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Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]


Well first the catastrophic plan is only available to those under 30, and your brother sounds like he's more like late 40's early 50's, so he'd have to get one of the regular plans. Depending on how much he makes he may have to pay a deductible of $6,000 or so and yes, it's a steal because healthy people subsidize the remaining $94,000 (using your example). However it's not that great yet ... the solution so far has been to subsidize and continue to subsidize. Newer cancer treatment drugs are insanely expensive and $100,000 won't even begin to pay for the treatments.

Obamacare's Out-Of-Pocket Caps Waived Until 2015: Forbes

This is why many have claimed insurance rates will increase because those who are on Obamacare will increase, the amount of chronic illness will exceed by far the amount of subsidies available in the system to have the healthy pay for those who cannot pay, therefore the healthy must pay MORE to even it out. I guess if you're healthy it kinds sucks to have to pay more, but if you're chronically ill, it's one less thing to worry about.
 
I've seen all the twitter comments from GOPs.
It's still the same song-and-dance routine with repeal and no specifics with which to replace it .

Jindal has a plan. Ryan has a plan. Price has a Plan. Plus I think there were like 3 others. All have specifics in them.

So its not like they didn't have a plan. Even had Demos in with them on repealing the Medical Device Tax. Plus had Demos seeking relief from the mandate.

Which we all know. BO was constantly threatening to veto anything that took down his Special Package.



I don't think Roberts will be hanging out in certain circles much anymore. Which for the Right. That is a good thing.
 



I guess you never read history and how a president eased the nation into war against Germany. I guess you never read about Ronald Reagan and how he convinced another nation to tear down a wall.

My politicians are leaders, go ahead back a follower....here they are called cowards. If the great Obama isn't as able as a lowly Canadian Prairie preacher who was able to sway a nation to a great idea.

But thanks for admitting Obama is an inept leader.
 

 



Wait there's more!

I ran businesses most of my life, even in media I was middle management. When you "own" the operation it's different again. You will more than a few times have to forgo paying yourself to make payroll, it is a fact.

but to the point, with UHC I have an advantage over US companies. While my company pays less tax than a US firm, I do not have the employer portion of the for profit insurance industry which is reaping in record profits through the Obamacare they wrote. I can, to be more competitive offering higher benefits than what is affordable by small companies in the US. Or I can offer better wages, or both.

Further, my sick leave pay will be down between 20 and 30 %, simply based on the fact the employee need not worry about any cost when seeing a doctor.

Then we can look at how much the Obamacare system takes OUT of the economy, where the profits go, and the true global cost of that system.
 
71% of all newly insured through 2014 were from Medicaid Expansion. (source)

The article states that "71 percent of the combined increase in health insurance coverage during the first half of 2014 was attributable to 25 states and the District of Columbia adopting the Obamacare Medicaid expansion."

So not "through 2014." "During the first half of 2014."

But....but....but just like with all those part time jobs being created showing impressive Obama job growth facts like these don't matter to big govt. liberals who promote the nanny state.

Another of this creep's lies that I have refuted over and over.



Spiked very briefly last fall for some reason, now back down to a historically low level of around seven million. Over the past five years, private-sector employment has increased by 12.6 million to 122 million, while public-sector jobs have decreased by about two million.

Yeah, it put your chart in its proper perspective.

What perspective is that?

mimi loves posting opinions and passing them off as fact. … I fully expect mimi

This putz loves referring to me as "mimi." What a clown.

>>I don't see Obama creating 12 million jobs because he inherited 142 million that is 148 million today at a cost of 7.6 trillion dollars added to the debt.

Employment fell to 138 million by the end of 2009, while the effects of the Great Recession, which resulted from tax cuts for the wealthy and an irresponsible deregulation of the financial sector, played through the labor market. This idiot pretends he can analyze the US economy, but he is completely ignorant of how it operates.

interesting that the articles say different than your post. your dishonesty is noted.

i have proven my point. your post is irrelevant compared to the articles.

My God, I quoted the articles. How could "the articles say different than [my] post"? Good luck with that.
 
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I read most of it and it wasn't that hard to understand.

Holy crap!!!

You must be a genius with a lot of time on your hands, I mean a looooottttt of time on your hands. lmao.
 

Well, I can think of thousands of people in my company alone whose premiums went up. Obama said I'd save $2500 a year. today he claimed $1800 a year, so I guess he is confused. $2500 a year savings because of Obamacare. So, over the past 5 years, where is my $12,500?
 

Don't hold your breath... I'm still waiting for my free Iraq oil card from when the left kept claiming the US invaded for the oil. Still no free Iraq oil card though....
 
GOP posters like you should be demanding to see what your leading POTUS contenders will REPLACE SCOTUS-care with, along with the plans from GOP House and Senate members being introduced on the floors of those bodies .



Right now theres a leadership problem with those in Congress, and we don't have to demand to see what the leading Potus Contenders will replace BO care with. They will eagerly tout their idea in their race to be President.

Although he wont be a leading contender. I do think Jindal has the advantage there with his plan that he came out with. I think that was last year or the year before.

Not to mention he use to be an advisor to HHS.
 
Holy crap!!!

You must be a genius with a lot of time on your hands, I mean a looooottttt of time on your hands. lmao.

It only took about an hour or two to read because it's double spaced and I can speed read. If you don't read it then how do you know you don't like what's in it, right?
 
