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STOP pretending about guns[W:687]

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haymarket said:
Write your own answers to your own questions and put my name on it.

Then earn the difference between a LIE and a DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
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Childish card played again.

And learn to read and understand a law before commenting. You are less likely to have to lie after the fact.

If you are presented the truth and you continue to spew falsehoods that is lying.

Tbe law lays out the militas of the United States. And you know that. Hence the tapdancing and handwaving you are doing about the very clear and very concise, cannot by any intelligent adult be misunderstood law.
 
Re: STOP pretending about guns

haymarket said:
We badly need to stop pretending that GUNS are all the same. They are not. The pistol kept by a homeowner for their family protection is a world apart from a military style weapon that is used to kill 58 people in Vegas. They are not the same and not even close so lets stop using the term GUNS as if they are all the same and what applies to one applies to all.

We badly need to stop pretending that there is any serious effort to ban all guns from American and repeal the Second Amendment. Guns are part of our history and our culture and sports like hunting and shooting are here to stay and important to lots and lots of good and decent Americans. Lots and lots of people feel more secure having a gun for protection and they should not be attacked or criticized for that. The Second Amendment is here to stay.


We badly need to stop pretending that a person who believes that certain firearms simply are not necessary for a person in our society is somebody who wants TO BAN ALL GUNS and is thereby an enemy of the Second Amendment even though they have no problem with the vast vast majority of guns that the vast vast majority of Americans own.


We badly need to stop living on the corner of Slippery Slope Street and Paranoia Place pretending that if we lift on finger to do anything to limit anything about guns or require anything of gun owners that it is just a bad Halloween costume worn by an evil doer who wants to remove every gun in America from everyone.


We badly need to stop pretending that any solution which would not have prevented the most recent gun massacre is not worthy of consideration as a component of a reasonable public debate.


We badly need to stop letting politicians avoid talking about these issues when they run for office and demand they discuss it and demand they give clear answers.


And probably the greatest of all - we need to stop listening to the leadership of the NRA as if they speak for the American people because they do not. They might speak for a small number of people who are members and follow that party line. But polls show us that even NRA members support things like universal background checks so lets stop pretending that even the NRA membership is some monolithic hive mentality group.
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hoplophobes need to stop pretending the 2nd is about sport, and hunting.




37% of the US population are not a "small number of people".

A minority of Americans own guns, but just how many is unclear | Pew Research Center




*sigh*


If you really cared about gun violence you would be speaking out against the already illegal guns and illegal killings in the inner cities. Where almost ALL of the gun crime resides.


gun kill.webp
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
37% of the US population are not a "small number of people".
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Nobody said they were. For you to put that out there is ridiculous. Here is what I said about a small number of people

And probably the greatest of all - we need to stop listening to the leadership of the NRA as if they speak for the American people because they do not. They might speak for a small number of people who are members and follow that party line. But polls show us that even NRA members support things like universal background checks so lets stop pretending that even the NRA membership is some monolithic hive mentality group.
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Next time, try and exercise a little care to get it right for a change. :roll:
 
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Aberration said:
Amending the Constitution does not require the US government.
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Technically there's a constitutional convention route, which is almost unusable. The process requires 2/3 of the states to request a convention. The Amendment must then be ratified by 3/4 of the state legislatures and/or conventions in 3/4 of the states. Here's the text (link):

Article V (Article 5 - Mode of Amendment) said:
Article V (Article 5 - Mode of Amendment)

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
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Fledermaus said:
Oh, look. Haymarket truncating the parts that hurt his gentle constitution.

Post #254 awaits.

You are wrong about your "no milita" nonsense.
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asked and answered. And that will be your answer for the next five weeks that you continue to harp and whine about something which was already answered but which you did not like.
 
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haymarket said:
asked and answered. And that will be your answer for the next five weeks that you continue to harp and whine about something which was already answered but which you did not like.
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Post number in which you answered the question?

Please don't refer to any post where you lied about the milita and/or did not answer the question.
 
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Fledermaus said:
Post number in which you answered the question?

