Supreme Court allows Trump to resume Education Department layoffs

[VySky]

My school doesn't do any of that, yet his cuts affect them.

Let the state take over.

 

[MAGAnificent]

How is effectively ending the Department of Education a win for America?

Far less waste. More of the money will go to the schools where it's needed/

 

[Michael Cole]

Lol!!

Your posts have gone off the boredom cliff.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I would like anti-DOE posters to explain how gutting this agency helps the nation's special needs students.

Far less fat ass administrator salaries and much more funding to the schools.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

If you love to centralized government so much what about you was conservative I have yet to see one thing.

Conservatives are opposed to BIG government (BIG business too),because it’s the BIG aspect that insists on sucking at the freedom out of the air.

I don’t care if government is centralized or localized as long as it’s the will of the people, works, and knows its place.

There is NOTHING Conservative about breaking things. Conservative governing is small, effective, directed and concise.

Nothing about Trump says small, directed, effective and certainly not concise.

What we doing instead was what we did before when things were functional.

{cough, hack}bullshit{cough,hack}.

Preserving dysfunction trust because you have to have a placeholder is not very smart

It’s smarter to keep something that works at a four rather than disrupt it to get to zero and gave NOTHING to,lift it back to the 4 you took it four from.

Now, if you told me Trump had the eight in pocket and needed to disrupt the four to get it to the eight, we’d have something to talk about, but we both know Trump has no eight in pocket. He wants to break the four so his oligarch pals can sell you their privatized three at the price if an eight.

And the losers are the people who are embezzling from the department of education I'm going to go with a for-profit educators as a better thing

I’m sure you would, and be ripped off twice as badly. I know crooks when I see them Trump is crooked. Trump is a self confessed corrupter. You don’t fix our corruption problem by putting the corrupter in charge, anymore than you fix a drug addiction problem by hiring the pusher to be boss.

That you folks dint know that, even though it’s obvious, is why I say you have a DISCERNING problem.

Why don't you ever do that? You seem to get marching orders from mnsnbc.

I take my marching orders from the metrics. I get to those by collecting data, parsing it by use of deductive reasoning, then using critical thinking to DISCERN the meaning of those facts and the best way to deal with them.

 

[BirdinHand]

Far less fat ass administrator salaries and much more funding to the schools.

The DOE doesn’t pay administrator salaries. Local school districts do. The same people that hire them and agreed to those salaries when they hired them.

 

[CLAX1911]

Let the state take over.

They can't let that happen. They're going to fight tooth and nail.

The reason why is if the state takes over different states will have different rules. And the rules that don't prioritize the poorest and maybe prioritize the highest performing will prove that performance-based word systems work.

It's not that they want poor people to have choices or decent schools it's that they want rich and middle class people to have the same thing poor people have all equally terrible.

No problem they're running into is rich people will always have school choice there is nothing you can do about it. So really what all you're doing is making sure that the middle class is poorly educated. And that's why illiteracy is higher now than it was in the 60s.

 

[multivita-man]

How will we ever survive without our kids viewing a drag show and reading porn like Gender Queer?

What does one have to do with the other?

 

[Logophile]

Yeah, but Trump is really taking aim at education and support programs for schools, he's looking to cut research dollars by 1/3, he keeps attacking universities, etc. So there IS a War on Education and Science. I don't buy MAGA lies, so sell them elsewhere.

I want education to be reflective of a free society, and for that, I need the federal government out of it. Freedom is paramount in America, and we can't lose it to a constant federal struggle for dominance. LBJ was a lot worse than Trump and so was Nixon. Right now Trump has become the latest swear word for a faction of the population's malcontents, but that doesn't make for unity or a better way of life for new generations or us. People are not puppets, and can't be under a yoke to be their morally best, amenable to each other and willing to entertain new ideas. Liberals are shooting themselves in the foot by the endless barrage of angry, foot stomping demands that are both unreasonable and self-defeating. Worse, they're targeting kids through social media to make them "acceptable" through liberal conformity. Kids need rebellion, but to use them politically is abhorrent. It seems to me the serious left rejoices at making conservatives angry and pushing them to the brink and hopes to condemn them for it. It's manipulative and disgusting, and more to the point, they don't even address the real struggle of WAR, and the supporting of all the carnage that we are forced to support

