Groucho
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This is kind of depressing, although anyone who reads these boards knows its true: We often hold our political views despite the facts, and when confronted with facts that contradict those views, more often than not we believe our views even stronger.
I find that most people do tend to have their personal convictions first when discussing something, then proceed to have confirmation bias as they discuss it. It makes it hard to participate sometimes. (I am sure I am also guilty of this).
I disagree I feel that a discussion in which people are willing to challenge their preconceived notions or are quite practiced at being objective the discussion gets much further and friends are even made.
I'll believe it, I have numerous friends who are "young earth creationist". No matter how much of the overwhelming evidence I throw at them about the Earth being 4.5 billion years old they just stand their ground. It's as if it goes in one ear and out the other. That's probably exactly what happens.
I'll believe it, I have numerous friends who are "young earth creationist". No matter how much of the overwhelming evidence I throw at them about the Earth being 4.5 billion years old they just stand their ground. It's as if it goes in one ear and out the other. That's probably exactly what happens.
LOL I took a group of "young earth creationists" down the river once (whitewater rafting). Not only were they YEC, they believed that the earth is now exactly as it was when their 'god' created it. Nothing has changed, nothing ever will. I indicated the 1000 ft deep river gorge we were in and inquired about the fact that the river had cut said gorge. They said it didn't happen. The river is now exactly as it's always been. I told them that was odd since last summer we had big flood and it changed a couple rapids... was I imagining that? But, I pretty much just had to bite my tongue since what they were saying was so stupid, so ignorant beyond belief, so absolutely defiant of anything logical that it was pointless to try and reason with them.
I am involved in Christian circles, I have never once ran into this belief. Where do you live? I live in the north, so maybe its a southern thing?
They are the only ones I've ever run into too. Thank god. I just shook my head, bit my tongue, and continued taking them down the river while trying to keep the conversation off anything having to do with religion or the damn planet or universe. I actually laughed when they first said it because I thought they MUST be joking. But no, they weren't. They actually believed that dinosaur bones were planted by "the devil" to lead us astray. You'd be amazed at the different beliefs and personalities I've met over the years of taking thousands of people on trips.
My mom was a die-hard YEC. They get the 6000 y/o idea from the begets in the Bible. Finally I introduced her to the Greenland ice cores, which prove beyond any shadow of doubt that the Earth is at least 750k years old. After that, slowly, she turned loose of the whole "Bible is infallible" BS.I'll believe it, I have numerous friends who are "young earth creationist". No matter how much of the overwhelming evidence I throw at them about the Earth being 4.5 billion years old they just stand their ground. It's as if it goes in one ear and out the other. That's probably exactly what happens.
My mom was a die-hard YEC. They get the 6000 y/o idea from the begets in the Bible. Finally I introduced her to the Greenland ice cores, which prove beyond any shadow of doubt that the Earth is at least 750k years old. After that, slowly, she turned loose of the whole "Bible is infallible" BS.
These young earth people are nuts. They don't seem to get the fact that science has proven time and time again the earth can not be 6000 years old.
I learned that lesson as well .... nobody KNOWS what is going on. I have my personal opinion (the bible is more/less the "truth"), but beyond that ... irrelevant.
Any scientific fact, shy of an outright denial of Jesus/God, I consider and adopt into my "view" as long as it is logical.
Example of "scientific fact" I would ignore: eggs are good for you - > 10 yrs later "eggs are bad for you"
I would also note, in that same vein, that a lot of people (myself included) don't trust scientific "fact" because the goal post seems to be constantly moving.
Well established fact, like the age of the earth, is undeniable. Nebulous concepts like "frog became monkey, but we don't know exactly how" are something I take with a grain of salt and withhold forming a strong opinion on.
Science was place d here by the devil.:mrgreen:
Friends are made but when do you see someone who is dogmatically insistent on a particular ideology actually change what they say or believe in?.. Meaning they change their entire perspective. The truth is it rarely happens. Which is what I was saying.
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