Please don't refer to any post where you lied about the milita and/or did not answer the question.
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267

again in 349

again in 350

You got your answer. You do not like the answer. You do not agree with the answer. But you got your answer.

My offer to you still stands: in the future you write my replies to you and simply destroy them and look great doing it. You can ignore my actual answers and reign supreme fighting your own creations of your own mind.
 
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haymarket said:
267

again in 349

again in 350

You got your answer. You do not like the answer. You do not agree with the answer. But you got your answer.

My offer to you still stands: in the future you write my replies to you and simply destroy them and look great doing it. You can ignore my actual answers and reign supreme fighting your own creations of your own mind.
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Please reread the post you quoted as you obviously missed the second sentence of the two sentence post.

There is a Milita. It is still law. You intentional ignorance does not change that fact.
 
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Fledermaus said:
Please reread the post you quoted as you obviously missed the second sentence of the two sentence post.

There is a Milita. It is still law. You intentional ignorance does not change that fact.
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We have a difference of opinion based on if words on a paper that do not go beyond that page constitute existence in reality or if actual practice and usage for the last hundred years constitutes existence in reality.

But tell me, why is it important for you to claim that there is a militia?
 
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haymarket said:
We have a difference of opinion based on if words on a paper that do not go beyond that page constitute existence in reality or if actual practice and usage for the last hundred years constitutes existence in reality.

But tell me, why is it important for you to claim that there is a militia?
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There is still a Milita.

Post #254 awaits.

Please don't lie and state you have ANSWERED the question. Posts 267, 349 and 350 are obviously non-answers.
 
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Fledermaus said:
There is still a Milita.

Post #254 awaits.

Please don't lie and state you have ANSWERED the question. Posts 267, 349 and 350 are obviously non-answers.
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254 can wait at the frozen gates of hell for all I care because I have already dealt with it.

We have a difference of opinion based on if words on a paper that do not go beyond that page constitute existence in reality or if actual practice and usage for the last hundred years constitutes existence in reality.

But tell me, why is it important for you to claim that there is a militia?

Do you believe that you are in the militia today?
 
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Re: STOP pretending about guns

haymarket said:
254 can wait at the frozen gates of hell for all I care because I have already dealt with it.

We have a difference of opinion based on if words on a paper that do not go beyond that page constitute existence in reality or if actual practice and usage for the last hundred years constitutes existence in reality.

But tell me, why is it important for you to claim that there is a militia?

Do you believe that you are in the militia today?
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You "dealt" with Post #254 by lying about the existence of the Milita.

You haven't answered Post #254.

But tell me, why is it important for you to falsely claim there is no Milita?

It is a false claim after all.
 
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Fledermaus said:
You "dealt" with Post #254 by lying about the existence of the Milita.

You haven't answered Post #254.

But tell me, why is it important for you to falsely claim there is no Milita?

It is a false claim after all.
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asked and answered.

smashed and trashed.

crushed and flushed.
 
Re: STOP pretending about guns

haymarket said:
asked and answered.

smashed and trashed.

crushed and flushed.
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Asked and answered?

No.

Quit pretending you answered the question. You didn't. And lying about answering isn't the way to go about it.

Smashed and trashed?

Yes, your position on the Milita has been smashed and trashed, crushed and flushed.

We both know you haven't answered the question.


Post #254. The post Haymarket fears to the point of ritually lying about it.
 
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Fledermaus said:
STOP pretending you answered post #254.
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Why not just accept that your opinion of whether or not the US militia is still in existence is different from his. Neither of you are anyone with any standing to make a legal determination concerning it, so why flail your arms about "You haven't answered my question, waaa waaa waaaaaaaaaa!", when he did? He gave you his answer, you just don't agree with it.

The US militia may have laws supporting it on the books, but it doesn't have any actual support. Just because a law is on the books doesn't mean it isn't effectively null and void. See also : Federal marijuana laws.
 
Re: STOP pretending about guns

Critter7r said:
RIF ...

"quit incrementally INCREASING the types of guns available."
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define types. you mean new companies say making 1911 pistols?
 
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