The Violence Prevention Research Program (VPRP) at UC Davis and the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health conducted a study about the impact California's gun control laws have had on homicide and suicide rates over the last 10 years. And guess what? Researchers found that the Golden State's gun control laws had absolutely no impact. And, even more surprising, the study's lead researcher found that the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) is severely flawed.
Gun rights advocates have long said there is an issue with NICS. If we, as gun owners, have to submit to a background check then the system needs to be whole. Having a system with a quarter of the convictions is useless. Why even have the background check system to begin with?
That's why both the National Rifle Association (NRA) and the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) have long advocated for Fix NICS, which would require agencies to submit 100 percent of their convictions every six months.
This backs up what many of us have been saying for quite a while
The rated, respected academics say exactly what many of us have been saying: We need to strengthen and fix the NICS by making sure the data it uses is as accurate and complete as possible. Notice the emphasis on the failure to ensure prohibited persons get reported to the system.
as long as the Justice Department doesn't bother to prosecute those who commit perjury on the Form 4473, (meaning those denied at a dealer are free to find other sources of guns since they aren't incarcerated) the entire process is pretty much nothing more than pissing up a rope
This is a familiar lament, of course rather baseless as many states have laws against that and the 'gun' rubbers have no clue what follow up is done at the state level. (odd don't you think that this current DOJ can find manpower and resources to go after child border crossers but not criminals)
But true rope pissing is being done at the FFL level. When an FFL can go a decade without an inspection, can't be re-inspected without a subpoena, takes years to prosecute, and the average penalty is a fine, name change and a different family member now runs the shop.... :doh
Course what seems criminal to me are the many firearm owners who don't properly secure their firearms and the stolen weapons are used in crimes. Oh and let's not forget the children killed when one of them finds the pistol in the nightstand, headboard, under the pillow...
Yeah a whole lot of rope pissing being done...eace
as long as the Justice Department doesn't bother to prosecute those who commit perjury on the Form 4473, (meaning those denied at a dealer are free to find other sources of guns since they aren't incarcerated) the entire process is pretty much nothing more than pissing up a rope
I found the fact that only about 25% of qualifying offenses got put into the system disturbing. Think of the Dr just shot by her estranged boy friend who had a restraining order against him; why was he still in possession of a gun?
sounds like another case of you feeling a need to try to contradict or respond to what I said and while you wrote a bunch of words, none of them are contradictory-let alone responsive-to my point
passing laws designed to harass gun owners seems to be more important to some than actually enforcing laws that only harm real criminals
This is a familiar lament, of course rather baseless as many states have laws against that and the 'gun' rubbers have no clue what follow up is done at the state level. (odd don't you think that this current DOJ can find manpower and resources to go after child border crossers but not criminals)
But true rope pissing is being done at the FFL level. When an FFL can go a decade without an inspection, can't be re-inspected without a subpoena, takes years to prosecute, and the average penalty is a fine, name change and a different family member now runs the shop.... :doh
Course what seems criminal to me are the many firearm owners who don't properly secure their firearms and the stolen weapons are used in crimes. Oh and let's not forget the children killed when one of them finds the pistol in the nightstand, headboard, under the pillow...
Yeah a whole lot of rope pissing being done...eace
To be fair you think 90% of firearm laws 'harass' firearm owners. But you don't see actually enforcing laws to keep FFLs from violating federal law as very important...eace
Sounds like you do the usual TD duck and dodge with a runny excretion of rambling rhetoric.
You have ZERO idea if the rejections are in fact felons or simple mistakes, you have ZERO idea if the state courts go after felons for outstanding warrants/parole violations if nothing else, and the biggest travesty to keeping FFL firearms out of felons hands is completely ignored. FFL holders have little to fear from the ATF, they MAY be inspected once a decade, can't be re-inspected without a court order, seldom face more than a modest fine after years of court while still operating, just change their name and drive on... :roll:
But it is interesting the current DOJ can go after immigrant children as a threat to national security but not the felons applying for firearms- almost seems like someone doesn't want the feds investigating firearm sales- imagine that....eace
The rated, respected academics say exactly what many of us have been saying: We need to strengthen and fix the NICS by making sure the data it uses is as accurate and complete as possible. Notice the emphasis on the failure to ensure prohibited persons get reported to the system.
Gun control is like a boat...the 2nd amendment is like a big hole in it
Half measure gun laws are like people bailing water.
Gun control will never float until the hole is plugged.
Gun control is like a boat...the 2nd amendment is like a big hole in it
Half measure gun laws are like people bailing water.
Gun control will never float until the hole is plugged.
To be fair you think 90% of firearm laws 'harass' firearm owners. But you don't see actually enforcing laws to keep FFLs from violating federal law as very important...eace
https://www.bradenton.com/news/local/crime/article222713420.htmlOriginally Posted by notquiteright
Course what seems criminal to me are the many firearm owners who don't properly secure their firearms and the stolen weapons are used in crimes. Oh and let's not forget the children killed when one of them finds the pistol in the nightstand, headboard, under the pillow...
Then take a deep breath and hold it and stick your head in the hole.Gun control is like a boat...the 2nd amendment is like a big hole in it
Half measure gun laws are like people bailing water.
Gun control will never float until the hole is plugged.
That's the problem,he and his type don't think or have any self dialog they just say the first thing that they think of. Your right about the FLL's not wanting to violate laws and put their lively hoods on the line(assuming that FFL isn't a sideline) and time and money. I can't recall any FFL holder with a legally owned sub machine holding up a 7-11 or bank for that matter. You?=Maidenrules29;1069405553]How many FFL’s do you really think are willing to violate the law and thus lose the federal license that they worked so hard to get and maintain?
I have no problem with having a UBC system, as long as it is kept affordable, under $5. My biggest opposition is anti rights localities will put in place a high fee to access the system as a way to prohibit many citizens from exercising their rights.
We disagree on what is and isn't acceptable forms of gun controlthat's why you don't open that door in the first place
We disagree on what is and isn't acceptable forms of gun control
making someone pay a dealer to do a background check so that someone can lend a relative a shotgun for hunting on his farm is not acceptable. Its stupid harassment
In Colorado you can loan a gun to someone "while hunting" without a background check. If they have a license to hunt everywhere they possess the gun, and since you can't get a license to hunt in your neighborhood, nor does it allow hunting within fifty feet of the centerline of a road, it means that by the letter of the law that you either need to travel to the actual Game Management Unit and hand it to them every morning, or you can pay the $40 or so for the background check. And then pass one to get your own gun back.
Also, you can loan or give a gun to a close family member without a background check, but if you sell it to them, they need a background check.
Nah, these laws make great "common sense".
How many FFL’s do you really think are willing to violate the law and thus lose the federal license that they worked so hard to get and maintain?
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