Suppression of Speech Will Lead to Violence

[Perotista]

I'm just warning that suppression of speech will only lead to frustration that spills over into violence. That's one of the reasons why free speech is such a protected right. When you cut off people's basic ability to express themselves, then the only recourse left to them is violence. Speech must be protected, or otherwise political differences will boil over with severe results.

I take it you're talking about twitter. Much like DP here, twitter has rules and is a private company. Trump agreed to their rules much like you agreed to DP's when he joined. Violate those rules here or on twitter, you might get suspended or banned. This isn't a first amendment or free speech issue. It is one of violating the rules agreed on. Trump, like all other president prior to him if he wants to talk to the public he can do so via the press conference or talk to the country via the oval office speech. He still can go on different talk shows and have interviews.

He still has his free speech and would have his twitter if he had broke the rules he, himself agreed on when he joined. Places like DP, twitter, facebook are private entities and as such, can enforce their rules as they see fit. They can as private entities allow one to join, to freely use their forum to express one's ideas. That is as long as one abides by the rules such private entities set up.

The first amendment is all about the government regulating speech, which in this case isn't the government doing so. Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech or of the press or the right of the people to peacefully assemble. It's quite clear that this doesn't apply to private entities as it states congress which is interpreted as being government. The D.C. riot wasn't an peaceful assembly along with the incitement of the riot isn't covered by the first amendment or any free speech clause. There are federal laws against incitement.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Well, we were discussing the people that moved to Parler from FB and Twitter. You labeled them as "anti-American conspiracy nuts and terrorists" "snowflakes because they have no balls" "nutters" " White Supremacist Domestic Trump Terrorists" "punks!" "anarchists."

You admit that you have spent no time on Parler, yet you know this describes its 15 million users. Interesting.

Parler took off right after Donald lost the election AND began insisting the election was fraudulent. Social media sites that are set up to filter out hate speech and violent rhetoric were no longer an option for disgruntled Republicans. So, they sought out a space where they could freely spew their vitriolic swill. Parler advertised itself as just such a place. A place where "right" thinking people could share their beliefs unchecked and uncensored. This is common knowledge.

 

[gbg3]

Pretty much. There's a lot of false equivalency because there seems to be some folk who are trying to downplay the act of seditious domestic terrorism.

Or, those who are trying to use one group of 100-200 thugs to then destroy the lives of half of America's citizens, take away Constitutional rights, and take complete control of America. Try as you might and justify as you are, it just won't work. While what happened Wednesday was horrendous, what it's trying to be used to accomplish is significantly worse. Too many Americans won't allow it.

 

[Irwin Corey]

I'm just warning that suppression of speech will only lead to frustration that spills over into violence. That's one of the reasons why free speech is such a protected right. When you cut off people's basic ability to express themselves, then the only recourse left to them is violence. Speech must be protected, or otherwise political differences will boil over with severe results.

Let's see, Twiter tried to let Benidict Donald completely uncensored ... that didn't work.
Then, they tried pointing out his multiple lies ... that didn't work and ended up with a siege and sack of OUR Capitol where there was hours of "violence" and insurection that threatend our electied officials lives and the very foundation of OUR Government.

So now you're threatening that if we don't let the Mango Monarch run amouck there will be more violence?

Good one!

 

[Ikari]

Or, those who are trying to use one group of 100-200 thugs to then destroy the lives of half of America's citizens, take away Constitutional rights, and take complete control of America. Try as you might and justify as you are, it just won't work. While what happened Wednesday was horrendous, what it's trying to be used to accomplish is significantly worse. Too many Americans won't allow it.

No one is trying to do that, lol. But the people who invaded Congress, killed a cop, attacked other cops, had explosives, and attempted to subvert the certification of the EC votes need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. This was nothing short of an act of seditious domestic terrorism.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Or, those who are trying to use one group of 100-200 thugs to then destroy the lives of half of America's citizens, take away Constitutional rights, and take complete control of America. Try as you might and justify as you are, it just won't work. While what happened Wednesday was horrendous, what it's trying to be used to accomplish is significantly worse. Too many Americans won't allow it.

Well, that's not what were trying to do. BUT, if we were, hypothetically speaking, we COULD. Because, even though you are 74 million strong, there's only about 300,000 of you that have the gumption or/and the ability to take up arms against us. Your poorly trained and poorly outfitted. And most importantly, short on intellect. Trust me when I say, you don't wanna try what your thinking of trying.

