FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Health Care Polls: Opinion Gap or Information Gap?
Nobody knows what the bill does so their opinion of it isn't really that important is it?
edit: To clarify.
If I go on the radio and run ads and shows all day that claim cpwill is a baby rapist, his favorability would probably tank pretty hard. When asked whether cpwill should be in jail, I bet most would say "Yes."
That doesn't mean cpwill should be in jail or that he's a baby rapist.
As you know the propaganda war is eaged from both sides. Perhaps the anti HC side is winning because their arguements are more convincing.
FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Health Care Polls: Opinion Gap or Information Gap?
Nobody knows what the bill does so their opinion of it isn't really that important is it?
edit: To clarify.
If I go on the radio and run ads and shows all day that claim cpwill is a baby rapist, his favorability would probably tank pretty hard. When asked whether cpwill should be in jail, I bet most would say "Yes."
That doesn't mean cpwill should be in jail or that he's a baby rapist.
63% of the people listen to talk radio?
They're winning because their arguments are simpler. SOCIALISM BAD. IT'S GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER. DEATH PANELS.
Compared to having to explain a 2000 page bill. What a pre-existing condition is, what rescission is, what the bill does to prevent them, what a health care exchange is, how the subsidies work, the reason behind the tax penalty for lack of insurance, the fact that no, you wont actually go to jail if you don't have insurance, and so on and so forth.
More convincing? Most of their "arguments" are outright lies.
It will never get repealed. But, it will get improved.
It will never get repealed. But, it will get improved.
hmm see, ya'll say that, but i've never seen a good explanation for why the republicans wouldn't enact a repeal that would be both enormously popular and in line wih their policy preferences.
all lies?
my bet is it's the constant flow of 'surprises' like these
Employers have little hope that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) will help them achieve their top goals to decrease health care cost trend and improve workforce health. Indeed, most employers are convinced that health care reform will lead to increased costs and a stepped-up exodus from employer-provided retiree medical coverage, but they remain committed to their role in providing employer-based coverage — at least for now, according to the findings of a May 2010 Towers Watson survey on health care reform.
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The majority of employers anticipate that health care reform will increase their organization’s health benefit costs. Most say they plan to pass on the increase to employees (88%) or reduce health benefits and programs (74%).
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More than three in four employers (85%) believe that health care reform will reduce the number of large organizations offering employer-sponsored retiree medical benefits. And 43% of employers that currently offer retiree medical plans plan to reduce or eliminate them.
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and so forth.
I'm happy to debate actual provisions of the bill with a basis in reality. I have a lot of conservative friends with whom I do just that. But please, can we ditch this idea that opinion polls automatically reflect reality?
They're winning because their arguments are simpler. SOCIALISM BAD. IT'S GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER. DEATH PANELS.
Compared to having to explain a 2000 page bill. What a pre-existing condition is, what rescission is, what the bill does to prevent them, what a health care exchange is, how the subsidies work, the reason behind the tax penalty for lack of insurance, the fact that no, you wont actually go to jail if you don't have insurance, and so on and so forth.
More convincing? Most of their "arguments" are outright lies.
Cost:
* $940 billion over ten years.
Deficit:
*
Would reduce the deficit by $143 billion over the first ten years. That is an updated CBO estimate. Their first preliminary estimate said it would reduce the deficit by $130 billion over ten years. Would reduce the deficit by $1.2 trillion dollars in the second ten years.
That's over ten years. 94 billion a year.
No, it's over 6 years.
The first 4 years (2010-2014) involves hardly any spending. Pretty much everyone who's been paying attention has learned of this by now.
No, it's over 6 years.
The first 4 years (2010-2014) involves hardly any spending. Pretty much everyone who's been paying attention has learned of this by now.
yeah, and that's not counting the additional $115Bn in administrative costs, and the fact that the 'medicare savings' has already been repealed (remember when they passed the 'doc fix'?). nor is it scoring the taxes dynamically.
anyone who claims this thing is going to reduce the deficit is either A) amazingly uninformed B) desperate to have reality shape itself to their preferences or C) lying.
Well, your boys should have given us a better plan when they had the chance.
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