 

[Jezcoe]

I want education to be reflective of a free society, and for that, I need the federal government out of it. Freedom is paramount in America, and we can't lose it to a constant federal struggle for dominance. LBJ was a lot worse than Trump and so was Nixon. Right now Trump has become the latest swear word for a faction of the population's malcontents, but that doesn't make for unity or a better way of life for new generations or us. People are not puppets, and can't be under a yoke to be their morally best, amenable to each other and willing to entertain new ideas. Liberals are shooting themselves in the foot by the endless barrage of angry, foot stomping demands that are both unreasonable and self-defeating. Worse, they're targeting kids through social media to make them "acceptable" through liberal conformity. Kids need rebellion, but to use them politically is abhorrent. It seems to me the serious left rejoices at making conservatives angry and pushing them to the brink and hopes to condemn them for it. It's manipulative and disgusting, and more to the point, they don't even address the real struggle of WAR, and the supporting of all the carnage that we are forced to support

My favorite part is how everything in the fault of the “left” like Conservatives have no real agency… just reaction.

 

[MAGAnificent]

The DOE doesn’t pay administrator salaries. Local school districts do. The same people that hire them and agreed to those salaries when they hired them.

Local school districts pay for the fat ass administrators at the DOE in DC? Interesting.

 

[Logophile]

Your posts have gone off the boredom cliff.

Please don't disappoint me again. If you don't like my posts, own it with a modicum of sincerity and good will, refute it intelligently or move along. If you can't do that, we're done. no point in an exchange with you when you descend into something petty. It wouldn't be the first time, so perhaps those are your true colors. I'd like not to think so

 

[CLAX1911]

Conservatives are opposed to BIG government (BIG business too),

If their Democrats just pretending to be conservative yes. Conservative means smaller government it means nothing about businesses. What you're talking about is socialism like Bernie Sanders sort of thing you're as conservative as Bernie Sanders and Alexandria ocasio-cortez that's why you agree with them about big business.

because it’s the BIG aspect that insists on sucking at the freedom out of the air.

No it's always the government you are repeating socialist talking points. Now you're going to tell me the only reason Cuba is poor is because of the US right

Go ahead Bernie let it rip.

I don’t care if government is centralized or localized as long as it’s the will of the people, works, and knows its place.

So you're not conservative.

If the government is big the will of the people necessarily is small these are two factors that are dependent on each other and if you were actually a conservative it just didn't lie about it you would know this.

There is NOTHING Conservative about breaking things.

I wouldn't take your word for anything being conservative because you're singing with the same things Bernie Sanders says.

That's like listening to a vegan telling me which steak is better.

Conservative governing is small, effective, directed and concise.

See above.

Nothing about Trump says small, directed, effective and certainly not concise.

Okay Bernie Sanders thank you for your input I'll really try and keep that in mind.

{cough, hack}bullshit{cough,hack}.

Sure Mr Sanders.

It’s smarter to keep something that works at a four rather than disrupt it to get to zero and gave NOTHING to,lift it back to the 4 you took it four from.

So the big wasteful spinach that has done absolutely nothing in its entire existence is necessary because status quo is perfect.

Did you honeymoon in the Soviet Union like your hero?

Now, if you told me Trump had the eight in pocket and needed to disrupt the four to get it to the eight, we’d have something to talk about, but we both know Trump has no eight in pocket. He wants to break the four so his oligarch pals can sell you their privatized three at the price if an eight.

Sure Bernie.

I’m sure you would, and be ripped off twice as badly. I know crooks when I see them Trump is crooked.

This is just brain dead TDS. Perhaps you should invest in some blue hair dye and a nose ring. Maybe put on 300 lb and say you're perfectly healthy

Trump is a self confessed corrupter. You don’t fix our corruption problem by putting the corrupter in charge, anymore than you fix a drug addiction problem by hiring the pusher to be boss.

That you folks dint know that, even though it’s obvious, is why I say you have a DISCERNING problem.




I take my marching orders from the metrics. I get to those by collecting data, parsing it by use of deductive reasoning, then using critical thinking to DISCERN the meaning of those facts and the best way to deal with them.

