Straight up, should we fund the wall? (1 Viewer)

[AGENT J]

A wall will more than "slightly inconvenience" illegal aliens.

But that's not all we need for border security. Trump has listed more that we need to do along with a wall. Taken together, we'll save a LOT of the money that we spend dealing with them once they get into the country.

Any facts and actual reputable agreed upon studies and provable results that support this claim and make it true?

 

[Moderate Right]

It seems trump says he will not sign an immigration bill that does not give the money for his wall. So, do we fund a wall and why for or against the wall?

We need to stop illegal immigration. At first I thought the wall would probably be a big waste of money because it probably wouldn't stop illegal immigration very much but Democrats have convinced me that I was wrong. They are so steadfastly against it that they must be terrified that it will work. That's enough to change my mind into thinking that it will work far better than I originally thought. Fund the wall completely.

 

[Mycroft]

Any facts and actual reputable agreed upon studies and provable results that support this claim and make it true?

Sure.

$11 billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.

Illegal households only pay about one-third the amount of federal taxes that non-illegal households pay.

Illegal households create a net fiscal deficit at the federal level of more than $10 billion a year. If given amnesty, this number could grow to more than $29 billion.

$1.9 billion dollars a year is spent on food-assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

$1.6 billion is spent on the federal prison and court system for illegal aliens.

$2.5 billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

About 21 percent of the population of U.S. prisons is classified as “noncitizens” from Mexico, Colombia, Cuba and the Dominican Republic. About 5 percent is listed as “unknown.”

https://personalliberty.com/how-much-do-illegal-immigrants-really-cost-the-united-states/

And that was in 2009.

Add that up and that savings would pay for the wall by itself.

 

[holbritter]

It seems trump says he will not sign an immigration bill that does not give the money for his wall. So, do we fund a wall and why for or against the wall?

Straight up, yes we should. Something has got to be done about the influx of illegal immigrants crossing by the thousands. It's just too much.

 

[AGENT J]

Sure.



And that was in 2009.

Add that up and that savings would pay for the wall by itself.

???
Ill ask question again, lease try to answer this time:

Any fact andactual reputable agreed upon studies and provable results that support this claim and make it true?
Nothing you posted above does that LMAO

 

[beefheart]

Its a boondoggle, have any of you actually crossed the US border? Its long, its vast, and no wall is going to stop people. Spend the money on something worthwhile.

 

[Mycroft]

???
Ill ask question again, lease try to answer this time:

Any fact andactual reputable agreed upon studies and provable results that support this claim and make it true?
Nothing you posted above does that LMAO

I guess you don't like facts and numbers. :shrug:

 

[AGENT J]

I guess you don't like facts and numbers. :shrug:

LMAO thats what I thought!
you didnt provide one fact and number that makes your claim true, not one :lamo

you might as well said immigration costs money . . yep thats a fact but it doesnt make your claim true.

all ask you AGAIN:
Any facts, actual reputable agreed upon studies and provable results that support this claim and make it true? When can provide those please let us know, thanks!

 

[jaeger19]

Yes we should fund the wall. Walls keep people out that's why we put them on things like houses and Banks. If we fund the wall American tax dollars won't have to go to as many holding areas for illegal aliens less money will be spent having to prosecute them and less money will be spent deporting them and fewer families will have to be broken up while parents are prosecuted.

It's hard to find an argument against it.

Actually we put walls on banks not to deter people.. because they don't.. but to give an illusion of security, so people feel safe depositing their money in a bank. Its called security theater.. the same thing with walls around houses.. its an illusion of security.

there is no logical argument for a wall.

Most illegal immigration happens when people come here LEGALLY.. and then simply stay.. because we don't enforce the laws on employers. that's the key.. enforce the law on employers (as someone already pointed out)... but that isn;t going to happen because we are talking industries like HOTELS, and restaurants, and construction and meat packing and those rich employers that are making bank paying lower wages.

 

[jaeger19]

We need to stop illegal immigration. At first I thought the wall would probably be a big waste of money because it probably wouldn't stop illegal immigration very much but Democrats have convinced me that I was wrong. They are so steadfastly against it that they must be terrified that it will work. That's enough to change my mind into thinking that it will work far better than I originally thought. Fund the wall completely.

Using that premise then.. you must think the earth is flat.. since democrats have fought against Flat earth theory being taught in schools..... Just sayin.

 

[Nap]

No, it is a waste of money. It might reduce the numbers of illegals coming over by a bit but not enough to make up for the expense. At the same time I don’t think it is the end of the world if it is built. If by some chance it works, great. If it doesn’t work then that is a waste of money the Republicans can be blamed for for years to come.

I agree on it largely being a waste of money. I think rather than going after the illegal aliens we should be going after those that rent to/hire them. Take away the incentive and you solve the problem.

There is a humanitarian argument for the need of a wall though. If it were to discourage those that would otherwise make the journey to the border, then it would prevent needless death and rape that occurs frequently to those who make that trip.

 

[Mycroft]

LMAO thats what I thought!
you didnt provide one fact and number that makes your claim true, not one :lamo

you might as well said immigration costs money . . yep thats a fact but it doesnt make your claim true.

all ask you AGAIN:
Any facts, actual reputable agreed upon studies and provable results that support this claim and make it true? When can provide those please let us know, thanks!

