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Why not just merit based scholarships? Is there an issue with merit based scholarships?
Why not just merit based scholarships? Is there an issue with merit based scholarships?I wonder if they will get rid of minority scholarships too
Will the NAACP be outlawed due to this court?Why not just merit based scholarships? Is there an issue with merit based scholarships?
Bullshit. Ive taken the SAT, there were no racial bias questions whatsoever in it. If more blacks fail the SAT its because they dont study hard enough.And tge test can be racially biased.
The sat throws out questions that a majority of people miss.
Well studies find out that their are questions that black people miss way more than white people...but they don't get thrown out because they are a minority..
But meanwhile they were questions that white people missed way way more than black people. But they got thrown out because white people are a majority.
Which gives white people and advantage.
More bullshit. Asians have been discriminated against, and there were even laws restricting them from immigrating into the country in the past. During WW2 the entire Japanese population was even forced into camps, and they lost everything. Yet now, they are more highly educated than whites.As far as Asians doing well...the Asian experience is not exactly like other races in america. Each race is unique in its cultural and economic experience.
I took the SAT once and passed, so it didnt cost me anything. Your claims of structural racism are moronic.Tests can be racially biased.
It can be as simple as the fact tge more you take the sat..the better your score through experience.
The sat costs money. Those with less money can't take tge test multiple times.
Their are also tutoring programs and books for the sat. Those with more money ..i.e. such as a wealthier race..will have an advantage.
The facts of the Harvard case have been well publicized. You shouldn’t be having to ask others to fetch you the information. In fact, if you’re commenting on this thread and want to be taken seriously, you should have already read about it.I'll be happy to review any evidence of this. Could we have a link?
I'm British, live in England and these things seldom appear in UK news. Thanks for your understanding.The facts of the Harvard case have been well publicized. You shouldn’t be having to ask others to fetch you the information. In fact, if you’re commenting on this thread and want to be taken seriously, you should have already read about it.
Sowell really is one of the great American intellectuals of the last century. And he should be considered among the greats of African American society alongside Du Bois and King, but politics won’t allow it.Skip to 6:45 and you will quickly understand the problem with using race for college admissions:
Fair point. I didn't realize that was your first post in the thread. Apologies.I'm British, live in England and these things seldom appear in UK news. Thanks for your understanding.
No worriesFair point. I didn't realize that was your first post in the thread. Apologies.
Well. Gosh no.
As pointed out.. the Asians are way overrepresented at harvard.. UNDER THE CURRENT SYSTEM..
Kind of hard to claim Harvard is " throwing Asians to the street"..now isn't it.
You silly people.
SAT mean scores of high school seniors taking the SAT, by sex and race/ethnicity: 2021 | |||
|---|---|---|---|
Sex and race/ethnicity | Mean score1 | ||
Total SAT score | Evidence-based reading and writing (ERW) | Math | |
All students | 1060 | 533 | 528 |
Sex | | | |
Male | 1067 | 530 | 537 |
Female | 1054 | 535 | 519 |
Race/ethnicity | | | |
White | 1112 | 562 | 550 |
Black | 934 | 477 | 457 |
Hispanic | 967 | 490 | 477 |
Asian | 1239 | 597 | 642 |
Pacific Islander | 950 | 481 | 469 |
American Indian/Alaska Native | 927 | 468 | 459 |
Two or more races | 1116 | 565 | 551 |
No response | 976 | 483 | 493 |
Bullshit. Ive taken the SAT, there were no racial bias questions whatsoever in it.
If more blacks fail the SAT its because they dont study hard enough.. Asians have been discriminated against, and there were even laws restricting them from immigrating into the country in the past. During WW2 the entire Japanese population was even forced into camps, and they lost everything. Yet now, they are more highly educated than whites.
I took the SAT once and passed, so it didnt cost me anything. Your claims of structural racism are moronic.
You could assume that whites and Asians are studying more.1 Possible scores on each SAT section range from 200 to 800, for a total possible score of 400 to 1600.
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171
1) Assuming that intelligence is evenly distributed and not determined by race, how does one account for the marked discrepancy between different races groups - should we assume that Whites and Asians the only racial groups capable of studying?
No, they are not constructed that way. They are constructed to assess how much has been learned.2) SAT tests are constructed based on the assumption that those being tested have experienced similar opportunities to acquire the same educational background knowledge on which they're being questioned!
No, the SAT test is not an intelligence test. More than anything it's a test of how much has been learned in a given subject area.3) The significant variation in scores for different racial groups either reflects that some races are inherently more intelligent than others (a discredited racist theory) or that the results are more of a measure of the discrepancies that currently exist within the American educational system, not intelligence!
1. You would think someone who took the sat would know its not a " pass /fail " test! Lol.Bullshit. Ive taken the SAT, there were no racial bias questions whatsoever in it. If more blacks fail the SAT its because they dont study hard enough.
More bullshit. Asians have been discriminated against, and there were even laws restricting them from immigrating into the country in the past. During WW2 the entire Japanese population was even forced into camps, and they lost everything. Yet now, they are more highly educated than whites.
I took the SAT once and passed, so it didnt cost me anything. Your claims of structural racism are moronic.
I dunno. I rather doubt it. Is there any by-laws of the NAACP which dictate the requirement to be a 'Colored People'? I dunno, but I rather doubt it.Will the NAACP be outlawed due to this court?
No, but I'm entitled to them nonetheless, with or without your approval.
Always gotta make it about you, cause there is no politics in that brain, just brain rotting axioms.
More last worditis, we get it. Women don't need AA, cause DiAnna says so, on the internet.Feel better now?
There is another way to address this. Income level is not a protected class, and it could serve as a means for legally lowering admission standards for disadvantaged students of all races, many of whom will still be black.
But it will require a mindset change for the folks at Harvard with the realization that not every white applicant is "privileged."
That is a good point, but it can be mitigated by having a basis toward lower income students who may not have the best scores in the applicant class but have scores that meet a minimum, necessary standard.Lowering standards for low income students isn't as bad as lowering standards because of race, but it's still bad. Professors will face classes where some students are less able to learn what they are teaching. They will have to dumb down the lessons, and the more qualified students will learn less.
Unless they want to admit less qualified low income students, and give them catch up classes. And if they don't catch up they can't continue.
Another possibility -- only accept low income students who ARE intellectually qualified, but can't pay. I think some already do that though.
For argument’s sake, let’s suppose to be competitive in class in a given college students typically need to average 1400 on the their math and English SATs. Also suppose there are 1,000 seats in the freshmen class. So long as your pulling lower income kids with scores >= 1400 you’re not setting them up for failure, even if those kids didn’t score in the top 1,000 of applicants.
Tell us you don't understand how socioeconomics affect test scores without telling us you don't understand how socioeconomics affect test scores.
I don understand them,
Nothing crazy about an opinion I’ve give here. It’s just that you’ve jumped to conclusions and are now scrambling to make your comment sound reasonable.We know but you gave a crazy opinion nonetheless. Not sure what else you want people to say?
Nothing crazy about an opinion I’ve give here.
Slavery was once decades of precedent. Should that have remained settled law? How long is enough for affirmative action policies? Slavery no longer exists and the civil rights bill ended segregation, Martin Luther King never intended a permanent advantage until the end of time.Shocking that this SCOTUS would overrule decades of precedent including previous SCOTUS decisions.
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