 

[Rawley]

Parler took off right after Donald lost the election AND began insisting the election was fraudulent. Social media sites that are set up to filter out hate speech and violent rhetoric were no longer an option for disgruntled Republicans. So, they sought out a space where they could freely spew their vitriolic swill. Parler advertised itself as just such a place. A place where "right" thinking people could share their beliefs unchecked and uncensored. This is common knowledge.

I'm sure that among the crack ho crowd it was "common knowledge"

 

[Rawley]

Well, that's not what were trying to do. BUT, if we were, hypothetically speaking, we COULD. Because, even though you are 74 million strong, there's only about 300,000 of you that have the gumption or/and the ability to take up arms against us. Your poorly trained and poorly outfitted. And most importantly, short on intellect. Trust me when I say, you don't wanna try what your thinking of trying.

A crack ho and Miss Cleo. Outstanding combination.

 

[Cameron]

I'm just warning that suppression of speech will only lead to frustration that spills over into violence. That's one of the reasons why free speech is such a protected right. When you cut off people's basic ability to express themselves, then the only recourse left to them is violence. Speech must be protected, or otherwise political differences will boil over with severe results.

I think the lesson here is actually that allowing false narratives and propaganda to spread without restraint can lead to violence. These people stormed the government before their little terrorist social network got shut down. They were willing to resort to violence before any restraints on their speech, and we've gotten to this point because their lies and conspiracy theories have become so pernicious. As to whether there will be violence in reaction to Parler, etc., yes there probably will be, but I think that's simply because these are violent people whose minds have been poisoned.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

I'm sure that among the crack ho crowd it was "common knowledge"

Taking after your cult leader I see. Making fun of people. Like a bully in the hall at elementary school. But, my mentality challenged friend, Parler DID advertise itself as a place when Republicans could come and not be censored. It's an undeniable fact... Undeniable UNLESS your a Republican.

 

[Rawley]

Taking after your cult leader I see. Making fun of people. Like a bully in the hall at elementary school. But, my mentality challenged friend, Parler DID advertise itself as a place when Republicans could come and not be censored. It's an undeniable fact... Undeniable UNLESS your a Republican.

Flaming and no support for your claims. Not a good combination. We're done.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Flaming and no support for your claims. Not a good combination. We're done.

We're done because you can't compete. When faced with reality (truth), all you can do is continue lying and throwing out the insults. It's all you know. It's all your worth.you never matured intellectually. THATS the Crux of the problem.

 

[gbg3]

Well, that's not what were trying to do. BUT, if we were, hypothetically speaking, we COULD. Because, even though you are 74 million strong, there's only about 300,000 of you that have the gumption or/and the ability to take up arms against us. Your poorly trained and poorly outfitted. And most importantly, short on intellect. Trust me when I say, you don't wanna try what your thinking of trying.

Sounds like the Dem idea of unity is off to a fantastic start, don't you think? Unity and control aren't related.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Sounds like the Dem idea of unity is off to a fantastic start, don't you think? Unity and control aren't related.

I'm not asking for unity. We can't unify with people who refuse to recognize the truth. Now I know that that's just what you think of us. But with both sides positive that they are actually the ones in the right, unity will never come IMHO.

 

[Callen]

Well, that's not what were trying to do. BUT, if we were, hypothetically speaking, we COULD. Because, even though you are 74 million strong, there's only about 300,000 of you that have the gumption or/and the ability to take up arms against us. Your poorly trained and poorly outfitted. And most importantly, short on intellect. Trust me when I say, you don't wanna try what your thinking of trying.

Trump supporters are delusional if they think that the 74 million who voted for Trump are of the same opinion as GBG3. Most Republicans are as appalled by the event of last week and they know darn well that Trump played a serious role. They do not believe the hogwash that the Dems are trying to take away all their rights and control them. That is sheer paranoia, which seems to be a hallmark of Trump supporters. Republican support for Trump is shrinking and will continue to shrink as more and more of his wrongdoings are exposed. How many conservatives watch FOX? Perhaps 3-4 Million, I'll even throw in another 4 or 5 million that only do RW wingnut sites, that is the base that is foaming at the bit. They listen to carp and buy into it buy into it hook line and sinker.

 

[phoenix2020]

Sounds like the Dem idea of unity is off to a fantastic start, don't you think? Unity and control aren't related.

