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Supreme Court unanimously blocks Mexico’s lawsuit against U.S. gunmakers

OlNate said:
Purdue Pharma (makers of OxyContin) reached settlements totaling over $6 billion for its aggressive and misleading marketing, despite the criminal acts (drug trafficking, overdose deaths) being committed by others down the line.

Remington Arms - Sandy Hook shooting - again, due to irresponsible marketing.

Ford - Pintos exploding due to rear end collisions. Ford was found liable for wrongful deaths due to failing to fix a known design defect, even though the drivers misused the vehicles (e.g. speeding).
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Purdue was prosecuted for actions they took in pushing OxyContin, not because it was being used illegally.

Remington’s insurance holders settlement without admitting any responsibility. By that time Remington had ceased to exist.

Ford was found liable for design and manufacturing defects, which gun manufacturers can also be held liable for.

If that’s all you’ve got, that’s pretty weak.
 
Moon said:
Purdue was prosecuted for actions they took in pushing OxyContin, not because it was being used illegally.

Remington’s insurance holders settlement without admitting any responsibility. By that time Remington had ceased to exist.

Ford was found liable for design and manufacturing defects, which gun manufacturers can also be held liable for.

If that’s all you’ve got, that’s pretty weak.
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Only if you want it to be weak. 🤷‍♂️ I just put what you said into GPT, and that's what it came back with. Have your fight with it.

Anwyay, I already said what I think, I don't believe anyone should be on the hook for criminal activities, other than the criminals who engage in them. Do you agree or disagree with that statement?
 
Peter said:
Widget makers are held responsible all the time for public safety.
If they make a productthey know is unsafe they will get prosecuted.
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Apples and oranges. Widget makers are held liable for products that don't work or are flawed and injure people. You'd have a point if the guns
blew up in people's hands but Smith and Wesson firearms operate as designed.

Do we hold GM liable foe vehicular homicide?
 
OlNate said:
Only if you want it to be weak. 🤷‍♂️ I just put what you said into GPT, and that's what it came back with. Have your fight with it.

Anwyay, I already said what I think, I don't believe anyone should be on the hook for criminal activities, other than the criminals who engage in them. Do you agree or disagree with that statement?
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I feel like I should be surprised that you use an AI to make your arguments for you, and then won’t even stand by it when challenged. That just reinforces how utterly weak your position is.
 
Moon said:
I feel like I should be surprised that you use an AI to make your arguments for you, and then won’t even stand by it when challenged. That just reinforces how utterly weak your position is.
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What position, I was attempting to answer a question you asked. You're struggling, bud. This is kinda embarassing for you.

Here's the question you failed to answer from the last post, becaue you were too busy trying to make me upset:

Anwyay, I already said what I think, I don't believe anyone should be on the hook for criminal activities, other than the criminals who engage in them. Do you agree or disagree with that statement?
 
OlNate said:
What position, I was attempting to answer a question you asked. You're struggling, bud. This is kinda embarassing for you.

Here's the question you failed to answer from the last post, becaue you were too busy trying to make me upset:

Anwyay, I already said what I think, I don't believe anyone should be on the hook for criminal activities, other than the criminals who engage in them. Do you agree or disagree with that statement?
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Embarrassing for me? lol, that’s funny coming from someone who used AI to generate a response (without noting it was AI generated) and then abandoned it when challenged because it was a weak reply.
 
Moon said:
Embarrassing for me? lol, that’s funny coming from someone who used AI to generate a response (without noting it was AI generated) and then abandoned it when challenged because it was a weak reply.
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Still won't answer the question, huh.... I wonder why.... 🤔 ;)

As for your little bit of creative writing here, I used GPT because I didn't feel like it was worth more effort than that. I was attempting to provide you with what you were after, with the least amount of effort possible, because it wasn't my point. Say thank you and move on... maybe answer the question, I don't know, seems like the next logical step in this discussion.

