Surge in gun deaths in states relaxing their gun laws.

[ataraxia]

So much for the claim that we need guns to keep us safe, and an armed society is a polite society

It seems recent experience and observations are just more evidence for the observed rule that more guns= more death and violence.

“Over the 12-year post-decision period, researchers estimate more than 6,000 excess deaths occurred in states with the most permissive gun laws. Another 1,400 excess deaths occurred in states that made their laws more permissive but were not in the most extreme group.

Meanwhile, four states -- California, New York, Maryland, and Rhode Island, all of which had strict laws -- saw significant drops in pediatric gun deaths.”

Gun deaths among children surge after states loosen firearm laws, new study finds

Firearms are now the leading cause of death in children and teens in the U.S.

abcnews.go.com

 

[ataraxia]

Guns are now the leading cause of death in American children, beating out cancer. Yay freedumbz!

 

[CaughtInThe]

The hell you say

 

[RF667799]

So much for the claim that we need guns to keep us safe, and an armed society is a polite society

It seems recent experience and observations are just more evidence the observed rule that more guns= more death and violence.

“Over the 12-year post-decision period, researchers estimate more than 6,000 excess deaths occurred in states with the most permissive gun laws. Another 1,400 excess deaths occurred in states that made their laws more permissive but were not in the most extreme group.

Meanwhile, four states -- California, New York, Maryland, and Rhode Island, all of which had strict laws -- saw significant drops in pediatric gun deaths.”

Gun deaths among children surge after states loosen firearm laws, new study finds

Firearms are now the leading cause of death in children and teens in the U.S.

abcnews.go.com

Buncha claims we've heard before. No actual study to go along with the claims about what some study supposedly says. I bet there's no link between gun owners carrying concealed and these excess deaths.

And...."excess deaths"? 6000 of them, over a 12 year period. That's 500 a year "excess" deaths as opposed to whatever number was deemed sufficient.

Garbage agit prop article.

 

[RF667799]

Guns are now the leading cause of death in American children, beating out cancer. Yay freedumbz!

Baby talk.

Your article says guns were involved in 4% of all pediatric deaths over a 25 year period. Two points. One, your article didn't go out on that causation limb. Two, that leaves 96% of pediatric deaths where guns are NOT involved.

 

[ataraxia]

Baby talk.

Your article says guns were involved in 4% of all pediatric deaths over a 25 year period. Two points. One, your article didn't go out on that causation limb. Two, that leaves 96% of pediatric deaths where guns are NOT involved.

According to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) for 2023, firearms accounted for 18% of childhood deaths (ages 1 to 18), with approximately 3,500 children dying in gun-related incidents. This is a rate of about 5 deaths per 100,000 children in the U.S.
For children and adolescents age 17 and below in 2023, nearly two-thirds of firearm deaths were due to gun assaults, while 29% were suicides and 5% were accidental.

Firearms became the leading cause of death for children ages 1-17 in 2020 and 2021, surpassing motor vehicle deaths, and have remained so in subsequent years. This issue is particularly prevalent in the United States; firearms are not among the top four causes of death for children in comparable countries, and the vast majority (97%) of gun-related child and teen deaths among similar large and wealthy nations occur in the U.S.

Child and Teen Firearm Mortality in the U.S. and Peer Countries | KFF

Firearms were responsible for 20 percent of all child and teen deaths in the U.S. for both 2020 and 2021, compared to an average of less than 2 percent in similarly large and wealthy nations. This puts the U.S. far ahead of peer nations in child and teen firearm deaths.

www.kff.org

 

[ataraxia]

Buncha claims we've heard before.

Yeah I'm sure- kinda like other observations, like that the Earth is round.

 

[lynnwinslow]

Baby talk.

Your article says guns were involved in 4% of all pediatric deaths over a 25 year period. Two points. One, your article didn't go out on that causation limb. Two, that leaves 96% of pediatric deaths where guns are NOT involved.

You forgot this part.
“outpacing motor vehicle crashes and cancer.”
Should we also not do anything about pediatric cancer and motor vehicle deaths because they are statistically insignificant?

 

[RF667799]

You forgot this part.
“outpacing motor vehicle crashes and cancer.”
Should we also not do anything about pediatric cancer and motor vehicle deaths because they are statistically insignificant?

What do you propose doing about them? Ban motor vehicles? Limit the size of fuel tanks? Criminal Background Check required for purchase/possession? (I like that last one.)

 

[RF667799]

According to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) for 2023, firearms accounted for 18% of childhood deaths (ages 1 to 18), with approximately 3,500 children dying in gun-related incidents. This is a rate of about 5 deaths per 100,000 children in the U.S.
For children and adolescents age 17 and below in 2023, nearly two-thirds of firearm deaths were due to gun assaults, while 29% were suicides and 5% were accidental.

Firearms became the leading cause of death for children ages 1-17 in 2020 and 2021, surpassing motor vehicle deaths, and have remained so in subsequent years. This issue is particularly prevalent in the United States; firearms are not among the top four causes of death for children in comparable countries, and the vast majority (97%) of gun-related child and teen deaths among similar large and wealthy nations occur in the U.S.

Child and Teen Firearm Mortality in the U.S. and Peer Countries | KFF

Firearms were responsible for 20 percent of all child and teen deaths in the U.S. for both 2020 and 2021, compared to an average of less than 2 percent in similarly large and wealthy nations. This puts the U.S. far ahead of peer nations in child and teen firearm deaths.

www.kff.org

So which of your references is correct?

 

[RF667799]

Yeah I'm sure- kinda like other observations, like that the Earth is round.

You forgot to quote my entire post.

Buncha claims we've heard before. No actual study to go along with the claims about what some study supposedly says. I bet there's no link between gun owners carrying concealed and these excess deaths.