As I said before, I'm not sure that many Democrats are so interested in unity after last Wednesday. For many, (a) Republicans no longer deserve it and (b) thanks to the free and fair elections in Georgia, Republicans need Democrats a lot more than Democrats need Republicans at this point.

 

[Glitch]

You still don't understand the concept of free speech. The First Amendment only protects political speech from the government....not from other people, businesses or privately owned institutions.

I don't agree with the students that prevented some conservatives speaking at their schools....but then again, the students were paying to be at that school and the conservative provocateurs were not.

So you are unable to grasp that public universities are part of the government. Why am I not surprised?

Maybe you should have actually attended one, then you might be able to tell the difference between a private university and a public university. Public universities are a sub-division of the State, and subject to the exact same constitutional restrictions and prohibitions as the State. Since when has the US Constitution or the Bill of Rights ever stopped an anti-American leftist POS from violating the law whenever it pleases them? It is very obvious that you don't give a damn, making excuses for their violent anti-American and very illegal behavior like a good leftist.

 

[mrjurrs]

I'm just warning that suppression of speech will only lead to frustration that spills over into violence. That's one of the reasons why free speech is such a protected right. When you cut off people's basic ability to express themselves, then the only recourse left to them is violence. Speech must be protected, or otherwise political differences will boil over with severe results.

You want to protect speech from private business entities? I thought R's were in favor of small government?

 

[Glitch]

I was addressing the media and social media. I did not mention universities so please refrain from your baseless insults. However now that you bring it up, I absolutely think that it is worong to prevent conservative political speech on campus. Hate speech like that of Ann Coulter is another thing altogether but any protest against even her should be free of any type of violence and if violence does occur it should be dealt with immediately.

We know your ilk too well. All speech with which you disagree is "hate speech" to leftists. Unless everyone is in lock-step with the anti-American leftist agenda, "they are the enemy" to quote your leftist leader Pelosi.

When (not if) violence occurs, the anti-American leftist filth will get a complete pass. Just like they have been with the nation-wide riots for the last 9 months. Either that, or leftist scum will put on MAGA hats and pretend conservatives are committing violence, like they did in DC.

Everyone with a brain knows that anti-American leftist filth are the violent ones in the nation, not conservatives. Leftist scum bombed various locations, killing police and civilians, after losing the 1968 election. The very same leftist filth rioted for months, killing people and destroying property after they lost the 2000 election. The very same anti-American leftist scum rioted, killing police, people and destroying property, for four years after losing the 2016 election.

So your ilk have no room to lecture anyone on violence, but then again you wouldn't be leftists without also being the biggest hypocrites on the planet. It is that hypocrisy that defines you.

 

[Moot]

So you are unable to grasp that public universities are part of the government. Why am I not surprised?

Maybe you should have actually attended one, then you might be able to tell the difference between a private university and a public university. Public universities are a sub-division of the State, and subject to the exact same constitutional restrictions and prohibitions as the State. Since when has the US Constitution or the Bill of Rights ever stopped an anti-American leftist POS from violating the law whenever it pleases them? It is very obvious that you don't give a damn, making excuses for their violent anti-American and very illegal behavior like a good leftist.

Did you get your degree from Trump University? It shows.

My point about your failure to understand the First Amendment stands.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

We know your ilk too well. All speech with which you disagree is "hate speech" to leftists. Unless everyone is in lock-step with the anti-American leftist agenda, "they are the enemy" to quote your leftist leader Pelosi.

When (not if) violence occurs, the anti-American leftist filth will get a complete pass. Just like they have been with the nation-wide riots for the last 9 months. Either that, or leftist scum will put on MAGA hats and pretend conservatives are committing violence, like they did in DC.

Everyone with a brain knows that anti-American leftist filth are the violent ones in the nation, not conservatives. Leftist scum bombed various locations, killing police and civilians, after losing the 1968 election. The very same leftist filth rioted for months, killing people and destroying property after they lost the 2000 election. The very same anti-American leftist scum rioted, killing police, people and destroying property, for four years after losing the 2016 election.

So your ilk have no room to lecture anyone on violence, but then again you wouldn't be leftists without also being the biggest hypocrites on the planet. It is that hypocrisy that defines you.

Well, Republicans can hem and haw and whinge till the cows come home. Joe's still taking the oath in 8 days. Just 8 days till we control the house, the Senate and have a democrat POTUS. So just insult us all you want. Call us violent. Call us hypocrites. Call us scum. Just keep in mind that we so called "anti-American Americans, were in control again. And for at least the next four years, your words are impotent and meaningless.