Stop talking and start doing!!!!!!

[Daddyo]

That would be over 1,000 a day, every day (including Christmas and Easter). Strange how we seldom hear of these shootouts.

A defensive gun usage is ANY use of a firearm to prevent or end an attack.

Example Joe Blow is walking to the bus stop on his way to work. Car rolls up and 2 guys get out and walk toward Joe demanding cash. Joe pulls his licensed or unlicensed pistol and tells the robbers to split. They comply. Joe, not wanting to be late for work, never calls the FUZZ. This is the classic DGU.

Guy at the boat ramp at 4am. Walks up to one of my customers and starts up a conversation. My customer having been hospitable for several minutes tells the creepy man that he has to end the conversation and get his boat in the water. This angers the creeper who instantly begins verbal threats including racial crap. Creeper was black and boater was white. Soon it was threats to do bodily harm. My customer was forced to pull his firearm and demand to be left alone. The creeper complied. For the record my customer was in his 60's and not a violent fighting man while the creeper was a young man and large.

A handicapped ️ friend was waiting for a fellow handicapped person to pull out of a HC parking spot at his local Walmart. The car behind him began blowing his horn aggressively. My friend pointed to the spot and his HC tag in an effort to calm the man. It didn't work. The man exited his vehicle and began beating on the drivers window so hard that my friend feared it would break. Left with no choice, my friend pulled his firearm and pointed it at the crazed man. The man began screaming "shoot me shoot me" and my friend told him that the second the window shattered that is what was going to happen. The man stopped and left.

I used to sleep at my grandparents house on week days as I worked for my grandfather at his business on the same property. This was very close to a ghetto formerly known as college hill projects in Tampa. Around 11pm there was a loud knock on the door. I instantly run to my room and prepare my ruger mini 14 rifle just in case. My grandma asks who is it. No answer. Another loud knock and another who is it. The last hard knock was so hard that the windows in this bungalow styled home rattled. I positioned myself to the left of the door on my knee and racket a round into the chamber of my rifle. This makes a very loud noise very similar to a shotgun being pumped. I know this was dumb but I asked grandma to open the door. I cleared the porch and walked outside. A man was running down the street away from the home. Yet another DGU.

I have heard thousands in my career selling guns. You would be surprised how many times shots are fired and still no police are called.

If I included those DGU'S with police involvement I could type for days and still not scratch the surface.

Something as mild as lifting a shirt to show your firearm qualifies as a DGU if it ends an attack.

 

[Daddyo]

Strange how we never hear about these 1000+ shootouts a day. I don't think the CDC is wrong...I know they are.

You have the wrong definition of a DGU. See my last few posts. Now do you believe the cdc's numbers?

 

[Daddyo]

I understand and respect your point of view and even somewhat sympathize.

I am a well known business owner. While I try to watch to see if I am being followed and such there is no doubt that people know were I live. I constantly see customers while out shopping even mowing grass at the crib. So no matter how low key I live my life, folks know I make good money. They know if they get me they get lots of guns on top of the money. So I am forced to stay sharp and always maintain the means to resist. My family is also prepared and we recently added a couple dogs after being dogless for a few years after our Lola died.

Why the concern? Well you see the dozens of movies or TV shows like Gunsmoke or even first 48 and they are eat up with badguys selecting victims based on known business owner or known to have money. The following story helped form my mindset as a youth

My family, grandma, mom, aunts, etc had a family jeweler, a husband and wife couple, that would bring gold jewelry to our homes to sell it. They offered payment plans so we would see them frequently as they either came to sell of collect. One day they come to my grandparents house while we were out of school for summer. The wife was in the house with GM and the husband was in the business next door with my GF. The wife begins to tell my GM what just happened to them and why she was wearing a bandage. Here it goes........Father jeweler goes outside to feed his dogs (in a kennel). He is confronted by a man with a stocking over his head and a gun in hand. The robber demanded to go inside and be taken to the gold. The dad resisted without violence trying to keep the robber away from his wife and daughter inside the home. The robber litterally shoots him in the leg. Fearing for his life dad walks inside the home with the robber.......pause to mom. Mom is sleeping and hears the gunshot but believes it's a car backfiring and she remains in bed but out of deep sleep now.......back to dad. Dad and robber confront the daughter in the kitchen. A loud verbal exchange happens and the robber threatens to rape and kill the daughter if not taken to the gold immediately........Back to mom......Mom hears this exchange and is now aware of the robbery in progress. Mom is a crack marksman having trained for years twice a month. She's also older and suffers from leukemia and is in her words "ready to die". She's not afraid of death is what she was saying to my GM. She knows the gold is in the closet. She grabs her 357magnum revolver and waits..........Dad and robber head to the room. Robber has the gun in the dad's back. They enter the room and head to the closet. Mom steps out from behind the door and fires. She told my GM that she was forced to shoot the robber in the shoulder because he was to close to her husband and feared hitting him. She hits the robber in the shoulder. He instantly spins and fires back hitting the wife in the arm. The round deflects off her arm bone and enters her ribcage. Now away from dad, mom fires again and again and again til her revolver is empty. 1 hit to the shoulder and 5 hits to the head. 4 while the badguy was already dead and on the ground. The stocking holding his head together. Dad has a permanent limp and uses a cane. Mom survived her injuries as the bullet didn't hit anything vital probably because it hit her arm first.

