Stop talking and start doing!!!!!!

[bomberfox]

Yeah yeah....my claim stands unrefuted.

Hey i like sea lions too but they dont know much about driving either.

 

[Slartibartfast]

but you are fully aware that your stance has been shown to be a proven lie

incorrect, as you are fully aware

 

[rahl]

incorrect, as you are fully aware

but you know that is a lie. You know the statement "firearms (all of them) are designed as weapons" is a proven lie.

 

[Slartibartfast]

but you know that is a lie. You know the statement "firearms (all of them) are designed as weapons" is a proven lie.

I know that you believe it is a lie, however it is not one for reasons I already mentioned.

 

[RF667799]

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Hey i like sea lions too but they dont know much about driving either.

I'm not asking any questions. I made a claim. Perhaps it bothers you that you can’t refute it, for whatever reason. But it's a fact it stands unrefuted, and your ad hominems expose weakness.

 

[rahl]

I know that you believe it is a lie,

correction, you know that it has been proven to be a lie.

however it is not one for reasons I already mentioned.

but you know it's been proven to be a lie.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

But so rare.

Yet happens.

Not considering the unlikely hood of such an event will likely be more detrimental to you.

I'm not sure what you were saying here. Perhaps you could clarify?

 

[noonereal]

Yet happens.


I'm not sure what you were saying here. Perhaps you could clarify?

Keeping a gun around is more likely to have a negative unintended consequence than is keeping it around for that one in a million chance it may be useful for self defense.

 

[Daddyo]

Most home break ins are m9n confrontational and if discovered they generally run.
The safest strategy if you think you have an intruder, turn on the light and make noise.

Agreed most criminals flee when confronted including burglars.

Wrong on the rest. The safest strategy is to GRAB YOUR GUN, announce that your are armed, have called police, and are ready to fight, and then hunker down in a "safe room". Usually your master bedroom but can be any room if caught by surprise.

By announcing that you are armed you are making noise. Turning on the lights benefits the stranger in your home and is not recommended. Outside lights are the exception.

 

[noonereal]

Agreed most criminals flee when confronted including burglars.

Wrong on the rest. The safest strategy is to GRAB YOUR GUN, announce that your are armed, have called police, and are ready to fight, and then hunker down in a "safe room". Usually your master bedroom but can be any room if caught by surprise.

By announcing that you are armed you are making noise. Turning on the lights benefits the stranger in your home and is not recommended. Outside lights are the exception.

If you have enough time to grab your gun...

The light lets the intruder find a path out and lets him know you are aware he is there. As most all intruded want to avoid the confrontation, this is best.

Your replies seem to want to set up a shoot out not look to avoid a confrontation. This is exactly how people with guns for self protection make a bad situation worse. Look to deescalate not to play Rambo.

That is why I came away from 4 confrontations unscaved.

 

[Daddyo]

We used to have broad societal consensus on lots of things.

Now we can't agree on keeping a criminal behind bars for violent crimes.

Now we can't agree if teaching kindergarten kids about sex and sexuality is appropriate.

Now we can't even agree on whether illegal immigration is bad for the country.

In the past the differences were many but there was a base that we all believed in. That is all but gone today.

 

[Daddyo]

Welp a gun isn't the only way to stop a bad guy. I do not believe for a moment that guns will be banned in the US.

What do you do to stop an armed badguy? You failed to answer.

 

[Slartibartfast]

correction, you know that it has been proven to be a lie.

but you know it's been proven to be a lie.

As you know, I am correct.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Keeping a gun around is more likely to have a negative unintended consequence than is keeping it around for that one in a million chance it may be useful for self defense.

Using a firearm for self defence is situational. There are many factors that can help in a successful use for self defence. Just having a gun though is not a surefire way to save your life.


It is not impossible to safely store dangerous objects. Many gun owners live into old age and the firearms never hurt them or anyone else.

 

[noonereal]

It is not impossible to safely store dangerous objects. Many gun owners live into old age and the firearms never hurt them or anyone else.

