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Sticks and carrots, socialism and capitalism.

aociswundumho

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Rational people understand that tax dollars would be spent on programs that benefit the society, usually at a rate that exceeds the cost because of the quantity of scale and lack of a net profit being created.
If that were true, then people would be glad to pay taxes. But it's not true, which is why the state threatens you with a prison sentence if you don't pay up.

and lack of a net profit being created.
Profits created a strong incentive to produce. That's why in this pic:


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there is plenty of bread available in the upper section because bread is being sold for a profit.

In the lower section, the state is supplying bread for free.
 

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If that were true, then people would be glad to pay taxes. But it's not true, which is why the state threatens you with a prison sentence if you don't pay up.



Profits created a strong incentive to produce. That's why in this pic:


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there is plenty of bread available in the upper section because bread is being sold for a profit.

In the lower section, the state is supplying bread for free.
In modern times, industrial automation can help socialism get, more social.
 

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If that were true, then people would be glad to pay taxes. But it's not true, which is why the state threatens you with a prison sentence if you don't pay up.



Profits created a strong incentive to produce. That's why in this pic:


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there is plenty of bread available in the upper section because bread is being sold for a profit.

In the lower section, the state is supplying bread for free.
Why do you constantly bring up the idea that market socialists want the government to operate for-profit businesses? Your idea has been debunked by more than a few people but you continue this red herring. You are creating a false analogy and then claiming that progressives and market socialists support it. Logically that is known as poisoning the well.
 

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Why do you constantly bring up the idea that market socialists want the government to operate for-profit businesses?
First of all, there are no "market socialists". That term is as dumb and incoherent as "state capitalism". Both of those idiotic terms were invented by leftists in order to try to distance themselves from the catastrophically horrible results socialism has inflicted on the world.

Second, government doesn't operate "for-profit businesses." It runs agencies funded by coercive taxation. The people in the lower part of the picture don't have to pay anything for the bread, so there is no profit.
 

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First of all, there are no "market socialists". That term is as dumb and incoherent as "state capitalism". Both of those idiotic terms were invented by leftists in order to try to distance themselves from the catastrophically horrible results socialism has inflicted on the world.

Second, government doesn't operate "for-profit businesses." It runs agencies funded by coercive taxation. The people in the lower part of the picture don't have to pay anything for the bread, so there is no profit.
State Capitalism is an actual, economic phenomenon engendered by the socialism of Government as State economic actors.
 
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