The robber was the son of very good friends of the jewelers.

I learned way back then to always be prepared. My pediatrician and 3 members of his family were shot and 2 killed soon after this happened. They were at a boat ramp in Apollo Beach Florida. They helped a man caught out in the rain and he killed them for it. I can still hear my mothers anguish as she was being told the news in our home. She began screaming no no no. My dad with his hands over his face.

I will never allow myself to be in that position I swore! Been doing my best since. It can and does happen.

 

[RF667799]

I disagree. The exceptions are narrow enough that the claim stands.

Your disagreement simply makes you wrong.

Here are a thousand marbles. They are all red.
Some of them are blue.
Yes but that doesn't matter. They are all red.

 

[Rucker61]

I expect you will emphasize exceptions because it leads to your predetermined conclusion.

Presume for the sake if argument that all guns are weapons. What then? I really want to see why this distinction is so important to you.

 

[Daddyo]

Fact

The Constitution was never changed as it should have been as weapons changed.
Plus, of course, they were limited to a milita. Today's militas are a threat to government not at all what they were meant to be.
Our forefathers would never let the guns we have today in the hands of the people. Especially in the hands of the people that have most of them.
They would never support Trumpism and you damned well know it.

Fact

Show me were is says it must be muskets or must be changed as technology changes.

We do know why our founder wanted us to have guns. To resist government. Hard to do without similar arms.

We also know that the founder were very smart men. Much smarter than you or I. Think they knew technology would advance.

And the founders themselves said it was an individual right. So it's both written in the amendment itself AND in the constitutional convention writings.

You are spreading lies.

 

[Rexedgar]

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[Daddyo]

A motor vehicle is designed with attributes that suit it for transportation.

And damned if that guy with the Ford Explorer wasn't transporting himself, while parade goers were bouncing off his windshield and under his wheels.

And they are still dead. As dead as if he used an evil AR15.

 

[Daddyo]

Maybe.

Except I don't want to carry. I do take a 9mm with me wherever I go. Used to be a .45, but I started liking the idea of twice the bangs in the same package. But I don't "carry" as generally understood.

Your choice. If you did carry you of course would have had it while in the mall vs not had it that day. Definitely not for all.

You aren't out looking to strip away my right to carry. The leftists are yet only complain and do nothing to be a solution. Hell they won't even punish current laws fully.

 

[noonereal]

Fact

Show me were is says it must be muskets or must be changed as technology changes.

We do know why our founder wanted us to have guns. To resist government. Hard to do without similar arms.

We also know that the founder were very smart men. Much smarter than you or I. Think they knew technology would advance.

And the founders themselves said it was an individual right. So it's both written in the amendment itself AND in the constitutional convention writings.

You are spreading lies.

Let me help you out. The right of a weapon was to arm a militia.
Today, militias are the "bad guys."
As to intelligence, it is not likely the founders were smarter than folks like me today.

 

[noonereal]

You aren't out looking to strip away my right to carry.

I am and I am not a leftist.
Its 2022, time to live accordingly.

 

[Daddyo]

Sounds familiar. In the county next door they made a law that everyone must own a gun. The people behind that law were corrupt and white nationalist militia scum.

Florida still has higher firearm mortality than a lot of other states like California and Oregon for example. Not my state though we have had open carry here for a longtime. That has not magically made things better. The gang bangers and far right trash just do not listen to your arguments.

None of them listen to the current law either do they.

Florida suffers from around 4 or 5 leftist run shitholes that destroy the stats. Miami, St Pete, Jacksonville, for example.

Let me ask you a question. If every law abiding citizen was required to train and carry a gun do you believe this would raise, drop, or do nothing to violent crime levels?

Remember the criminals biggest fear when breaking into homes (from their own mouth no less) is the armed homeowner. A large dog is next!

 

[Daddyo]

Let me help you out. The right of a weapon was to arm a militia.
Today, militias are the "bad guys."
As to intelligence, it is not likely the founders were smarter than folks like me today.

You need to help yourself. You would be correct only if the second part after the comma said the right of the militia to keep and bears arms shall not be infringed. As even you should know it says people.

Furthur you should also know what our founders wrote during the constitutional convention. It's obvious you don't.

You ignore historical evidence and find it impossible to understand the meaning of the second amendment despite pages upon pages of writings explaining the intent of those who wrote it. Then you expect others to believe you have superior intelligence to our founders? Only a dunce would fall for that. You will have to try much harder because we ain't biting.