Yeah I just say you support Bernie Sanders and be done with it.

I don't know why you're trying to push this idea that you're anything but a socialist.

We need a massive bloated government that does nothing but rip people off so that reasons.

 

[BirdinHand]

The reason why is if the state takes over different states will have different rules. And the rules that don't prioritize the poorest and maybe prioritize the highest performing will prove that performance-based word systems work.

It's not that they want poor people to have choices or decent schools it's that they want rich and middle class people to have the same thing poor people have all equally terrible.

No problem they're running into is rich people will always have school choice there is nothing you can do about it. So really what all you're doing is making sure that the middle class is poorly educated. And that's why illiteracy is higher now than it was in the 60s.

States already set their own formulas for how they distribute any funding they might provide.

Schools are largely funded on a local level, not a state or federal one. And how local schools educate is also determined at a local level.

Federal funding went to school districts in addition to state funding and local funding in poorer areas due to those districts not being able to source enough local funding, so the federal government helped them out.

Now they’re screwed

Schools also received additional funding for special education programs again because they are expensive (oh, and no one can take that away, the right of those students to an equal education of non-disabled peers is both federally protected and protected in every state constitution). So…now they’ll have to figure out how they keep those going and provide those services…or get sued and lose.

Lots of places with low local and state tax rates may find those taxes increasing before long

 

[CLAX1911]

States already set their own formulas for how they distribute any funding they might provide.

So that indicates there's no need for the department of education.

Schools are largely funded on a local level, not a state or federal one.

So we pay for the department of education just to employee people what a waste. How about instead of stealing tax dollars from people we make these people get real jobs in a competitive market instead of just mooching off the government.

And how local schools educate is also determined at a local level.

Again showing no need for the department of education.

Federal funding went to school districts in addition to state funding and local funding in poorer areas due to those districts not being able to source enough local funding, so the federal government helped them out.

And these schools instead of improving in the 45 years they've just been handed extra money that have become absolute failures.

To the point where certain school districts have no students at all and any classes that know math on the appropriate level.

How much was the department of education's budget again?

Now they’re screwed

Good. Maybe they should collapse.

Schools also received additional funding for special education programs again because they are expensive (oh, and no one can take that away, the right of those students to an equal education of non-disabled peers is both federally protected and protected in every state constitution).

And since the department of education has existed funded this the level of education has dropped deeply so what good are they?

So…now they’ll have to figure out how they keep those going and provide those services…or get sued and lose.

Or it just works like I used to. When the school system in the US was number one in the world that's better why do you keep wanting to go to absolute trash when we could have better?

Is it spite is it hatred what is it?

Lots of places with low local and state tax rates may find those taxes increasing before long

And they will find certain people moving out of those areas and those areas might improve so this is a good thing.

Don't tempt me with a good time.

 

[BirdinHand]

I want education to be reflective of a free society, and for that, I need the federal government out of

The federal government FUNDS a great deal of education, science and research in the US. And has allowed brilliant individuals that would have not otherwise advanced science and technology and research access to the education that enabled their work.

It’s not an accident that the US has seen such advances in STEM since the inception of the Dept of Education.

We have had a 100% growth in the number of doctors graduating from our medical schools annually. The number of engineers graduating annually has tripled, we have more than double the number of nurses graduating annually.

Coincidence?
No.

 

[Logophile]

My favorite part is how everything in the fault of the “left” like Conservatives have no real agency… just reaction.

Provocation is however, the goal, and it's been okay as a presentation to a point, but not when it's furious and endless. Liberals made a big mistake when thinking that provocation could achieve their ultimate goal. Admittedly, they were on a winning streak, never counting on strong enough push back, figuring that all were conquerable in time. However, the serious left's all consuming hatred for Trump now is that he upended the idea that the world was their oyster, and more to the point, that there would be no viable push back. Trump's win was a shock to the socialist agenda, and it hasn't sat well

 

[CLAX1911]

The federal government FUNDS a great deal of education, science and research in the US. And has allowed brilliant individuals that would have not otherwise advanced science and technology and research access to the education that enabled their work.

It’s not an accident that the US has seen such advances in STEM since the inception of the Dept of Education.

