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Capitalism relies on positive incentives. Create a better or cheaper product or service, and people will voluntarily give you their money in exchange for it. If enough people give you their money in exchange for what you are producing, you might get rich.
Socialism relies on negative incentives. People who work for the state are primarily interested in keeping their jobs. They are paid the same amount regardless of what they produce or how they produce it, because the money for their pay is taken from people coercively, via taxation.
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Capitalism relies on positive incentives. Create a better or cheaper product or service, and people will voluntarily give you their money in exchange for it. If enough people give you their money in exchange for what you are producing, you might get rich.
Socialism relies on negative incentives. People who work for the state are primarily interested in keeping their jobs. They are paid the same amount regardless of what they produce or how they produce it, because the money for their pay is taken from people coercively, via taxation.
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This argument is such a lie that the person making it has brown eyes because he is so full of " bleep"
Socialism means that the workers own and control the means of production. Socialism doesn't mean handouts.
Before you reply to me educate yourself about market socialism. Do you also understand the social democracy is different from the cow dung heap that you are shoveling to the unlearned masses?
This argument is such a lie that the person making it has brown eyes because he is so full of " bleep"
Socialism means that the workers own and control the means of production. Socialism doesn't mean handouts.
Before you reply to me educate yourself about market socialism. Do you also understand the social democracy is different from the cow dung heap that you are shoveling to the unlearned masses?
Paste any label you want in front of Socialism and the target is the same. Tweaking the Socialism label is only meant to make it more palatable.
It sounds so good, the workers own and control the means of production. The reality is that the government or government elites own and control everything.
Capitalism relies on positive incentives. Create a better or cheaper product or service, and people will voluntarily give you their money in exchange for it. If enough people give you their money in exchange for what you are producing, you might get rich.
Socialism relies on negative incentives. People who work for the state are primarily interested in keeping their jobs. They are paid the same amount regardless of what they produce or how they produce it, because the money for their pay is taken from people coercively, via taxation.
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This argument is such a lie that the person making it has brown eyes because he is so full of " bleep"
Socialism means that the workers own and control the means of production. Socialism doesn't mean handouts.
Before you reply to me educate yourself about market socialism. Do you also understand the social democracy is different from the cow dung heap that you are shoveling to the unlearned masses?
Capitalism relies on positive incentives. Create a better or cheaper product or service, and people will voluntarily give you their money in exchange for it. If enough people give you their money in exchange for what you are producing, you might get rich.
Socialism relies on negative incentives. People who work for the state are primarily interested in keeping their jobs. They are paid the same amount regardless of what they produce or how they produce it, because the money for their pay is taken from people coercively, via taxation.
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Capitalism itself isn't the problem. Unbridled Capitalism means that your person who creates something to sell is also paying slave wages in order to amass great wealth. Then this entrepreneur pays off the politicians...(just like the person who paid off the politicians before our entrepreneur ..in order to keep wages low and pay less taxes then he should. That's part of the reason why we have the greatest wealth gap in the world.
Capitalism is not evil. It's the sociopaths that make it evil. It's the governments job to keep the Asshole-sharks from eating all the fish. I'm all for someone getting wealthy but not on MY damn back and hard work.
I'm afraid you've got that wrong. In socialism, the STATE owns and controls the means of production. You described the unicorn like end results of Marxism as Marx described it. Unfortunately no nation that became socialist in order to achieve communism has ever moved past that point. Far too many have extended socialism into dictatorship/totalitarianism.
I'm afraid you've got that wrong. In socialism, the STATE owns and controls the means of production. You described the unicorn like end results of Marxism as Marx described it. Unfortunately no nation that became socialist in order to achieve communism has ever moved past that point. Far too many have extended socialism into dictatorship/totalitarianism.
Capitalism relies on positive incentives. Create a better or cheaper product or service, and people will voluntarily give you their money in exchange for it. If enough people give you their money in exchange for what you are producing, you might get rich.
Socialism relies on negative incentives. People who work for the state are primarily interested in keeping their jobs. They are paid the same amount regardless of what they produce or how they produce it, because the money for their pay is taken from people coercively, via taxation.
That's a nice sentiment and all, but the sociopaths always rise to the top under capitalism, and every single one of them has a strong economic incentive to undermine regulations that impede their amoral practices.
Socialism means that the workers own and control the means of production.
Before you reply to me educate yourself about market socialism.
And while all that took place "Regulated Capitalism" that had Made America Great was being replaced by Plutocracy and Oligarchy which is every bit as dysfunctional and a failure as the Totalitarian Dictatorships we FEAR.
Regulated capitalism describes the healthcare market in the US. The regulations allow companies to privatize profits while socializing their losses. How anyone could think this model is a "success" is beyond my comprehension.
That's a nice sentiment and all, but the sociopaths always rise to the top under capitalism,
and every single one of them has a strong economic incentive to undermine regulations that impede their amoral practices.
no they are NOT the same thing.
Which was that Socialism has NEVER existed only Totalitarian Dictatorship disguised as socialism
Why, because you don't like the healthcare system that government regulation has created?
No, socialist institutions exist in every country on the planet.
... Totalitarianism is the logical outcome in a country with no economic freedom.
The Chiapas Autonomous Region in Mexico has been doing pretty damn well as an anarchist society for nearly 30 years, and the Incans had a farmer's commune for their entire civilization for centuries before the Spaniards arrived & started butchering them all; those were just off the top of my head. Worker owned production has worked perfectly fine multiple times throughout human history.
That is only one form of socialism. You are incorrectly believing all all forms of socialism have a command economy where the government owns and controlled the means of production. This is a common myth in the US. Private control of the means of production in a market economy is just as easy to do and it is much more stable.
Socialism is not the same as Communism. Communism means that all goods are owned communally by the people who also benefit from them. Socialism is ownership by the people who are the workers. We could have a market socialist economy in the US and it would not look very different from what we have no except for a much higher standard of living because the workers would also be the owners. There are many businesses in the US where the workers are already the owners. Publix supermarkets, W.L. Gore, Davey Tree Co. and King Arthur flour are just a few of them.
The Employee Ownership 100: America's Largest Majority Employee-Owned Companies | NCEO
I'm a market socialist and a civil libertarian.
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