Suddenly trump wants to improve Obamacare?

[justabubba]

tRump will improve Obamacare just as he would social security

 

[Jay59]

Why do you people keep lying about this?

The liars are the ones you listen to.

It is not a jumbled mess,

It was and mostly still is after years of trying to fix the bad parts.

and it has become very popular once people looked past your right wing masters lies.

So propaganda tells us but it does not stand up to close inspection.

People like the general idea but detest the way the idea was implemented. Your sources leave out the second part.

tRump will improve Obamacare just as he would social security

The plan was repeal-and-replace.

 

[justabubba]

The liars are the ones you listen to.


It was and mostly still is after years of trying to fix the bad parts.


So propaganda tells us but it does not stand up to close inspection.

People like the general idea but detest the way the idea was implemented. Your sources leave out the second part.


The plan was repeal-and-replace.

show me his plan

i've been intending read it

 

[StarvedForChange]

Trump appears to drop plans to kill Obamacare in typo-riddled post

Former President Donald Trump furiously defended his health care policy in a typo-ridden rant posted to his Truth Social platform Tuesday.Among other things, Trump appeared to disavow the idea that he and the Republican Party would repeal the Affordable Care Act, which was a massive point of...

flip.it

Yeah. No, he doesn't. He was making the same promise before he was elected in 2016 and all he and his Republican co-conspirators did was try to repeal the ACA with nothing to replace it. The result would have left millions without healthcare.

Fool me once... you know the rest!

 

[BabaVoss]

The plan was repeal-and-replace.

There a never a replacement plan. 'Wayyyy better, wayyy cheaper, and very quickly. In a couple of weeks.' Much promised, but like usual, Trump was lying. He had no plan.

 

[pocket aces]

The liars are the ones you listen to.


It was and mostly still is after years of trying to fix the bad parts.


So propaganda tells us but it does not stand up to close inspection.

People like the general idea but detest the way the idea was implemented. Your sources leave out the second part.


The plan was repeal-and-replace.

Nothing but right wing lies.

 

[Utility Man]

You know what solves it? When the economy crashes, when the country goes to total hell and everything is a disaster, then you'll have a, you know, you'll have riots to go back to where we used to be when we were great.

The American dream.

 

[Threegoofs]

show me his plan

i've been intending read it

He’ll have it two weeks.

 

[Buckeyes85]

The liars are the ones you listen to.


It was and mostly still is after years of trying to fix the bad parts.


So propaganda tells us but it does not stand up to close inspection.

People like the general idea but detest the way the idea was implemented. Your sources leave out the second part.


The plan was repeal-and-replace.

When you reference "people" who supposedly detest the implementation of the ACA- you mean conservatives?

Do you need a checklist of all the advancements made by our country that were, at the time, detested by conservatives?

 

[Jay59]

When you reference "people" who supposedly detest the implementation of the ACA- you mean conservatives?

I mean rational people who have open minds and access to information.

It's my default setting. Unfortunately, it leaves out 90% of the posters here.

Do you need a checklist of all the advancements made by our country that were, at the time, detested by conservatives?

ACA will not be on the list.

Why do you keep treating me like I'm conservative? They think I'm too liberal.

 

[Greenbeard]

ACA will not be on the list.

It’s already on the list. Highly successful, functionally indispensable, broadly popular, politically unassailable, maligned by deranged righties for over a decade.

 

[Jay59]

It’s already on the list.

Not on any reasonable list.

Highly successful, functionally indispensable, broadly popular, politically unassailable, maligned by deranged righties for over a decade.

Highly dysfunctional, politically divisive, not particularly popular, and a bureaucratic nightmare. Try using defensible facts on occasion.

We were better off 20 years ago. Leave the Medicare parts in place, dismantle the state exchanges and government plan, and reallocate the agency resources.

 

[ataraxia]

tRump will improve Obamacare just as he would social security

You know I heard once that one way to fix someone's sore throat is to just slice it out. Problem solved.

That's how kinda how Trump plans to fix Obamacare and SS.

 

[pocket aces]

Not on any reasonable list.


Highly dysfunctional, politically divisive, not particularly popular, and a bureaucratic nightmare. Try using defensible facts on occasion.

We were better off 20 years ago. Leave the Medicare parts in place, dismantle the state exchanges and government plan, and reallocate the agency resources.

More lies.

 

[Jay59]

More lies.

Is this guy lying?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Trump appears to drop plans to kill Obamacare in typo-riddled post

Former President Donald Trump furiously defended his health care policy in a typo-ridden rant posted to his Truth Social platform Tuesday.Among other things, Trump appeared to disavow the idea that he and the Republican Party would repeal the Affordable Care Act, which was a massive point of...

flip.it

He should have done something about the monstrosity, Big Pharma loving legislation when he was President.
He didn't.
Obamacare is the Republicans version of what Abortion is for the Democrats. - Neither has any intention of fixing anything to their go to topic to rally voters.

 

[pocket aces]

Is this guy lying?

Yes.

 

[Greenbeard]

Is this guy lying?

Almost certainly. (Not least because it's a TikTok specifically framed as a propaganda for young people who don't know any better.)

Taking the story at face value, he says he worked in company of 300,000 employees, which means there's a roughly 100% chance he was in a self-funded employer plan. Plan cancellations were a phenomenon of the fully-insured individual and small group markets.

 

[Greenbeard]

Obamacare is the Republicans version of what Abortion is for the Democrats. - Neither has any intention of fixing anything to their go to topic to rally voters.