We have had a 100% growth in the number of doctors graduating from our medical schools annually. The number of engineers graduating annually has tripled, we have more than double the number of nurses graduating annually.

Coincidence?
No.

Government involvement isn't to offer opportunity it's to control and reduce opportunity.

Haven't you wondered why prior to the Advent of the department of education our schools were ranked number one in the world and now they're like 25th?

Why is this problem just ignored by you you need government control that bad Rachel maddow is programming you that effectively?

You want to shoot for 50th or maybe 200th maybe we could be the right 200 in the Nations fall behind China.

 

[BirdinHand]

When the school system in the US was number one in the world that's better why do you keep wanting to go to absolute trash when we could have better

It was a completely different world in the pre-DOE 1970’s.

We are graduating more than DOUBLE the college graduates with STEM degrees now than we did prior to the Dept of Education.

More doctors, more nurses, more engineers, more science and technology careers.

We are behind India and China…and if we want to catch up, you don’t do that by kneecapping the funding. And limiting the ability of people to attain those degrees.

Individuals looking at the 70’s and seeing that as aspirational are small minded and don’t realize we are competing in a global capacity and cutting off funding for that is short sighted and stupid.

 

[Jezcoe]

Provocation is however, the goal, and it's been okay as a presentation to a point, but not when it's furious and endless. Liberals made a big mistake when thinking that provocation could achieve their ultimate goal. Admittedly, they were on a winning streak, never counting on strong enough push back, figuring that all were conquerable in time. However, their all consuming hatred for Trump was that he upended the idea that the world was their oyster, and more to the point, that there would be no viable push back. Trump's win was a shock to the socialist agenda, and it hasn't sat well

Trump is expanding the power and scope of the government.

He isn’t making anything smaller.

In the fight to eliminate the socialist agenda… government is getting bigger and more intrusive

 

[Logophile]

Trump is expanding the power and scope of the government.

He isn’t making anything smaller.

In the fight to eliminate the socialist agenda… government is getting bigger and more intrusive

Just the opposite. Trump is shrinking the federal government and moving it toward its fundamental duties

 

[CLAX1911]

It was a completely different world in the pre-DOE 1970’s.

So if you're on a train and the train goes off the tracks and you don't know why you go back to where it was on the tracks and figure out what happened you don't just throw money into the furnace.

We are graduating more than DOUBLE the college graduates with STEM degrees now than we did prior to the Dept of Education.

How many are being employed if we're graduating people that can't be employed it's a waste.

More doctors, more nurses, more engineers, more science and technology careers.

College graduation does not equal career actually college graduation is probably the easiest thing you'll ever do. The idea is as many people as possible graduate. If your graduation rate was lower people wouldn't pay for the education you provide.

We are behind India and China…and if we want to catch up, you don’t do that by kneecapping the funding.

Codes for 45 years this funding did so much that we fell behind.

What we need how about everyone pay 100% taxes and we just throw the money in our furnace and see what happens let's do that.

And limiting the ability of people to attain those degrees.

When it's an achievement are not just something that inevitably happens it's more valuable.

Individuals looking at the 70’s and seeing that as aspirational are small minded and don’t realize we are competing in a global capacity and cutting off funding for that is short sighted and stupid.

We're only competing in a global marketplace because we fell behind.

If we didn't go down this road if the train didn't derail in 1980 everyone would be struggling to keep up with us.

Prior to the department of education existing that's what we had. Now supposedly and that's a big supposition China is ahead of us.

 

[Jezcoe]

Just the opposite. Trump is shrinking the federal government and moving it toward its fundamental duties

No he isn’t.

He is doing a massive expansion of law enforcement and detainment capacity while cutting the things that serve the interest of the people.

 

[CLAX1911]

Trump is expanding the power and scope of the government.

By reducing bureaucracy you don't have to explain that. The way I see it bureaucracy is just a fancy word for fascism how does reducing fascism equal more control?

He isn’t making anything smaller.

So then the department of education is bigger than ever what are you complaining about?

In the fight to eliminate the socialist agenda… government is getting bigger and more intrusive

How is it intruding?

 

[Michael Cole]

Please

...take a hint.