Illegal immigration costs money. Taxpayer money. I provided the numbers.

 

[AGENT J]

Illegal immigration costs money. Taxpayer money. I provided the numbers.

LMAO yet nothing you posted makes your claim true. wheres the proven factual savings and impact from the wall?
all ask you AGAIN:
Any facts, actual reputable agreed upon studies and provable results that support this claim and make it true? DO you even have ONE?

When can provide those please let us know, thanks!

 

[independentusa]

yes

now...on the left you will get definitive noes

and their rationale will be numerous reasons...some of it even valid

but the biggest reason why they cant abide the wall being built...it would be a WIN for Trump...and we cant have that now, can we?

It would be a very expensive win for us that are paying the bills. 25 billion and for what? We can't even cover the whole way with mountains and even an Native American reservation.

 

[independentusa]

Straight up...yes, we (Congress) should fund a wall. We MUST get a handle on the influx of illegal border crossers and this is the best way to do so.

Furthermore, we (Congress) should enact ways to extract money from Mexico to compensate us for the wall.

Now...will we (Congress) do this? I have my doubts. For various reasons (all personal money-related reasons), Congressmen think they are better off not funding the wall.

Will it do as you say. Many people say it won't, but will be a 25 billion dollar boondoggle?

 

[independentusa]

If I may ask, why? Let us put aside the fact that it is Trump who is doing it for a moment. Why is a border wall a bad thing?

Because the money would be better spent on other and better means of securing our border. First we can't really build it form coast to coast as there are too many obstacles. Not only mountains and ravines, etc, but a Native American reservation that is on both sides of the border. I don't think they are going to let you build and cut their reservation in Two.

 

[Mycroft]

Will it do as you say. Many people say it won't, but will be a 25 billion dollar boondoggle?

I believe it will...along with other measures that Trump has proposed.

 

[independentusa]

Put up a wall and we won't have the cost of those children because their parents and smugglers won't be bringing them across the border illegally.

You do realize that most of those people were turned away from ports of entry where they could have legally applied for asylum on apparent orders from Sessions. This forced them to try and cross illegally, they actually turned themselves in after crossing. Another fact is that more people are leaving this country for Mexico than are crossing the border according to Politifact. So the idea that we are being flooded by illegals is just another trump lie.

 

[AGENT J]

I believe it will...along with other measures that Trump has proposed.

believe? im sure you do but you have ZERO factual, accurate, supportable, reality based or logical proof of such a claim.

 

[Mycroft]

You do realize that most of those people were turned away from ports of entry where they could have legally applied for asylum on apparent orders from Sessions. This forced them to try and cross illegally, they actually turned themselves in after crossing. Another fact is that more people are leaving this country for Mexico than are crossing the border according to Politifact. So the idea that we are being flooded by illegals is just another trump lie.

They were turned away because of other issues. But the fact remains that choosing to go the illegal route because they were turned away does not excuse them for breaking our laws. Furthermore, those asylum seekers aren't the only ones illegally crossing the border. A wall will reduce ALL of them.

 

[Mycroft]

believe? im sure you do but you have ZERO factual, accurate, supportable, reality based or logical proof of such a claim.

I'm thinking a mother with a 2 year old child will have a hard time getting over a 30 foot wall, don't you?

 

[eohrnberger]

Not only fund it, built it.
Make it as impassable as possible, as is practical, reasonable and cost effective.

 

[vegas giants]

I'm thinking a mother with a 2 year old child will have a hard time getting over a 30 foot wall, don't you?

30 foot......that was funny

 

[AGENT J]

I'm thinking a mother with a 2 year old child will have a hard time getting over a 30 foot wall, don't you?

LMAO
how many mothers with two year olds just walk over the border now where theres not already walls and fences etc?
And will that stop them from doing somethign else?
How much will the wall initially cost?
How much will it cost annually to maintain?
how much will these "other things" you speak of initially cost?
how much will they cost annually?
how much will the wall actually stop illegals coming here percentage wise?

Like I said you have ZERO factual, accurate, supportable, reality based or logical proof of to support your claim. its all your feelings based on nothing rational. its all you guessing.
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[jnug]

I would give strong consideration to giving the idiot his idiot wall. Regardless of the fact that Mexico is NOT paying for it and regardless of its relative merits compared to other avenues for border security expenditures It just is not that big a deal relatively speaking. Other than having to secure property rights where the US Government does not have them currently, it would be cheaper than the nonsense Trump is engaged in now. I do not believe in eminent domain for something like the idiot wall. So where property owners were not willing to give up their property rights I do not believe in the wall enough to just allow Trump to take private property from owners unwilling to part with it.

However, the wall is not really that big a deal. The Steven Miller Immigration Law that he has convinced Trump they must support is a much bigger deal than the idiot wall and would be truly damaging to this country. The Wall is just the shiny object and just as the MSM helped Trump get elected by following him around with their noses stuffed up his butt constantly looking for the next shiny object up there between his cheeks, the Wall is just sound bit sized enough for the MSM to be wildly focused on it for their own purposes. The Wall is far from the biggest issue in the Legislation packages that Trump claims are those that he would support.

With the exceptions I have noted and a few others if it keeps Bozo the President occupied, I am willing to give him his wall. I would extract a cost from him for it. But I would be willing to let him have it.