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So at the risk of thread derailment.....
My brother, hard core workin man, drives truck, does masonry, plumbing, framing and just about any other tough job that can be done with your hands. hasn't had insurance since he left the Marine Core 25 years ago. Under Obama he get's catastrophic insurance, it costs him like $110 a month and his deductibles are really, crazy high, but if he ever gets mouth cancer from chewing tobacco all these years, the $50,000-$100,000 dollars it would have cost him to have it treated is now paid for. He doesn't have to sell a lifetimes worth of tools (his livelihood) to pay for treatment....His out of pocket, $10K? I don't see how this isn't a steal?
Obamacare's Out-Of-Pocket Caps Waived Until 2015: ForbesHuffington Post said:While insurers and premium-payers will be happy with the delay—whose legal justification is dubious once again—there are groups that grumbled. Specifically, groups representing those with chronic diseases, and the pharmaceutical companies whose costly drugs they will use. “The American Cancer Society shares the concern” about the delay, says Pear, “and noted that some new cancer drugs cost $100,000 a year or more.” But a big part of the reason those drugs cost so much is because manufacturers know that government-run insurers will pay up.
“The promise of out-of-pocket limits was one of the main reasons we supported health reform,” says Theodore M. Thompson of the National Multiple Sclerosis Society . “We have wonderful new drugs, the biologics, to treat rheumatoid arthritis,” said Patience H. White of the Arthritis Foundation. “But they are extremely expensive.”
The progressive solution to expensive problems? More subsidies. But subsidies don’t reduce the underlying cost of care. They only excuse the high prices that manufacturers and service providers already charge.
I've seen all the twitter comments from GOPs.
It's still the same song-and-dance routine with repeal and no specifics with which to replace it .
Sorry but I just don't buy a word of that. Liberals call it the Green Lantern Theory of the presidency, and it refers to the notion that the POTUS has these immense powers of persuasion that if only he'd use them could convince, in this case, right wing republicans (who met and agreed to fight Obama on EVERYTHING before he was inaugurated) would have gone along with socialized medicine in the U.S.
You just have to ignore all the political realities in the U.S. circa 2009 to believe it. The Democratic author of the bill, Baucus, was a puppet of the insurers and hired a f'ing insurance company VP to write the law. The idea that a single payer system killing off insurers makes it into a bill that even gets a serious hearing is wishful thinking at its finest, and the idea that a single payer system that would eliminate the market for some of the U.S. largest companies could get 60 votes is just absurd.
Incorrect.
1) Congress can pass another law; e.g. there is absolutely no legal reason it can pass a law that explicitly suspends subsidies for states that don't run their own exchanges, or overturns the ACA. If you've got the votes, of course.
2) Justices can be impeached.
3) The Constitution can be modified, either via amendment or a Convention.
There are numerous other flaws in the US Constitution, but this is not the thread to review those problems. Anyway...
hahahaha
Good luck with that.
The opponents of the law will also need a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, which is highly unlikely. Then, they'll need to fight the health care industry, most of which has already adapted to the new system at no small expense. Then, someone has to explain why the people who lambasted the ACA for pushing people off their old plans and onto new plans, are going to completely take away health insurance from about 18 million people. These are the same politicians who have not offered a real replacement, despite this whole process starting in 2010.
Let's not forget that merely referring to it as "Obamacare" drives down poll numbers; that calling it the ACA in a poll boost support by several points -- and that many of the provisions are, in fact, highly popular. E.g. in 2014:
- Extension of dependent coverage: 80% approval
- Close Medicare donut hole: 79%
- Subsidies: 77%
- Eliminate copays for preventative care: 77%
- Medicaid expansion: 74%
- Guaranteed issue: 70%
- Medical loss ratio: 62%
- Increase Medicare payroll tax on upper income: 56%
- Individual mandate/penalty: 35%
(And as usual, we see how the American public wants benefits, but doesn't want to pay for it. Big shock.)
Sorry dude, but this war's pretty much over.
Exactly!
It takes a lot of balls, capital expenditure, capital flow (soon hopefully), and the need to develop positive cash flow ASAP. All of which are facilitated by taking healthcare expenditures off the table!
This seems so otherwise obvious, that I'm at a loss to see how it's not touted more ...
71% of all newly insured through 2014 were from Medicaid Expansion. (source)
But....but....but just like with all those part time jobs being created showing impressive Obama job growth facts like these don't matter to big govt. liberals who promote the nanny state.
Yeah, it put your chart in its proper perspective.
mimi loves posting opinions and passing them off as fact. … I fully expect mimi
interesting that the articles say different than your post. your dishonesty is noted.
i have proven my point. your post is irrelevant compared to the articles.
I read most of it and it wasn't that hard to understand.
Hmmm...my insurance dropped to $80 per month, no co-pay, no prescription fee, no difference whether in-vs-out of network coverage, no deductible. I pay $80 a month, and I can get literally any health care I need with no out-of-pocket cost. Ditto the other members of my immediate family. Most of the people I know experienced similar salutary effects. I don't know anyone whose premium increased. The stories I've read of people who did have increased premiums were of people who had super-high deductibles and co-pays or something beforehand, which plans the insurance companies decided to drop.