And...."excess deaths"? 6000 of them, over a 12 year period. That's 500 a year "excess" deaths as opposed to whatever number was deemed sufficient.

Garbage agit prop article.

 

[lynnwinslow]

What do you propose doing about them? Ban motor vehicles? Limit the size of fuel tanks? Criminal Background Check required for purchase/possession? (I like that last one.)

It’s a thread about gun deaths. If you want to do a deep dive into pediatric auto and cancer deaths you should start a thread about it.

 

[ataraxia]

So which of your references is correct?

All of them.

 

[ataraxia]

You forgot to quote my entire post.

Buncha claims we've heard before. No actual study to go along with the claims about what some study supposedly says. I bet there's no link between gun owners carrying concealed and these excess deaths.

And...."excess deaths"? 6000 of them, over a 12 year period. That's 500 a year "excess" deaths as opposed to whatever number was deemed sufficient.

Garbage agit prop article.

So you wanna stop pediatric brain cancer treatments too? It's not that many, after all. No one will even notice.

 

[Lursa]

So much for the claim that we need guns to keep us safe, and an armed society is a polite society

It seems recent experience and observations are just more evidence for the observed rule that more guns= more death and violence.

“Over the 12-year post-decision period, researchers estimate more than 6,000 excess deaths occurred in states with the most permissive gun laws. Another 1,400 excess deaths occurred in states that made their laws more permissive but were not in the most extreme group.

Meanwhile, four states -- California, New York, Maryland, and Rhode Island, all of which had strict laws -- saw significant drops in pediatric gun deaths.”

Gun deaths among children surge after states loosen firearm laws, new study finds

Firearms are now the leading cause of death in children and teens in the U.S.

abcnews.go.com

That's ~500 more/yr. Odd, since one of the most frequently legislated gun law changes is to storage and safe keeping of firearms. They were implemented and made more strict in many states.

Kids cant buy them legally. So it's parental irresponsibility which is entirely preventable. But you cannot force responsibility on anyone. If you look into some of the data more clearly, or just the media stories, many of the cases where kids get their firearms from have cops for parents.

How many more laws or how much more training is needed if even cops cant be responsible for their firearms?

 

[Bodecea]

So much for the claim that we need guns to keep us safe, and an armed society is a polite society

It seems recent experience and observations are just more evidence for the observed rule that more guns= more death and violence.

“Over the 12-year post-decision period, researchers estimate more than 6,000 excess deaths occurred in states with the most permissive gun laws. Another 1,400 excess deaths occurred in states that made their laws more permissive but were not in the most extreme group.

Meanwhile, four states -- California, New York, Maryland, and Rhode Island, all of which had strict laws -- saw significant drops in pediatric gun deaths.”

Gun deaths among children surge after states loosen firearm laws, new study finds

Firearms are now the leading cause of death in children and teens in the U.S.

abcnews.go.com

Oh well. T's & P's.

 

[ataraxia]

That's ~500 more/yr. Odd, since one of the most frequently legislated gun law changes is to storage and safe keeping of firearms. They were implemented and made more strict in many states.

Kids cant buy them legally. So it's parental irresponsibility which is entirely preventable. But you cannot force responsibility on anyone. If you look into some of the data more clearly, or just the media stories, many of the cases where kids get their firearms from have cops for parents.

How many more laws or how much more training is needed if even cops cant be responsible for their firearms?

Whatever it is, it is a uniquely American problem. Somehow no one else deals with this nonsense. Hmmm, wonder why...

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded...

theonion.com

 

[RF667799]

It’s a thread about gun deaths. If you want to do a deep dive into pediatric auto and cancer deaths you should start a thread about it.

So you don't want to discuss something you brought up. I'm so surprised.

 

[JMB1911A1]

More info:

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/152/3/e2023061296/193711/Trends-and-Disparities-in-Firearm-Deaths-Among?autologincheck=redirected

In 2021, among children who died by firearms, 84.8% were male, 49.9% were Black, 82.6% were aged 15 to 19 years, and 64.3% died by homicide. Black children accounted for 67.3% of firearm homicides, with a death rate increase of 1.8 from 2020 to 2021. White children accounted for 78.4% of firearm suicides.

Let’s see:
- Illegal for anyone under 21 to buy a handgun.
- Illegal in most states for none under 18 to even carry a handgun.

Looks like a majority of these deaths can be directly linked to inner city criminal behavior.

But let’s infringe on everyone’s rights because of a few criminals. No, **** that. Let’s get tough on the criminals.

 

[RF667799]

So you wanna stop pediatric brain cancer treatments too? It's not that many, after all. No one will even notice.

You'll need to explain how that's analogous to taking away Constitutional rights and civil liberties from peaceful people.

 

[RF667799]

All of them.

They are contradictory. Have you examined the claims they make?

 

[JMB1911A1]

Whatever it is, it is a uniquely American problem. Somehow no one else deals with this nonsense. Hmmm, wonder why...

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded...

theonion.com

Isla Vista? Where half the victims where stabbed to death? Why aren’t you calling for knife control?

 

[RF667799]

Whatever it is, it is a uniquely American problem. Somehow no one else deals with this nonsense. Hmmm, wonder why...

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded...

theonion.com

Did you fact check that Onion article, or is its facetious editorializing good enough for you?

 

[lynnwinslow]

So you don't want to discuss something you brought up. I'm so surprised.

You trying to deflect from gun deaths in a gun death thread. I’m so surprised.

 

[JMB1911A1]

You trying to deflect from gun deaths in a gun death thread. I’m so surprised.

Guns can’t die. They are inanimate objects. There is no such thing as “gun deaths”.