Since you've been struggling with this concept for the last couple posts, I got GPT to downgrade the above statement to a 1st grade reading level for you:

I used the computer to help me write this because I didn’t want to spend too much time on it. I was just trying to give you what you asked for. That’s all. You can say thank you and keep going. Maybe try answering the question next—that would make sense.

Did that help?
 
OlNate said:
Still won't answer the question, huh.... I wonder why.... 🤔 ;)

As for your little bit of creative writing here, I used GPT because I didn't feel like it was worth more effort than that. I was attempting to provide you with what you were after, with the least amount of effort possible, because it wasn't my point. Say thank you and move on... maybe answer the question, I don't know, seems like the next logical step in this discussion.

Since you've been struggling with this concept for the last couple posts, I got GPT to downgrade the above statement to a 1st grade reading level for you:

I used the computer to help me write this because I didn’t want to spend too much time on it. I was just trying to give you what you asked for. That’s all. You can say thank you and keep going. Maybe try answering the question next—that would make sense.

Did that help?
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Just demonstrates the ongoing weakness of your position. You know the old saying, when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. You should pay heed.

I’m not really interested in your presumed position. Maybe you should have led with that instead of posting as much nonsense as you have.
 
Moon said:
Just demonstrates the ongoing weakness of your position. You know the old saying, when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. You should pay heed.

I’m not really interested in your presumed position. Maybe you should have led with that instead of posting as much nonsense as you have.
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Nah, I felt like trappin' me a maga today, bud....hehe... I just find all this "only the criminal is to blame" shit funny in light of what you guys did over a teaspoon of fentanyl.

Anwyay, I'm bored now. Have fun. :)
 
OlNate said:
Nah, I felt like trappin' me a maga today, bud....hehe... I just find all this "only the criminal is to blame" shit funny in light of what you guys did over a teaspoon of fentanyl.

Anwyay, I'm bored now. Have fun. :)
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Not a MAGA, so like everything else in this thread it’s yet another massive fail on your part. Maybe have AI generate some comforting statements to help you get through.
 
Moon said:
Not a MAGA, so like everything else in this thread it’s yet another massive fail on your part. Maybe have AI generate some comforting statements to help you get through.
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There, there.
 
rhinefire said:
Sorry, the cartels have no use for toys only guns and bombs from the USA. The criminals here support the criminals there. Get it?
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Drunk drivers have no use for toy cars, only the real ones. Is Detroit liable?
 
rhinefire said:
Do you think they make them themselves?!
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Gee, I never thought about whether they could make explosives. Chemistry is hard! Now I wonder if the cartels export the opium and coca leaves to the U.S. to have American chemists make the cocaine for them... Then again, given that 54% of Americans read below a sixth-grade level, and practically nobody in the U.S. knows the metric system except for purposes of buying drugs, I'm thinking nay, that can't be right. Maybe they export the raw materials to Europe to have one of the big pharma companies there make the drugs out of them? :)
 
bythoughts said:
Gee, I never thought about whether they could make explosives. Chemistry is hard! Now I wonder if the cartels export the opium and coca leaves to the U.S. to have American chemists make the cocaine for them... Then again, given that 54% of Americans read below a sixth-grade level, and practically nobody in the U.S. knows the metric system except for purposes of buying drugs, I'm thinking nay, that can't be right. Maybe they export the raw materials to Europe to have one of the big pharma companies there make the drugs out of them? :)
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Tip of The Day: Organized crime sends weaponry to the cartel including a variety of explosive devices .. You see the cartel as a group of frustrated teens making bombs in their daddy's garage. It's called a business.
 
Mexico's problem is terrorist cartels ...

until they address that as a nation, nothing will change down there
 
Every time I see a thread like this it reminds me that we're due for another high profile mass shooting (not counting the daily ones).
 
rhinefire said:
Mexico's anti-gun laws are some of the strictest in the world yet have one of the highest murder rates in the world. Why this irony? Guns from the U.S.
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Another lie. Most Mexican guns come from South America or are stolen/sold from their military. A majority of firearms in Mexico are never sent to the U.S. for tracing.
 