 

[noonereal]

You need to help yourself. You would be correct only if the second part after the comma said the right of the militia to keep and bears arms shall not be infringed. As even you should know it says people.

Furthur you should also know what our founders wrote during the constitutional convention. It's obvious you don't.

You ignore historical evidence and find it impossible to understand the meaning of the second amendment despite pages upon pages of writings explaining the intent of those who wrote it. Then you expect others to believe you have superior intelligence to our founders? Only a dunce would fall for that. You will have to try much harder because we ain't biting.

You are not accepting my posted fact because it conflicts with what you want to believe.

 

[Daddyo]

I am and I am not a leftist.
Its 2022, time to live accordingly.

I would go along with you IF it could be guaranteed that only you and yours would be hurt of killed by the criminal.

Until then no thanks.

 

[noonereal]

I would go along with you IF it could be guaranteed that only you and yours would be hurt of killed by the criminal.

Until then no thanks.

The fear in your posts is palpitable.
Nothing in life is guaranteed. I look at numbers . You are far more likely to do harm by having a gun than by not.
But of course I am educated so numbers make my decisions for me. Not emotions.

 

[Daddyo]

You are not accepting my posted fact because it conflicts with what you want to believe.

Nooooo YOU are not accepting my posted facts because it conflicts with what you want to believe. My beliefs are formed from our founders own words. Words that you have and frankly must ignore to avoid looking like an imbecile.

I say to you once again that our founders wrote of their fears and their desires when drafting the 2nd amendment. Those writings prove beyond the shadow of doubt that the 2nd amendment was an individual right.

You ignore this fact and twist the amendments text to fit your agenda. You likely suffer from a mild form of or a side symptom of, cognitive dissonance.

 

[Rucker61]

The fear in your posts is palpitable.
Nothing in life is guaranteed. I look at numbers . You are far more likely to do harm by having a gun than by not.
But of course I am educated so numbers make my decisions for me. Not emotions.

Americans on average may be more likely to do harm, but that's because the overall numbers include those who deliberately have guns to commit crimes. That's why the conclusions from those kind of studies can't be applied across the board to an individual citizen.

Kellermann found in 1993 that a gun in the home increased the risk of homicide to someone in the home, but he included both lawful and criminal possessed guns in his case group, and from just three cities.

Using the same data he also found that living alone or renting both had a significantly higher risk factor for a homicide in the home than having a gun in the home did.

Do you rent or live alone?

 

[Daddyo]

The fear in your posts is palpitable.
Nothing in life is guaranteed. I look at numbers . You are far more likely to do harm by having a gun than by not.
But of course I am educated so numbers make my decisions for me. Not emotions.

When you number is drawn what will you do?

14,000,000 to one odds to hit the lottery. My uncle won 25 years ago.

18,000 to one to be murdered per year.

253 to one to be a violent crime victim per year.

At the moment just prior to your victimization will you wish for a gun? Like will you think crap I messed up right before you die? What if you are powerless to stop someone from killing one of your kids would that bother you?

 

[Daddyo]

Americans on average may be more likely to do harm, but that's because the overall numbers include those who deliberately have guns to commit crimes. That's why the conclusions from those kind of studies can't be applied across the board to an individual citizen.

Kellermann found in 1993 that a gun in the home increased the risk of homicide to someone in the home, but he included both lawful and criminal possessed guns in his case group, and from just three cities.

Using the same data he also found that living alone or renting both had a significantly higher risk factor for a homicide in the home than having a gun in the home did.

Do you rent or live alone?

They include suicide in the study. Bogus to the core.

 

[rahl]

Incorrect

Proven correct, as you know.

 

[rahl]

I already addressed items that are not designed as weapons but can be used as a weapon in a particular moment.

Such as firearms.

Also, I don't believe my claims were destroyed and me being brigaded doesn't change that fact.

You know that they’ve been destroyed. So does everyone else lol.

 

[rahl]

Let me help you out. The right of a weapon was to arm a militia.

Nope. It specifically was and is to arm the citizenry.

Today, militias are the "bad guys."

No they aren’t.

As to intelligence, it is not likely the founders were smarter than folks like me today.

 

[noonereal]

When you number is drawn what will you do?

14,000,000 to one odds to hit the lottery. My uncle won 25 years ago.

18,000 to one to be murdered per year.

253 to one to be a violent crime victim per year.

At the moment just prior to your victimization will you wish for a gun? Like will you think crap I messed up right before you die? What if you are powerless to stop someone from killing one of your kids would that bother you?

See, same dumb post. As I have explain scores of times, your gun makes you less safe.
If I am going to victimize you I am not going to notify you in advance so you can get ready. I'll have my gun cocked and aimed before you are aware. At this point, all your gun can do is make a bad situation worse, for you.

BTW, I have faced a gun twice and a knife twice. Have you ever? No.

 

[noonereal]

Nope. It specifically was and is to arm the citizenry.

No they aren’t.

I see you too are Fox informed.