Well, I can think of thousands of people in my company alone whose premiums went up. Obama said I'd save $2500 a year. today he claimed $1800 a year, so I guess he is confused. $2500 a year savings because of Obamacare. So, over the past 5 years, where is my $12,500?
GOP posters like you should be demanding to see what your leading POTUS contenders will REPLACE SCOTUS-care with, along with the plans from GOP House and Senate members being introduced on the floors of those bodies .
Holy crap!!!
You must be a genius with a lot of time on your hands, I mean a looooottttt of time on your hands. lmao.
Thanks for the laugh. "I'm right. Just Google it and you'll find out." Pfft.
Holy crap!!!
You must be a genius with a lot of time on your hands, I mean a looooottttt of time on your hands. lmao.
Jindal has a plan. Ryan has a plan. Price has a Plan. Plus I think there were like 3 others. All have specifics in them.
So its not like they didn't have a plan. Even had Demos in with them on repealing the Medical Device Tax. Plus had Demos seeking relief from the mandate.
Which we all know. BO was constantly threatening to veto anything that took down his Special Package.
I don't think Roberts will be hanging out in certain circles much anymore. Which for the Right. That is a good thing.
<facepalm>
Well, enjoy your sky-high premiums and $5K and $10K deductibles, LOL!
You bring up interesting points, though I'm not sure I (always) see the same results you envision.That's fair - I'd say if Hillary Clinton somehow becomes President, a huge mistake in my view, you can forget about any comprehensive change to the ACA. It will be left to collapse unto itself. The only chance for comprehensive reform will be through a Republican President, someone like Jeb Bush, who can move away from the mandates and push to have broadened coverage of those without insurance at the moment - this is what should have been done in the US before the ACA. It would be, in effect, a federally funded complete expansion of Medicaid to cover those without insurance for financial reasons. In effect, a self-insurance program.
That will, over time, move the nation towards a single payer system that is supported by the majority of people. And you're right, it wouldn't be quick and it won't be easy, but a Clinton Presidency sets it back a decade and perhaps the ACA collapses under it's own inefficient weight.
I'm with you, justabubba -
An employment based healthcare system is asinine!
As I commented before: "In severe recession (like 2009), the rest of the civilized world suffers an economic crisis - but we suffer an economic crisis AND a healthcare crisis"!
Why?
And in other terms: Why would we want to stifle entrepreneurship by having employees unable to risk new ventures due to putting their families in jeopardy by lacking healthcare?
It's nonsense.
unfortunately there is no more appeals. the SCOTUS again screwed the American people over.
we will have to wait till 2016 and hopefully a republican president use budget reconciliation to remove obamacare and put something else in it's place.
What the ****?
You need to assume what I have been trying tpo hammer into the thick skulls of Americans for 30m years?
That's an interesting comment, because the Supreme Court did more-or-less seize it's own power (over Congress), when Justice Marshall established 'judicial review' early-on in the Court's (and country's) history.
OK, issued decision you disagree with so obviously that must mean he's a traitor. :roll:
My God, I quoted the articles. How could "the articles say different than [my] post"? Good luck with that.
Heya Ludin. :2wave: Here is what Boehner said today.
Boehner: We'll keep trying to repeal Obamacare...... :roll:
House Speaker John Boehner said Thursday that the GOP will keep trying to repeal Obamacare, after a Supreme Court ruling that upheld subsidies to people using the federal insurance exchange and basically left the law intact.
Obamacare is fundamentally broken, increasing healthcare costs for millions of Americans. Today's ruling doesn't change that fact," Boehner said. "Republicans will continue to listen to American families and work to protect them from the consequences of Obamacare." "And we will continue our efforts to repeal the law and replace it with patient-centered solutions that meet the needs of seniors, small business owners, and middle-class families," he said.
Republicans have been legislatively picking at the law, voting to repeal parts of it, most recently the medical device tax. The GOP is also mulling a plan to repeal much of the law as part of the budget process, using a parliamentary procedure that would allow the Senate GOP to vote to repeal it with just 51 votes.....snip~
Boehner: We'll keep trying to repeal Obamacare | WashingtonExaminer.com
You definitely have that right.Wait there's more!
I ran businesses most of my life, even in media I was middle management. When you "own" the operation it's different again. You will more than a few times have to forgo paying yourself to make payroll, it is a fact.
but to the point, with UHC I have an advantage over US companies. While my company pays less tax than a US firm, I do not have the employer portion of the for profit insurance industry which is reaping in record profits through the Obamacare they wrote. I can, to be more competitive offering higher benefits than what is affordable by small companies in the US. Or I can offer better wages, or both.
Further, my sick leave pay will be down between 20 and 30 %, simply based on the fact the employee need not worry about any cost when seeing a doctor.
Then we can look at how much the Obamacare system takes OUT of the economy, where the profits go, and the true global cost of that system.
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