OlNate said:
To be honest, I'm surprised that law was even necessary, as it's ludicrous to blame anyone other than the criminals when criminal acts are committed.
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The law was necessary because of the actions of Democrats.

en.wikipedia.org

Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

US Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Andrew Cuomo was quoted as saying that gun manufacturers that did not comply would suffer "death by a thousand cuts", and then-New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer said that those who didn't cooperate would have bankruptcy lawyers "knocking at your door".
 
OlNate said:
Purdue Pharma (makers of OxyContin) reached settlements totaling over $6 billion for its aggressive and misleading marketing, despite the criminal acts (drug trafficking, overdose deaths) being committed by others down the line.

Remington Arms - Sandy Hook shooting - again, due to irresponsible marketing.
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Remington didn’t settle. It was already bankrupt. Their insurance company settled. Big difference.
OlNate said:
Ford - Pintos exploding due to rear end collisions. Ford was found liable for wrongful deaths due to failing to fix a known design defect, even though the drivers misused the vehicles (e.g. speeding).
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JMB1911A1 said:
Another lie. Most Mexican guns come from South America or are stolen/sold from their military. A majority of firearms in Mexico are never sent to the U.S. for tracing.
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You might wanna check that statistic. I found this on the ATF website:


The overview states:

As documented in NFCTA Volume II, Part IV, firearms originating in the U.S. and recovered in Mexicobetween 2017 and 2021 represented 74% of all international crime guns traced to a purchaser. 1 Tracedata further documents that crime guns recovered in Mexico often originate from firearm transfers atFederal Firearm Licensees (FFLs) in four Southwest border (SWB) states: Arizona, California, NewMexico, and Texas. 2 Further analysis indicates that transnational gun traffickers exploit the same criminalchannels to divert firearms from legal commerce as domestic gun traffickers.
 
OlNate said:
You might wanna check that statistic. I found this on the ATF website:


The overview states:

As documented in NFCTA Volume II, Part IV, firearms originating in the U.S. and recovered in Mexicobetween 2017 and 2021 represented 74% of all international crime guns traced to a purchaser. 1 Tracedata further documents that crime guns recovered in Mexico often originate from firearm transfers atFederal Firearm Licensees (FFLs) in four Southwest border (SWB) states: Arizona, California, NewMexico, and Texas. 2 Further analysis indicates that transnational gun traffickers exploit the same criminalchannels to divert firearms from legal commerce as domestic gun traffickers.
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Mexico does not submit 100% of the guns they recover at crime scenes to the ATF. Also, firearms legally sold to Mexican police and military and later stolen/sold by corrupt officials count towards those “US guns”.

www.newsweek.com

FactCheck: How Many Mexican Guns Come From U.S.?

President Obama says 90 percent of Mexico's recovered crime guns come from the U.S. That's not what the statistics show.
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The figure represents only the percentage of crime guns that have been submitted by Mexican officials and traced by U.S. officials. We can find no hard data on the total number of guns actually "recovered in Mexico," but U.S. and Mexican officials both say that Mexico recovers more guns than it submits for tracing. Therefore, the percentage of guns "recovered" that are traced to U.S. sources necessarily is less than 90 percent. Where do the others come from? U.S. officials can't say.
www.police1.com

Mexico's gun supply and the 90 percent myth

The same economic law of supply and demand that fuels drug smuggling into the US fuels gun smuggling into Mexico
www.police1.com www.police1.com
According to the GAO report, some 30,000 firearms were seized from criminals by Mexican authorities in 2008. Of these 30,000 firearms, information pertaining to 7,200 of them (24 percent) was submitted to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) for tracing. Of these 7,200 guns, only about 4,000 could be traced by the ATF, and of these 4,000, some 3,480 (87 percent) were shown to have come from the United States.
 
Safiel said:
To be fair, this was a pretty easy case.

4 decisions today were unanimous and 1 was virtually unanimous (1 Justice concurring in the judgement and most, but not quite all, of the opinion.)
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So easy in fact that they had to reverse an appeal ...Perhaps that appellate court should be looked into.
 
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