Most. This is true of most. Still, numbers don't lie. Overall, gun or no gun, safest is no gun.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Most. This is true of most. Still, numbers don't lie. Overall, gun or no gun, safest is no gun.

That could be said about a lot of things. It is safer to not fly in planes. It is safer not to own a knife. It is safer to live in certain countries. It is safer to not swim.

That being said, the current situation with violence ie glory killing, is not sustainable. Kids in classrooms are not safe. Something has to give.

 

[rahl]

As you know, I am correct.

But you know your statement that firearms (all of them) are designed as weapons is a proven lie.

 

[Daddyo]

#1Well, I just checked...the fence outside of my property stopped 8 trillion potential burglaries (and a dog from escaping) just in the last 10 seconds.

#2I don't discount that guns are used to prevent crime. A thousand a day? Nope. I doubt it's close to 100 a day. And, no, a gun you show someone before they do anything criminal is not stopping a crime.

#3I'm not sure why you can't wrap your head around that simple concept.... There has to be a crime for a crime to be stopped. You remind me of a sports agent trying to negotiate a raise for an outfielder who didn't play much the previous season. "He didn't have as many errors as his team mates". No kidding.

#1 Not funny

#2 Study says you are wrong as does my own experiences and those of friends, family, and customers.

#3 Again you are simply wrong. You know you are wrong but refuse to man up and accept defeat. You yourself admit that your fence stops burglaries. A crime that has yet to be commited. So don't get hypocritical now.

There are interviews with convicted
criminals for many different things. In an effort to thwart future crime officials asked actual criminals what most prevented them from selecting a target. Things such as proper lighting, clearing over growth, A FENCE, a dog, a cop neighbor, and more. The number one fear was the armed homeowner. Many admitted to being repelled by a armed homeowner. Fact not your BS.

At my last job this happened. Guy walks into the store. He ignores my greeting. UNC basketball outfit and ball cap pulled very low. I watch him very carefully. He makes one lap around the shop seemingly without looking at any of the inventory. As he came back through the door leading to the exit, I positioned myself at a low section of the counter so he could see my holstered firearm. I noticed sleeved tattoos on his arms as he exits. Maybe an hour later I see a news report of a robbery that occurred about 3 blocks away at a competitors place a week earlier. Actual video was on their website. My coworker and I watch the video. One of the assailants looks like and moves like the man that had cased our shop an hour before. So much so that my coworker makes me call the detective on the case. I call and answer questions. Finally I ask if the guy had sleeve tats. The detective immediately asks what did they look like. I hand the phone to my female coworker. She describes the tats. Within 45 minutes 2 detectives are combing thru the surveillance video in our shop.

The detective said IHO our guns being openly carried prevented a robbery today. He was 100 percent convinced that had we NOT been armed the accomplice would have entered soon after the tattoo guy and initiated the hold up. At there last robbery they robbed customers as well and pointed guns at a man holding his toddler.

So a trained Tampa Police detective with much more information and experience that myself and definitely you said our guns PREVENTED AN ARMED ROBBERY get this.......BEFORE IT HAPPENED!!!

I know you think you are right. You likely live in a much different atmosphere that we do. Maybe even a bubble. Frankly I don't have to convince you. I have been through it myself. I have felt the pain of people victimized by criminals. I have read the accounts of hundreds of crimes hundreds of murders. Seen many actual stories reported on and solved to a conviction. Including our own Seminole Heights serial killer and the Stephanie Collins abduction and murder. My ex girlfriend was terrified to the point that I had to walk her to her car after work everyday from that one.

Don't carry I don't care.Just don't pretend that your fence works and my gun doesn't.

 

[Daddyo]

LMAO... It's always fun to see the nuts bring out this study by Kleck... Tell us, why would Kleck include defensive use of firearms against animals in the study? Is a telephone survey accurate enough to make such conclusions?

Because animals can kill or seriously injured you just as a criminal can. The gun saved its owner either way.

Yes the study is accurate enough. If anything the study should be lower as people fear admitting a potential crime.

 

[Daddyo]

If you have enough time to grab your gun...

The light lets the intruder find a path out and lets him know you are aware he is there. As most all intruded want to avoid the confrontation, this is best.

