9/11 did not change the world? Because if you do, you are foolishly mistaken
I see you are young and have a lot to learn about this world. You are also naive about the freedom of others as well. I am sorry if this also comes across as harsh, but you should understand that the freedom we fight for is not just our own, it is for the freedom of all mankind as Benjamin Franklin said. (note my Sig)Caine said:Yes, I don't think 9/11 CHANGED THE WORLD.
The world does not consist of America and the opinions of Americans or even our allies and enemies.
Tell me what it changed for people in Switzerland.
Tell me what it changed for people in Ecuador.
Tell me what it changed for people in Vietnam.
Tell me what it changed for the people of Lichtenstein.
ThePhoenix said:Our nation (The United States) is a peace loving Democracy, We do not like to go to war and we are slow to provocation.
But when we are provoked to the point where we must pick up our sword, it is not easy for us to forgive the enemy for having to put us in this situation.
The fact of this provocation has then become the issue in itself.
Our people fight in anger, and we will fight for the very reason that we were forced to go to war. When our nation was attacked on 911 in our own front yard, how can we ever allow this to happen again? So we will take this war they have created back to them. And we have done so in Afghanistan. This is a war on terror. We did not ask for it. It came to us.
Do not let them win you over, stand up and fight for the right to live in peace.
As I stated before, we fight because we have been provoked, and we are angry. We have, and we will, fight this. With or without the support of those who do not agree.
ThePhoenix said:I see you are young and have a lot to learn about this world. You are also naive about the freedom of others as well. I am sorry if this also comes across as harsh, but you should understand that the freedom we fight for is not just our own, it is for the freedom of all mankind as Benjamin Franklin said. (note my Sig)
ThePhoenix said:I see you are young and have a lot to learn about this world. You are also naive about the freedom of others as well. I am sorry if this also comes across as harsh, but you should understand that the freedom we fight for is not just our own, it is for the freedom of all mankind as Benjamin Franklin said. (note my Sig)
Other than in the Tonkin Gulf ruse, when US navy pretended to be attacked by the Vietnamese, as an excuse to start the Vietnam war. Just like Hitler pretended to be attacked by the Poles so he could invade them.ThePhoenix said:Our nation (The United States) is a peace loving Democracy, We do not like to go to war and we are slow to provocation.
But when we are provoked to the point where we must pick up our sword, it is not easy for us to forgive the enemy for having to put us in this situation.
The fact of this provocation has then become the issue in itself.
ThePhoenix said:Our nation (The United States) is a peace loving Democracy, We do not like to go to war and we are slow to provocation.
But when we are provoked to the point where we must pick up our sword, it is not easy for us to forgive the enemy for having to put us in this situation.
The fact of this provocation has then become the issue in itself.
Our people fight in anger, and we will fight for the very reason that we were forced to go to war. When our nation was attacked on 911 in our own front yard, how can we ever allow this to happen again? So we will take this war they have created back to them. And we have done so in Afghanistan. This is a war on terror. We did not ask for it. It came to us.
Terror lives all over the world and we cannot succeed in this alone. This war is not just our war, it is yours whether you like it or not, it is your war too. Do not let them win you over, stand up and fight for the right to live in peace. There are people who blame our government policies for the cause of this hatred towards us, that is their right, but it is not a reason to kill so many of our own people.
As I stated before, we fight because we have been provoked, and we are angry. We have, and we will, fight this. With or without the support of those who do not agree.
Would it be that easy for you to forgive someone who killed your family or your friends?Gandhi>Bush said:Why is it that we it is not easy for us to forgive an enemy?
I do see your point here on vengence, but in my point of view and I do stress My, it is not of vengence as there are those who look at it that way, I do not. As I look at it, it is A Rightious Anger.Gandhi>Bush said:Why is that not a reason? We felt attacked on 9/11 and we went to the other side of the world and killed people. What if people of the Middle East feel that they are attacked, is it suddenly wrong for them to revenge? Why is that?
No, it is not the weapon of our enemy. The weapon of our enemy I would term as a "Sword of Hate".Gandhi>Bush said:You seek end such extreme hatred by using anger? A Sword of Anger is the weapon you suggest? Isn't that the weapon of our enemies? Why can our weapon not be truth, justice, peace? Why must our weapon be vengeance?
ThePhoenix said:Would it be that easy for you to forgive someone who killed your family or your friends?
I do see your point here on vengence, but in my point of view and I do stress My, it is not of vengence as there are those who look at it that way, I do not. As I look at it, it is A Rightious Anger.
No, it is not the weapon of our enemy. The weapon of our enemy I would term as a "Sword of Hate".
M14 Shooter said:Remember that your freedom of speech only goes so far, and voicing your opinion can result in your execution.
Gandhi>Bush said:What? Since when?
M14 Shooter said:Since the beginning of the country. You dont have the right to say just anything, and some of the things you might say can get you executed.
Treasonous, seditious speech comes to mind.
Gandhi>Bush said:When has this EVER happened?
M14 Shooter said:1. We are a Republic not a Democracy
Correct. Very good.
2. We cannot Succeed in this period.
This sort of attitude is why people like you should never be in charge of National Security. Imagine if FDR and Churchill had your attitude.
"Its hard to do" is never a legitimate reason to not do it.
4. Who's angry? Im not angry... it was over 4 years ago!
And this is part of the problem inherent to the 'instrant gratfication' generation. You forget far too soon.
5. I think you really need the support of those who do not agree because alot of the military forces are those who do not agree, I was one of them.
You, and they, can leave the military when you contract is up. While under contract, your opinion on the matter doesnt matter -- because you agreed to have your opinion subjugated to those above you in your chain of command.
6. Im sick and tired of September 11th being the excuse for every single thing that we do in this nation.
Last I looked, it isnt.
It did, however, change the context in which we see everything, as it should have.
Alot of other countries in the "world" could give a **** less. Statements like that are what make Americans arrogant pompous assholes
Then these countries, and these people, are part of the problem, not the solution. If you or anyone else has a problem with the United States acting in her own defenese and that of her allies, then clearly you should be treated as an enemy, not a friend.
Remember that your freedom of speech only goes so far, and voicing your opinion can result in your execution.
You're just restating your premise.Caine said:2. We cannot succeed in the "war on terrorism" because terrorism isnt just an Arab thing, anyone can be a terrorist.
You're just restating your premise.4. It was over 4 years ago, I think its time to stop using 9/11 as our excuse for everything wrong.
You did, however, give up your right to voice said opinion.5. I never took an oath that said I give up my right to have an opinion on the issues bothering our nation.
Yes. You did.I never gave an oath that said im not allowed to speak my opinion.
In terms of what you think you should and should not do?And I never said that I swear to have my opinions subjugated by my superiors.
Yes. See above.I took an oath saying that I would obey the ORDERS of my superior officers.
You're just restating your premise.6. See number 4.
I never said it did.Treason. A breach of allegiance to one's government, usually committed through levying war against such government or by giving aid or comfort to the enemy....
Tell me how any of that applies to my opinions that are protected by the 1st Amendment?
Remember that your freedom of speech only goes so far, and voicing your opinion can result in your execution.
Absolutely no reason for the government to execute a person for using their equitable rights as an American to protest or voice their opinion, especially in a period of war.
M14 Shooter said:If what is said is treasonous, the government can punish you as it sees fit.
You have no tight to commit treason, and the 1st doesnt protect you when doing so.
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