Here on Planet Earth:

Five Things to Know about the Renewal of Extra Affordable Care Act Subsidies in the Inflation Reduction Act | KFF

As part of the Inflation Reduction Act, the Senate recently passed a three-year extension (through 2025) of enhanced subsidies for people buying their own health coverage on the Affordable Care Act Marketplaces. The enhanced subsidies increase the amount of financial help available to those...

www.kff.org

Biden administration finalizes Obamacare 'family glitch' fix

The Biden administration on Tuesday finalized a rule it said would fix the so-called family glitch in the Affordable Care Act that priced many people out of health insurance and would help over a million Americans.

www.reuters.com

An overhaul for Medicare's pay transformation program

The Biden administration is trying to jump start a Medicare program that pays health providers based on patient outcomes rather than by how many services they perform.

www.axios.com

Numbers Don’t Lie. Biden Kept His Promise on Improving Obamacare. - KFF Health News

KHN has teamed up with our partners at PolitiFact to monitor 100 key promises made by Joe Biden during the 2020 presidential campaign — including those surrounding the Affordable Care Act.

khn.org

U.S. Makes Initial Offers in Medicare Drug Price Negotiations

The offers amount to a starting gun in the price talks between the federal government and the makers of 10 prescription drugs that have been selected for negotiations.

www.nytimes.com

If You’re on Medicare, You Could Save Money on Drugs This Year

Federal law set caps on some spending for seniors who are enrolled in Part D prescription drug plans. Those paying for high-cost medicines will benefit.

www.nytimes.com

Biden’s FTC Has Blocked 4 Hospital Mergers and Is Poised to Thwart More Consolidation Attempts - KFF Health News

The president has directed the Federal Trade Commission to carefully consider health industry mergers that may stymie competition and drive up prices. The new Democratic majority appears eager to look beyond traditional hospital consolidations to deals that involve products, services, or staffing.

khn.org

 

[ataraxia]

Is this guy lying?

Yes of course.

$185/mo with a $1000 deductible? For a family of 5? Yeah OK sure buddy.

What's most interesting is his ability to keep a straight face through all that.

 

[ataraxia]

Obamacare is the Republicans version of what Abortion is for the Democrats. - Neither has any intention of fixing anything to their go to topic to rally voters.

Do these Trump voters know that?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Do these Trump voters know that?

You realize I could play tit for tat and link stories that show the underside of ACA - right? You know that... right?

White noise. The plan raised the cost of healthcare insurance for everyone. Raised deductibles for everyone.
If you are dirt poor. Obamacare is awesome. If you have pre-existing serious illnesses - it is good for you.
Everyone else - it sucks. Pay more - get less.
It also made a deal with Big Pharma allowing them to maintain their high prices in America. You do know this is why the same medicines cost more here than anywhere else in the world? Right?
I am not saying it should be ended. What I am saying is it needs a TON of work, but sense it is gold for insurance elites and Big Pharma - nothing is going to change.

 

[Greenbeard]

Yes of course.

$185/mo with a $1000 deductible? For a family of 5? Yeah OK sure buddy.

What's most interesting is his ability to keep a straight face through all that.

If we want to be charitable and assume this whole thing isn't entirely fabricated, then it's another case of a guy not understanding that his contribution to an employer-based plan is not the full premium.

In 2014 (when this story presumably takes place), the average full premium for a family plan at a large employer was ~$1,440/month. The average employee contributed 27% of that, or about $390/month. In this story, the guy is contributing closer to 10% of that premium. He moseys over to peek at the marketplace and sees an equivalent plan that's almost 20% cheaper than his comparator, but it looks a lot more expensive because obviously comparing the full premium of one plan vs. 10% of the premium of another more expensive plan makes the latter look cheaper.

 

[Jay59]

Yes of course. $185/mo with a $1000 deductible? For a family of 5? Yeah OK sure buddy.

What's most interesting is his ability to keep a straight face through all that.

Do you know the type of person who assumes others are lying?

If we want to be charitable and assume this whole thing isn't entirely fabricated, then it's another case of a guy not understanding that his contribution to an employer-based plan is not the full premium.

In 2014 (when this story presumably takes place), the average full premium for a family plan at a large employer was ~$1,440/month. The average employee contributed 27% of that, or about $390/month. In this story, the guy is contributing closer to 10% of that premium. He moseys over to peek at the marketplace and sees an equivalent plan that's almost 20% cheaper than his comparator, but it looks a lot more expensive because obviously comparing the full premium of one plan vs. 10% of the premium of another more expensive plan makes the latter look cheaper.

In your best-case scenario, his out-of-pocket costs go up.

It's not a best-case situation. Equivalent plans were no longer available (covered in the video).

 

[Greenbeard]

In your best-case scenario, his out-of-pocket costs go up.

It's not a best-case situation. Equivalent plans were no longer available (covered in the video).

The situation is pretty obvious. At an employer that large he was in a self-funded plan. There was no "cancellation" because there was no insurance plan being purchased from an insurer. His employer put aside funds (a small fraction of which were visibly deducted from employee paystubs) to pay employees' health expenses and paid some company an administrative fee to develop a customized benefit design, provide access to a provider network and associated negotiated rates, administer claims, etc.

Plan cancellations (of non-grandfathered fully insured plans) didn't have anything to do with self-funded employer plans. He's taking a (very rare but highly publicized 11 years ago) thing that someone may vaguely remember happened and pretending it happened in a situation where it plainly did not.