Your replies seem to want to set up a shoot out not look to avoid a confrontation. This is exactly how people with guns for self protection make a bad situation worse. Look to deescalate not to play Rambo.

That is why I came away from 4 confrontations unscaved.

Actually you came away from them because of luck. At least for your 2 knife events. In both your adversary didnt attack. Had they done so things would have been much different for you IMO. One was not defendable without taking seriousaybe deadly damage. The other one, the box cutter guy, would have assumed room temperature had he not immediately complied.

Tell us the gun ones.

Grabbing your gun and announcing let him know you are there and aware. The light gives advantage to the one that doesn't know your home layout and foolish. Your voice tells them which direction is best and that's away from it. Phone police and hunker down. Hardly looking for a shootout.

Most as in the majority will run away. A few won't. You have no defense against those few without a firearm.

 

[Daddyo]

Most. This is true of most. Still, numbers don't lie. Overall, gun or no gun, safest is no gun.

But they do lie! They include suicide. They include criminally active illegal gun owners, who are magnets for violent encounters.

 

[Daddyo]

That could be said about a lot of things. It is safer to not fly in planes. It is safer not to own a knife. It is safer to live in certain countries. It is safer to not swim.

That being said, the current situation with violence ie glory killing, is not sustainable. Kids in classrooms are not safe. Something has to give.

Until you figure out how to keep the kids and my family safe, I will do it myself. You should become part of the solution and stop whining.

You task people with guns and training to protect you and yours. No reason you can't do it yourself. I guarantee there isn't a police officer alive who is more willing than me to face death to save MY kids. Most parents feel the same. Nothing stronger than someone willing to die to eliminate a threat. For my kids that how I feel.

 

[noonereal]

Actually you came away from them because of luck. At least for your 2 knife events. In both your adversary didnt attack. Had they done so things would have been much different for you IMO. One was not defendable without taking seriousaybe deadly damage. The other one, the box cutter guy, would have assumed room temperature had he not immediately complied.

Tell us the gun ones.

Grabbing your gun and announcing let him know you are there and aware. The light gives advantage to the one that doesn't know your home layout and foolish. Your voice tells them which direction is best and that's away from it. Phone police and hunker down. Hardly looking for a shootout.

Most as in the majority will run away. A few won't. You have no defense against those few without a firearm.

**** yeah, luck is how we get to be in our 60s after leading an irresponsible life.
I am not a tough guy. I dont try to be. Well, maybe a little what I was in my 20s, 30,s but mostly I was just stupid.
Let's see, I am blind in one eye because I was unlucky. Blind side punch at 4am strip club in times Square before its rebirth.
I have had my house 3 broken into and 2 cars robbed.
In your world I should be loaded for bear at all times. In my world, shit happens and you roll with it or you'll likely make it worse.

Gun, I was 21, my girlfriend 18. Sun had just gone down. We were driving down a one lane dirty road with fields of onions on both sides. Miles from a regular road.
Up ahead we noticed there was a car stopped which of course blocked the road.
As I came to a stop, a good ole boy, (would be a Trumpist today) appeared with a shotgun pointed at my head. The gun was no more than a foot away. He told he to get out of the car.
I did not say a word. I simply slammed the car into reverse. He did not shoot. I must have been going 40 mph in reverse with no way to turn around. His headlights facing mine . Finally at the crossroads of these one lane dirt roads I was able to swing my car to get him behind me so I did not have to drive backwards anymore. He and his buddy followed us till I turned into my grandma's farm. He did not pull into the driveway but simply turned around and left.

Next time I was in Brooklyn. The girl I was with was black. I walked her home. Her brother did not like that I was white. So he did what all folks do with guns, he used it to threaten me. As I always do, I said not a word no matter what he said. I simply walked backwards until I hit the corner.

 

[Slartibartfast]

But you know your statement that firearms (all of them) are designed as weapons is a proven lie.

But you know my statement that firearms (all of the) are designed as weapons is true.

 

[Rucker61]

But you know my statement that firearms (all of the) are designed as weapons is proven true.

It's meaningless.