I'm afraid we've crossed another barrier into lawlessness. The highest court in the land has now told us that the plain meaning of words in a law are less important than what the court thinks the words should mean.

That's gonna bite us all in the ass.
 

When will those plans hit the House and Senate floors? You are aware who is running the show, right? Until then, it's all lame GOP talk.

Since he took the ME, Kasich is the only one who could stand out from the rest of the clowns and point out GOP contributions to SCOTUS-care .
 
<facepalm>

Well, enjoy your sky-high premiums and $5K and $10K deductibles, LOL!

Y'know, when it comes to life-saving surgery, I'd much rather owe a $10K deductible (even though the max is actually about $6,500) than to forego the surgery at all because (if we went back to the way it was pre-ACA) I can't have it because I'm not rich enough to pay for it out of pocket and my pre-existing conditions prevent me from getting insurance anyway....

And if you lived in a state that accepted the federal funding, maybe you wouldn't be paying sky-high premiums. I know here in Washington state, my brothers-in-laws' premium payments are zero, and their deductibles (for major stuff not otherwise covered) is $6500.

But I guess that's tyranny...and telling people that they can't have insurance because they have pre-existing conditions, or that they have to pay more because they're women, well, THAT's REAL FREEDOM!
 
You bring up interesting points, though I'm not sure I (always) see the same results you envision.

Why is it you believe Mrs. Clinton would let the ACA collapse upon itself?

(she was a strong healthcare proponent during her husband's presidency, but got beaten back by the insurance industry then, from my best recollection)

I do find it interesting you feel a Republican could save it, but with someone like Mr. Bush you might be right, seeing that he seems extremely moderate to me. But I'm still not sure I see the GOP as a whole getting behind the ACA or universal healthcare at this time.

And you are right in that there is the possibility of MedicAid expansion (though I originally felt there could be a MediCare expansion, possibly starting with a buy-in, whether subsidized or not). But yes, the MedicAid threshold was increased 125% under the ACA, and it could be progressively bumped-up over time.

I wouldn't doubt that under the umbrella-guise of the ACA, several of these tacts merge and morph over the years into something approaching universal coverage.

But I'm dead against a means-tested 'government picks winners & losers system', like the current ACA and MedicAid. If there's a benefit to be provided, it should be provided for all, equally.

[BTW CanadaJohn, my grandfather migrated from Poland to Canada firstly, living there for quite a few years while bringing in tons of family members, before eventually ending-up in the States. Consequently, I've got relatives from Quebec to Vancouver and we visit each-other occasionally, so I've had some very basic familiarity with the Canuck health system since the early '70's - that's why, in part, I want us to enjoy universal healthcare here.]
 

....:shrug: because FDR did it, and we don't like to change things that FDR did because Mean Old Republicans Hate Poor People?
 
unfortunately there is no more appeals. the SCOTUS again screwed the American people over.
we will have to wait till 2016 and hopefully a republican president use budget reconciliation to remove obamacare and put something else in it's place.


Heya Ludin. :2wave: Here is what Boehner said today.



Boehner: We'll keep trying to repeal Obamacare...... :roll:


House Speaker John Boehner said Thursday that the GOP will keep trying to repeal Obamacare, after a Supreme Court ruling that upheld subsidies to people using the federal insurance exchange and basically left the law intact.

Obamacare is fundamentally broken, increasing healthcare costs for millions of Americans. Today's ruling doesn't change that fact," Boehner said. "Republicans will continue to listen to American families and work to protect them from the consequences of Obamacare." "And we will continue our efforts to repeal the law and replace it with patient-centered solutions that meet the needs of seniors, small business owners, and middle-class families," he said.

Republicans have been legislatively picking at the law, voting to repeal parts of it, most recently the medical device tax. The GOP is also mulling a plan to repeal much of the law as part of the budget process, using a parliamentary procedure that would allow the Senate GOP to vote to repeal it with just 51 votes.....snip~

Boehner: We'll keep trying to repeal Obamacare | WashingtonExaminer.com
 
That's an interesting comment, because the Supreme Court did more-or-less seize it's own power (over Congress), when Justice Marshall established 'judicial review' early-on in the Court's (and country's) history.

That is the problem. there is nothing to stop the SCOTUS. I mean congress can fix the bill,
but as we see here we have the SCOTUS doing an unconstitutional thing and re-writing a established law which is not their authority.
that is where scalia just nails them to the wall.

he is right words now mean nothing. what is worse is now the federal government is or a federal organization is not considered a state.
 
OK, issued decision you disagree with so obviously that must mean he's a traitor. :roll:

when a judges responsibility is to uphold the constitution and he upholds his politics instead yes that is treason.
 
My God, I quoted the articles. How could "the articles say different than [my] post"? Good luck with that.

no you quoted what you wanted from the articles and ignore the rest of it that says different. again your dishonesty is noted.

all those articles back what I said. you are proven wrong I am proven right.
 

still won't matter they don't have the 3/4's in the senate to override a veto.
 
You definitely have that right.

Also, in a macro economics sense it's very easy to see when you have a profit-making layer between the funds & the service (i.e. the insurance companies), there will be more costs (and more inefficiencies). Ditching the insurance companies will save us about 27% of our healthcare dollar (if I remember correctly), which would easily cover everyone.

This is what happens when you have a governing structure that is open to the highest bidder, and money flows in virtually unabated - in such a system moneyed interests will prevail.
 
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